The Bucket List.

[koba]

Right here's the idea: (Unless its been done before)

Lets Create an index of bikes that can be used for bucket racing.

I have started roughing it out.

If we can get additions and a useful constructive blurb about each bike we can build it to quite a comprehensive list.
It could be a useful rescource to point newcomers towards so they have a better idea of what to look out for and what pros and cons come with each bike.
The more the merrier as far as opinions and contributions go so SPEAK UP!
We can debate things in the thread and when/if we reach a resonable conclusion I will edit the list.
If you dissagree with somthing on the list speak up and we can chage that too.

[koba]

The following bikes are possible buckets.
Some need more modification than others to make them competitive but all are possible starter bikes.

F5 2 stroke

Aprilia RS50
Suzuki RG50
Suzuki RMX50
Suzuki A50
Suzuki AC50
Suzuki AP50
Suzuki TR50 Street Magic
Yamaha RD50
Yamaha RZ50
Yamaha TZR50
Honda MB50
Honda MBX50
Honda MT50
Honda NS50
Derbi 50
Gas Gas 50SM


F5 4 Stroke

Honda CB100
Honda CT90
Honda XL100


F4 2 stroke

Suzuki DS80 perhaps (legality questionable)
Suzuki T90
Suzuki RV90
Suzuki A100
Suzuki AX100
Suzuki GP100
Suzuki GP125
Suzuki TC100
Suzuki TF100
Suzuki TS100
Suzuki TF125
Suzuki TS125
Suzuki T125 stinger
Suzuki GT125 (would need carberation mods to be legal)
Suzuki RGV150 (sleeved to 125cc)

Honda MB100
Honda H100
MT125 perhaps (legality questionable)
Honda NSR80

Yamaha DT100
Yamaha LS2 100
Yamaha YB100
Yamaha RS100 & 125 Yamaha
Yamaha RD125 twin
Yamaha AS3 125
Yamaha RX125
Yamaha DT125

Kawasaki AR80
Kawasaki K100
Kawasaki KV100
Kawasaki G4TR100
Kawasaki KH100
Kawasaki KH125
Kawasaki KV125



Derbi 80


F4 4 Stroke

Honda CG110
Honda CB125 (single)
Honda CB125T (Twin)
Honda CBR150
Honda TL125 (Trials version of CB125)
Honda GL145
Honda XL 125?
Honda CG125
Honda SL125
Honda CBR125
Honda CBR150

Suzuki Whats the old 2 valver that bayden has??
Suzuki GN125
Suzuki GS125
Suzuki DR125
Suzuki FXR150

Yamaha YZFR15
Yamaha YZFR125??

Donor Chassis, The following bikes are not eligible to be used but can be used for donors of frames and running gear.

Honda RS125 (GP Bike)
Yamaha TZ125 (GP Bike, Havn't seen one)

Aprilia RS250

Aluminium Beam Frame
Suzuki RGV250

Aluminium Beam Frame
Suzuki RG250

Aluminium Perimeter Frame
Honda NSR250

Aluminium Beam Frame
Honda NS250

Aluminium Perimeter Frame?
Yamaha TZR250

Aluminium Beam Frame
Kawasaki KR1 ?

Aluminium Beam Frame

Aprilia RS125

Aluminium Beam Frame
Cagiva Mito

Aluminium Beam Frame
Suzuki RGV150

Steel Perimeter frame
Suzuki RG150 (Quite heavy at 14.5kg standard frame and 5.5kg swingarm)

Steel Beam Frame

Suzuki GSXR250

Steel or Aluminium Beam Frame Depending on year
Honda CBR250 ?
Yamaha FZR250

Steel or Aluminium Beam Frame Depending on year
Yamaha FZ250?
Kawasaki ZXR250

Aluminium Beam Frame

Other Engines. These engines are available for sale new without a bike. a good addition to a donor chassis.

