CRF 250 X and R... what's the diff?

[kezzafish]

basically the question is in the title. Have a mate lookin at em. He's looking at bikes around the 3000 mark so let that tell you what year he's lookin at... around early 2000s?
Hopeing your expertise will come in here BOOM

[honda_power]

they started in 04 so for 3000 he might be able to afford a completly fucked 04 250r. wont find an x for that price

[oldguy]

Think YZF or WR, depends on what he wants to do, some goodies on trademe

[kezzafish]

ok cheers.

In that case we'll say he's looking at 04s. Forget about the price (I know i can convince him to spend more lol)

What's the difference between the '04 250 X and the R. Gear ratios the same? both 5 speed? Cams, piston, power, trip meter etc etc all info appreciated

[vr4king]

R is the Motocrosser ie no stand,no lecy leg,no trip meter etc etc etc

X is the trail version with all the frilly bits and weighs more with less power cant remember how much i was surpised when i heard how much it was

[oldguy]

the X is more you enduro / trail the R is your MX, but there are some things you can do to the X to give it a bit more bark ( power) like the R

[kezzafish]

yeeeah, cheers fellas. I'm really interested in knowing how different the internals are. He's gonna trail ride it with us and we pretty much all ride 450 MXers but he's a learner who has an old XR250 at the mo'.

I'm just trying to figure out if the X is worth the extra they seem to be asking for them and how trail rideable the R is gonna be. If the gear ratios are different or the handling characteristics ie different fork angle or something, then i'll suggest he get the X. But if the R just has more power, weighs less and doesn't have a stand, a trip meter and a headlight then we'll look at Rs for him

[noobi]

But if the R just has more power, weighs less and doesn't have a stand, a trip meter and a headlight then we'll look at Rs for him

electric start too..., i think the engines are practically the same, but the R engine is updated every year wheras the X's engne is updated every few.
the X has tamer cams and timing and pipe etc, both have 5 speed boxes, the X has softer suspension stardard.
the X 250 is about 103kg dry and the R 250 is like 93kg dry?

[IIIRII]

There must be some reason why the R needs a rebuild at or LESS than 40 hrs running ...
And the X can go mid 100's before needing one.
Doubtfull you will find one for anything near that budget

[honda_power]

There must be some reason why the R needs a rebuild at or LESS than 40 hrs running ...
And the X can go mid 100's before needing one.
Doubtfull you will find one for anything near that budget

thats horse shit mines at 80hrs with no rebuild atm, and im no nana rider

[IIIRII]

Im only repeating what we were told on saturday morning at counties honda, when we were looking at the new x and r.
Feel free to take it up with them

[noobi]

thats horse shit mines at 80hrs with no rebuild atm, and im no nana rider

do you leave it on the limiter bouncing valves for a whole day at the track?
i think just the nature of riding you do between the enduro vs the MX speaks for its self on the rebuild front
:baby:

[4stroke]

go for an r, yes it doesnt have the xtras like a lecy leg etc, but for some learning i think it would be better it would really teach him to ride harder and make him stand more vrs having an elcey start arm chair.

[Rupe]

go for an r, yes it doesnt have the xtras like a lecy leg etc, but for some learning i think it would be better it would really teach him to ride harder and make him stand more vrs having an elcey start arm chair.

Yep I'd agree mate. The x's are well, boring really.

[cheese]

Sam (booom's X) goes well, but to make it go as good as an R, he had to do an electrical mod, change the cams, change the exhaust, open the airbox up and alter the jetting to R jetting. I think that was all of it. But at the end you get a bike that is 10kg hervier with electric leg that is more expensive to buy than a R in the first place. So I'd only reccomend one if the electric start is really inportant to him. Oh and the suspension is really soft so if you mate is anything over 70kg he will find it rides like a marshmellow. If he already has an XR250, it will not be much of an upgrade. Tell him to harden up with his right leg and get an R!!! LOL

[oldguy]

does it have to be a Honda, I got my 06 RMZ for $4500 which I thought was a good price. it just had $1400 spent on top end. I was having doubts about riding an MX on trail rides, but the more time Ive spent on it, the more i love it.

John

[Rupe]

I was having doubts about riding an MX on trail rides, but the more time Ive spent on it, the more i love it.

John


Same here, loving mine at the mo.

[honda_power]

do you leave it on the limiter bouncing valves for a whole day at the track?
i think just the nature of riding you do between the enduro vs the MX speaks for its self on the rebuild front
:baby:

well everyone says i ride it like a 2 stroke. and it eats valves. pistons all good though. normally wouldnt take it that high but cant be fucked with another bill as its for sale lol


Im only repeating what we were told on saturday morning at counties honda, when we were looking at the new x and r.
Feel free to take it up with them

Sorry mate didnt mean to sound like a dick, just everyone makes out that bikes gonna blow if you take it over 30-40. you can safely get to 70-80,there will just be a small loss in power but def. not worth the price of a top end in my books