Loncin CBD 150 (Modified Clone of Honda GL 145)
Loncin CBD 125 (Honda laydown stepthough clone)
Loncin CBD 110 (Honda laydown stepthough clone)
Loncin AX 100

[Buckets4Me]

dose this also include the honda rs125 (just needs a different engine) f4 and f5

[DELLORTO]

you forgot "derbi" bikes!!! there the only 50cc 2 smokers winning at mt wellington

[Buckets4Me]

you forgot "derbi" bikes!!! there the only 50cc 2 smokers winning at mt wellington

they where the only bikes running at Mt Wellington all 3 of them
I know there is an Aprilla 50 on it's way soon to

[koba]

dose this also include the honda rs125 (just needs a different engine) f4 and f5

I Will add a bit on chassis donors.


you forgot "derbi" bikes!!! there the only 50cc 2 smokers winning at mt wellington

More info?

[DELLORTO]

I Will add a bit on chassis donors.



More info?

the derbi 50 and derbi 80......

[koba]

I will work on formatting and all that on the go.

I'm putting question marks on it too, clarification would be appreciated.

[nudemetalz]

You could also include "Donor engines" like my Loncin which a lot of people are using.

Also include DT125 (air-cooled) engine like Adrian (#76) is using.

Great thread though :)

[Skunk]

Suzuki TS/TF125

[koba]

Suzuki TS/TF125

Did they have a 100 version or just 125?

[nudemetalz]

Both of both

[gav]

Suzuki GP125 (would need carberation mods to be legal)
Typo? GT125 maybe?
Suzuki GS125

[koba]

Suzuki GP125 (would need carberation mods to be legal)
Typo? GT125 maybe?
Suzuki GS125

Ah! Correct you are sir!

Whats the GS 125? Aircooled 2 valve fourstroke single?

[CookMySock]

This is the sort of thing the wiki is good at. A collaborative database/document.

Steve

[DELLORTO]

Ah! Correct you are sir!

Whats the GS 125? Aircooled 2 valve fourstroke single?

yup gs125 is a 2 valve 125cc four stroke.......same motor as a gn125, drz125

[koba]

yup gs125 is a 2 valve 125cc four stroke.......same motor as a gn125, drz125

Ok, so I guess the DRZ is in too.

[Skunk]

This is the sort of thing the wiki is good at. A collaborative database/document.

Steve
You are correct. The Kiwibiker Wiki (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/) is a good place for it but not many even know it exists I think. Jim was working on it but I've never found a link to it.

[Kendog]

You are correct. The Kiwibiker Wiki (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/) is a good place for it but not many even know it exists I think. Jim was working on it but I've never found a link to it.

Can the Bucket Racing web site link to the Wiki or incorporate one?

[koba]

You are correct. The Kiwibiker Wiki (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/) is a good place for it but not many even know it exists I think. Jim was working on it but I've never found a link to it.

Researching...
I think I vaugely remember somthing about it, but yeah it is not well known, that doesn't mean its a bad idea to use it tho.

[koba]

It is a worry that I can just log in and edit it straight away with no checks or anything...

[nudemetalz]

Ah! Correct you are sir!

Whats the GS 125? Aircooled 2 valve fourstroke single?

Yes it is.
They had Katana-esque styling. Good wee motor.

[koba]

Yes it is.
They had Katana-esque styling. Good wee motor.

DR or DRZ?

Or are they the same?

The DR/DRZ prefix? DR = softer tuned?

[nudemetalz]

DR or DRZ?

Or are they the same?

The DR/DRZ prefix? DR = softer tuned?

From what I believe, the DR and DRZ has the same engine and same tune. The DRZ is just a bit more modern in the styling, suspension etc.

[boostin]

It is a worry that I can just log in and edit it straight away with no checks or anything...
Thats part of it but usually there will be more people with the correct information looking at the site, and they will correct any errors made. In Theory.

[F5 Dave]

Here's a bunch more

Suzi
TC100
RMX50
A50
AC50
AP50
RV90
T125 stinger (but I'll murder you)
T90
DS80 perhaps (legality questionable)

Kawi
KH100
KH125
KV125
G4TR100
AR80 Kawi

Yamaha
DT100
AS3 125
LS2 100
YB100
RS100 & 125 Yamaha
RD125 twin


Honda
CG110
CG125
SL125
MT125 perhaps (legality questionable)

A whole raft of twist & go scooters perhaps

There is no such thing as a Derbi 80. Not that I've ever seen or read about (except as a competition 80 Cup track only bike). You can buy aftermarket kits to turn a 50 larger. See best 2 stroke thread re legality of that. . .

[Fooman]

From what I believe, the DR and DRZ has the same engine and same tune. The DRZ is just a bit more modern in the styling, suspension etc.

DRZ - off road "competition" bike - no lights etc. The Kawasaki KLX125 is a rebadged version of the same bike. Lots of go-less-slower bits available from the US - it is popular in Junior offroad and ministock racing there.

DR - Road legal trail/farm bike - lights etc

Both have the same motor. Which is also in GN/GS/GZ/DR/DF125, LT125 (with different Gearbox - LT is a Quad). DR/DF200 bits and pieces are also compatible to some degree (e.g. head).

I also have the vague recollection that some DR versions had a 6 speed box, compared to the 5 speed on the road bikes (GN/GS/GZ). Bayden might know (this is the motor he runs) and he mentioned something about the DR and GS versions being slightly different (casings a bit shorter on one version).

Cheers,
FM

[saxet]

Ah! Correct you are sir!

Whats the GS 125? Aircooled 2 valve fourstroke single?

Suzy GS/DR125 air cooled 4 stroke.GS road bike..DR dirt bike with 6 speed box

[koba]

Awesome.
On to it stuff guys.

I will pull the Derbi 80 off for now untill someone can put a convincing argument foward that it is available as a non-competition bike.

[koba]

Have taken DRZ off, same deal as the Derbi.

I have checked Daves additions on but may have some categorised incorrectly.

I will work on ordering them more logically once the additions have settled down a bit.

I never realised just how many would be on the list!

[koba]

T125 stinger (but I'll murder you)


I'm interested by that comment!

Damn, thats a cool bike!

[F5 Dave]

Well I'm bringing one back from the dead that was stripped to race, trying to get all the road bits back on & the other one I have was left out to die in the rain by some stoopid Hippy (see my thread about stinger restoration, something like 'float like a butterfly. . . ', progress has been slow lately).
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=66922&highlight=float+butterfly

[koba]

Well I'm bringing one back from the dead that was stripped to race, trying to get all the road bits back on & the other one I have was left out to die in the rain by some stoopid Hippy (see my thread about stinger restoration, something like 'float like a butterfly. . . ', progress has been slow lately).
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=66922&highlight=float+butterfly

Ahh, right now I remember you talking about that before.
that is one very cool motorcycle.

[quallman1234]

Good thread mal.

Gas Gas 50SM.

[Sideways Sam]

I didn't see the CBR125 (available new NZ) as opposed to the CBR150 listed which is only available as a grey import.

I'd love to see a YZFR15 in there if anyone ever brings one into the country. They're injected four valve liquid cooled 150cc...........

[koba]

I didn't see the CBR125 (available new NZ) as opposed to the CBR150 listed which is only available as a grey import.

I'd love to see a YZFR15 in there if anyone ever brings one into the country. They're injected four valve liquid cooled 150cc...........

Ahh, good man they had crossed my mind but I wasn't sure.

is there also a YZFR125?

[Skunk]

Can the Bucket Racing web site link to the Wiki or incorporate one?
I think the list can be put on the Bucket Racing website. Either that or a link to the page on the KB Wiki.

[Skunk]

is there also a YZFR125?
Yep. England and India I think... could be wronga.

[nudemetalz]

Ahh, good man they had crossed my mind but I wasn't sure.

is there also a YZF R125?

The only issue is while being a stunning looking machine and l/c plus fuel injected, it's only an SOHC undersquare motor.


The R15 is the same (ish) but a 149cc.