[B0000M]

differences im aware of - as an owner

flywheel on X is heavier
cam is different, x more tame
ignition maps different,pink wire mod fixes this
airbox on the x is very closed up
electric start
plush trail suspension
headlight & odometer which break the plastic surrounds of whenever you crash
i believe barkbusters are a factory item on the x
x has smaller main jet
x has longer header to help with bottom end power
x has shit exaust that is either quiet and restrictive factory or loud and shit opened up
x has tail light and coolant reservour
x has long range fuel tank and reserve
x has side stand
x has bash plate thingees on both sides
x has heavier engine casings for more knocks
x has side entry clip air filter access


mods ive done
pink wire ignition mod
opened up top of airbox
R header
FMF 496 muffler
R cam
R jetting
CR250R tripple clamps & numberboard to remove headlight, odometer & brackets without grinding or cutting up original clamps


standard, they are gutless as. possibly slower than an xr250

with the mods, goes as hard an an R, but has an electric leg, still a bit heavier.

oh, its for sale too

[kezzafish]

Awesome, cheers boom that info helps heaps, i knew there'd be stuff i hadn't thought of and the lack of a coolant reservoir is the only thing there that may be an issue for him, He gets stuck on stuff and will boil it but that'll just teach him not to get stuck hopefully lol. He wants elec start but we can talk him out of that too

Cheers everyone else for your points too, Oldguy you raise a good point about the brand thing and the crf is what he said he wanted but now that you've all helped me to decide he's gonna struggle like fuck and man up on an MXer we can look at the other brands. And my advice to him will be to first decide what type of bike (mx or trail) then to look for the best condition/ best deal regardless of brand (as long as its a jappa)

what's the price and particulars of yours Boom?

Can't wait to get him swearing and cursing and covered in shit

[carver]

i liked the X in the tight stuff, especially on the boggy stuff.
its pretty easy to ride, and it seems to save itself with ease when pushed

the modded R i rode was pretty cool too, just more full on, less forgiving, but it was on stock tires in mud

[vazza]

Read the latest DRD about the 09 250X, my mate caleb tested it out :D

[Hazza]

The differences are pretty much covered already.

Mines for sale too its an 04 crf250x its a very similar build to Boooms but still has the headlight. It has just been been rebuilt new piston, rings, gaskets and cam chain etc, new rear tyre, It goes well for what it is. Even a learner will feel like pro on it, these bikes are easy to ride.

[camchain]

Hey Kezza, I was looking at these about 3 years ago. You'd need to check my 'facts,' but peak horsepower was a lot more on the R. Was real surprised to find it was as much as 9-10 Hp (From memory of honda website specs). I'd say it's probably fair to assume the R might need more frequent rebuilds than it's trail tuned bro. Can't remember how much more bottom end/mid the X was supposed to have.

FWIW I compared power characteristics with XR400 as well. Almost same peak power as 250R but the XR put out near double the power of the 250 in the lower/mid of rev range (for a fraction of the maintenance bill too, lol). From memory the X weight was something like 12 or 14 kgs more than R?

Best your mate rides both if poss & and get what suits him. A lot might depend on his ability. Personally I quite liked the sound of Booom's crossbreed one.

[kezzafish]

out of it that this has come up again as my original post was 4 months ago! but wow it's a good thresd... heaps of helpful information and no bullshit... must've been a different kezzafish.

To the point now... Hadley still hasn't bought a new bike and his XR is under my house as it has really shit itself... I'll post pics here tomorrow 'cos it's funny. Main shaft bearing has totally disintegrated and the clutch basket has been bouncing around willy nilly breaking all the shock absorbing springs and scattering them around the gearbox...

I really need to convince him it's not worth fixing and re-rev him up about buying something descent.

But the daft fool is gonna spend all his money to get married instead... I'm gonna bake him this as a wedding cake... http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/93/101099493_full.jpg

[vr4king]

Fuck me that cake is awsome pitty its used............Tell him to get an R I just got one and mates got an X with a big bore etc etc etc he reckons the R is alot more agresive only thing mines got is a pipe

[sxyrx7]

i feel the x is a better first time bike. the motor last longer has e-start and a bit less power.

i cant rember the number of time i have spend wating for my mates to try and start thear r, they just dont like starting when hot

[B0000M]

the majority of the power loss can be fixed by changing the exaust and jetting to match that of an R anyway.

[cambridgedan]

R is race
X has the light lol

[B0000M]

R is race
X has the light lol

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someone with too much spare time could go thru the off road section and quote all the times the road guys come in and say something wrong / pointless / irrellevant to the topic. i reckon it would be a long thread though

[cambridgedan]

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someone with too much spare time could go thru the off road section and quote all the times the road guys come in and say something wrong / pointless / irrellevant to the topic. i reckon it would be a long thread though

hmm i dont see how it is irrelevant as the question was "CRF 250 X and R... what's the diff?"

[B0000M]

hmm i dont see how it is irrelevant as the question was "CRF 250 X and R... what's the diff?"

well, you're correct that the r is the race version and the X has a light, but thats just the tip of the iceberg as far as differences go.

most if not all the differences have allready been mentioned, but ill summarise off the top of my head

side stand - different main section of frame to accommodate this
different cases- X cases are thicker, also has starter hanging out of it
clutch cable - cable runs a different route in some year models to avoid the starter
jetting
tripple clamps
front wheel speedo drive
lights
seat
airbox
side panels
radiator overflow bottle
rear guard
rear subframe
header
muffler
fuel tank
cam
air filter
rear wheel size
gear ratios
default sprocket sizes
battery
ignition (maps etc)
odometer
suspension shock valving
tail light
fuel tap
fork guards