Specs for the R15
Engine type Liquid-cooled, 4-stroke, SOHC, 4-valve
Cylinder arrangement Single cylinder
Displacement 149 .8cc
Bore x Stroke 57×58.7mm
Compression ratio 10.4:1
Maximum power 17PS / 8,500rpm
Maximum torque 15 N.m / 7,500rpm
Starting system Electric Start
Lubrication wet sump
Engine oil capacity 1.0 liters
Fuel tank capacity 12 liters
Fuel supply system Electronic fuel injection
Ignition system T.C.I
Primary / Secondary reduction ratio 3.042 / 3.000
Clutch type Constant-mesh wet multi-plate
Transmission type Return type 6-speed
Gear ratios 1st=2.833, 2nd＝1.875, 3rd:=1.364,
4th=1.143, 5th=0.957, 6th=0.84


Frame type Deltabox Frame
Caster / Trail 26° / 100mm
Tire size (Front / Rear) 80/90-17 / 100/80-17
Brake type (Front / Rear) Hydraulic, single disc (Front / Rear)
Suspension type (Front / Rear) Telescopic / Linked type Monocross
Headlight 12V35W / 35W＋35W


Overall length x width x height 1,995mm x 670mm x 1,070mm
Seat height 790mm
Wheelbase 1,290mm
Minimum ground clearance 160mm
Dry weight / Curb weight 120kg / 131kg


Personally, the 125 leaves the 150 for dead in the looks department !!
and this for interest..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDPX6E1vA8A

[Sideways Sam]

The only issue is while being a stunning looking machine and l/c plus fuel injected, it's only an SOHC undersquare motor.


Displacement 149 .8cc
Bore x Stroke 57×58.7mm
Compression ratio 10.4:1
Maximum power 17PS / 8,500rpm
Maximum torque 15 N.m / 7,500rpm

Frame type Deltabox Frame
Suspension type (Front / Rear) Telescopic / Linked type Monocross
Overall length x width x height 1,995mm x 670mm x 1,070mm
Wheelbase 1,290mm
Dry weight / Curb weight 120kg / 131kg




With that stroke it's never going to rev like the FXR but I would suspect there is plenty of room for extra HP all the same. I suspect that the HP figure is measured at the rear wheel...... As opposed to the FXR official figures which are measured at the crank and rounded up.....

The really interesting thing is the size, weight and frame design, it's considerably smaller and 20kg lighter than it's competitors. Delta Box and link rear end should equal better handling than the FXR and CBR. Couple that with the torque possible with a longer stroke and this potentially points toward great performance out of the box on kart tracks. Who knows what would happen at Ruapuna or Taupo? I suspect it would get eaten by TZ350 or Nigel Duff's 2 smokers........

There is a lot of talk from Yamaha about less transmission losses with this bike so that sounds interesting also.....

[koba]

Sigh, Might have to cave in and buy my yearly lotto ticket sometime soon.

[Sideways Sam]

LoL, out of my price range too but there are people who spend a lot more than that on their buckets............

It's made in India so you could probably land it here fairly cheap (for a new 150). Hell the Indians are making the Nano car for $3000- so how much can a small bike be?

[koba]

I did a bit of investigation buying a bike or few from south east asia a while ago and when out dollar was peaking it worked out really incredably cheap.
Sadly, I'm trying to limit us to a collective 8 bikes. That's four each. We are one over that!

[ryanf062]

a good bike for young (small) riders is the nsr 80. They are quite a rare 3/4 size bike that is extreamly quick. i won two seasons on mine in hawks bay.

[DELLORTO]

yup those nsr80 have ALOT and i mean ALOT of mods out there for them

i mean yoshi.com has a couple of pages of some sick thing you can do to them......ive love one

but for now my fxr is my beast

while we're on the hp thing my old gs125 was kicking out 9hp at the rear so a fxr would have to be putting out about 14hp

[Hazzard]

Does a CRF 150 motor qualify legally?

[Skunk]

No. Short and sweet.

[DELLORTO]

No. Short and sweet.

nope a crf150f motor is not a racing motor its air cooled low output 150 single.....

[ajturbo]

No. Short and sweet.


nope a crf150f motor is not a racing motor its air cooled low output 150 single.....

water pistols at 2 feet :girlfight:

[Yow Ling]

nope a crf150f motor is not a racing motor its air cooled low output 150 single.....

it doesnt make any difference if it is hi or lo output , single twin or triple.

rule 24-2-4 engines must de derived from non competition motorcycles.

if you feel they arent competition then buy one, if somebody disagrees they stump up $100 if they are right they get their money back, and you go look for another bike, if they wrong they loose the money. simple system for clearing up the grey areas.

if you arent running near the front nobody is likley to care

[DELLORTO]

but just for the record whats sort of "competition" does a crf150f go into??
"soap-box derby?" "motogp"??

in motorcross there no class for them.... i think your getting confused with its 20rwhp watercooled older brother

[Skunk]

The grey area of the rules. It's not a commuter bike or a farm bike so it's a competition bike unless everyone agrees it's not.

water pistols at 2 feet
I've used 500ml of water in my pistol punk. Is my tank a 500ml or 600ml? Well punk? Ask yourself - do you feel lucky?

[koba]

a good bike for young (small) riders is the nsr 80. They are quite a rare 3/4 size bike that is extreamly quick. i won two seasons on mine in hawks bay.

True, Will add.

[Skunk]

The list is up now: http://www.bucketracing.co.nz/bucketlist.php

[F5 Dave]

Yes I saw it was there when I was using the site this morning. How about that?

[Skunk]

Stunned I am...

[Buckets4Me]

I have also just seen it on the site

have now marked all said bikes as compertition bike (backet racing)
and am now fighting with the moths to get my Hunddie out and complain

then I'm going to take the trusty gn125 out and win all the races

HA hah HAHAHa haha HAHAH AHah hah

Bring on the new season
:scooter:

[Shorty_925]

DRZ - off road "competition" bike - no lights etc. The Kawasaki KLX125 is a rebadged version of the same bike. Lots of go-less-slower bits available from the US - it is popular in Junior offroad and ministock racing there.

DR - Road legal trail/farm bike - lights etc

Both have the same motor. Which is also in GN/GS/GZ/DR/DF125, LT125 (with different Gearbox - LT is a Quad). DR/DF200 bits and pieces are also compatible to some degree (e.g. head).

I also have the vague recollection that some DR versions had a 6 speed box, compared to the 5 speed on the road bikes (GN/GS/GZ). Bayden might know (this is the motor he runs) and he mentioned something about the DR and GS versions being slightly different (casings a bit shorter on one version).

Cheers,
FM

what competition class in NZ does a drz fit into..?

[Skunk]

Supermoto (and the off road classes I know nothing about).

[Shorty_925]

Supermoto (and the off road classes I know nothing about).

how many of these bikes you seen in a supermoto race..?

Suzuki class these as an introduction motorcycle(nothing about it being a competition motorcycle), surely this is what buckets are to road racing?

[Fooman]

how many of these bikes you seen in a supermoto race..?

Suzuki class these as an introduction motorcycle(nothing about it being a competition motorcycle), surely this is what buckets are to road racing?

They're run in some of the Junior Motocross classes in NZ. And that it what the bike was designed for - introduction to off-road sport/competition riding. But it is a moot point really, as it is the SAME engine in the DR, DF, GN, GS, GZ non-competition bikes. So, it isn't a competition derived engine as far as I can see, but it is used in a bike designed for competition!

Cheers,
FM

[Skunk]

what competition class in NZ does a drz fit into..?


Supermoto (and the off road classes I know nothing about).


how many of these bikes you seen in a supermoto race..? You didn't ask that. You asked what class they fit, so I answered that. :yawn:


Suzuki class these as an introduction motorcycle(nothing about it being a competition motorcycle), surely this is what buckets are to road racing?It's not a farm bike either.

What do you mean "surely this is what buckets are to road racing". If you mean Buckets are an introduction to Road Racing you would be in the enlightened minority.
< rant >
There are many who view Buckets as a distraction, or a joke, or something not needed, and should therefore be ignored - MNZ is one organisation with this attitude.
< /rant >
Buckets are a great social class and the further it's kept from competition type engines the better IMHO.

[Trudes]

What do you mean "surely this is what buckets are to road racing". If you mean Buckets are an introduction to Road Racing you would be in the enlightened minority.
< rant >
There are many who view Buckets as a distraction, or a joke, or something not needed, and should therefore be ignored - MNZ is one organisation with this attitude.
< /rant >
Buckets are a great social class and the further it's kept from competition type engines the better IMHO.

Here here!!! There's nothing competitive about some of our bikes.....or how some of us ride!!;)

[Buckets4Me]

Here here!!! There's nothing competitive about some of our bikes.....or how some of us ride!!;)

keep that to yourself my bike is very competitive
now my riding is another story :pinch:

[Shorty_925]

You didn't ask that. You asked what class they fit, so I answered that. :yawn:

It's not a farm bike either.

What do you mean "surely this is what buckets are to road racing". If you mean Buckets are an introduction to Road Racing you would be in the enlightened minority.
< rant >
There are many who view Buckets as a distraction, or a joke, or something not needed, and should therefore be ignored - MNZ is one organisation with this attitude.
< /rant >
Buckets are a great social class and the further it's kept from competition type engines the better IMHO.

TZR50 & RG50's are more competition based engines than a DRZ will ever be. Agree with everything else.

[Skunk]

RG50's were sold as a road bike. When it comes to off-road bikes that could be road registered I think you'll be getting into a grey area. This sort of thing always depends on if you want to go with the spirit of the class or push the boundaries...

Could I recommend you read "How to win friends" before deciding? :laugh:

[Shorty_925]

hahaha good read?

when your 6'5 riding/racing a bucket you tend not to worry about much other than keeping it upright and feet outa the way.

[ajturbo]

TZR50 & RG50's are more competition based engines than a DRZ will ever be. Agree with everything else.
and my mighty RG50 is putting out a whopping 7.2HP

get out of my way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Skunk]

and my mighty RG50 is putting out a whopping 7.2HP
Not with you looking after it it's not...

[F5 Dave]

No drama Skunk, 925 has been hanging around bucket racing for quite some time, had some great races with his bro & Father many years back.

I'd say a DRZ125 is as legal as a Longchin.

[Skunk]

I'd say a DRZ125 is as legal as a Longchin.
Yeah, well, I'm against them too... ferkin' four strokes.
;)

[gav]

I see the Honda TL125 is on "the list", technically speaking they are a competition machine? Just asking *cough*

Ohhh also found some photos of a road registered RS125? Guess it must be ok for buckets then? Toodle pip :rockon:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33268&d=1148785431

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33269&d=1148785431

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33270&d=1148785431

[Pumba]

Ohhh also found some photos of a road registered RS125?

Regardless of whether it is eligable whats with the C4 that has been stuffed inside the fairing in the last photos:eek5:

[Ivan]

imagine riding that on the road what a mission.

Be mint as on the Rimas tho

[Skunk]

I see the Honda TL125 is on "the list", technically speaking they are a competition machine? Just asking *cough*
I don't know. Someone got an answer?

[Kickaha]

Ohhh also found some photos of a road registered RS125? Guess it must be ok for buckets then? Toodle pip :rockon:


Road registered doesn't come into it (although I thought it used to)

What part of this don't you understand
24-2-4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles.

And there's also the fact 125 watercooled aren't eligible

But you already knew all that before you even posted

[koba]

I see the Honda TL125 is on "the list", technically speaking they are a competition machine? Just asking *cough*
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http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33270&d=1148785431


I don't know. Someone got an answer?

Up to interperetation really.
I think it is within the spirit of the rules and all that, its hardly going to set any speed records.
I'm sure no-one would have a REAL problem with one out there...

[ajturbo]

just race the fuckers... and when ya win... we'll put a stick in ya front wheel as ya go past....

problem soloved

[_STAIN_]

Some may consider it offensive that the Bucket futurity show 2 of my 3 Buckets.. questionable eligibility.

For the record.

F5. My NS1 is a 50cc Road Registable street bike.
It runs the same 6 speed water-cooled motor as My MBX 50 I raced in late 80's.
http://www.50cc-motorcycles.com/pictures/honda/mbx50-07.jpg
This model was superceded to NS50
http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~alterna/ns1.jpg
then NS1
http://www.50cc-motorcycles.com/pictures/honda/ns-1-01.jpg
The motor is also used in NSR50 equipped with 12" wheels
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Honda_NSR_50.jpg
and also MTX50 Trail Bike.
http://www.50cc-motorcycles.com/pictures/honda/mtx50-04.jpg

F4. Air-cooled Honda MT125 Elsinore Road Registable Trail Bike derived motor.

Eligible models
1974 MT125KO Engine Numbers Starting MT125E-1000001-
1975 MT125K1 Engine Numbers Starting MT125E-2000001-
1976 MT125KO Engine Numbers Starting MT125E-3000001-
http://www.apincorporated.com/bikeimages/25100702.jpg

Not to be confused with the ( Ineligible )
Factory Road Racer
1977 MT125R Engine Number Starting MT125R2E-1081-
1978 MT125R Engine Number Starting MT125R2E-1591-
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/MT125R-1.jpg
CR125M Elsinore Motocross Bike
1974 CR125M Engine Number Starting CR125ME-1000001-
1975 CR125M Engine Number Starting CR125ME-2000001-
1976 CR125M Engine Number Starting CR125ME-3000006-
1977 CR125M Engine Number Starting CR125ME-3100001-
1978 CR125M Engine Number Starting CR125ME-3200028-
1979 CR125M Engine Number Starting JE01E-2000050-
1980 CR125M Engine Number Starting JE01E-2100069-
http://www.vintagefactory.com/76CR%201.jpg

The above comments are a piss take as Malcolm and those that know me will appreciate, but the main content is factual to clear up the MT125 issue...I'm bored.

Cheers
Bryce

[koba]

Some may consider it offensive that the Bucket futurity show 2 of my 3 Buckets.. questionable eligibility.

For the record.

F5. My NS1 is a 50cc Road Registable street bike.
It runs the same 6 speed water-cooled motor as My MBX 50 I raced in late 80's.
http://www.50cc-motorcycles.com/pictures/honda/mbx50-07.jpg
This model was superceded to NS50
http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~alterna/ns1.jpg
then NS1
http://www.50cc-motorcycles.com/pictures/honda/ns-1-01.jpg
The motor is also used in NSR50 equipped with 12" wheels
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Honda_NSR_50.jpg
and also MTX50 Trail Bike.
http://www.50cc-motorcycles.com/pictures/honda/mtx50-04.jpg

F4. Air-cooled Honda MT125 Elsinore Road Registable Trail Bike derived motor.

Eligible models
1974 MT125KO Engine Numbers Starting MT125E-1000001-
1975 MT125K1 Engine Numbers Starting MT125E-2000001-
1976 MT125KO Engine Numbers Starting MT125E-3000001-
http://www.apincorporated.com/bikeimages/25100702.jpg

Not to be confused with the ( Ineligible )
Factory Road Racer
1977 MT125R Engine Number Starting MT125R2E-1081-
1978 MT125R Engine Number Starting MT125R2E-1591-
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/MT125R-1.jpg
CR125M Elsinore Motocross Bike
1974 CR125M Engine Number Starting CR125ME-1000001-
1975 CR125M Engine Number Starting CR125ME-2000001-
1976 CR125M Engine Number Starting CR125ME-3000006-
1977 CR125M Engine Number Starting CR125ME-3100001-
1978 CR125M Engine Number Starting CR125ME-3200028-
1979 CR125M Engine Number Starting JE01E-2000050-
1980 CR125M Engine Number Starting JE01E-2100069-
http://www.vintagefactory.com/76CR%201.jpg

The above comments are a piss take as Malcolm and those that know me will appreciate, but the main content is factual to clear up the MT125 issue...I'm bored.

Cheers
Bryce

Woah! At least you put a decent case foward!
I have tried to go back and edit the list, however I can't seem to.

I'm guessing there must be limitations on editing.
I will have to investigate but that can wait until later, I have two-stroke dreams to stoke...