Clarification on NZSBK website

[The Chow]

The current Ceo is apparently saying that the NZSBK website was paid for by MNZ. This is BULLSHIT. The money that paid towards the site was from sponsorship money raised by Paul Stewart.Although paid by a MNZ cheque!

MNZ have no hold over the site either in name or content. The site has gone off the air , due mainly to the fact that we came to the end of the term and also the budget ran out.It was not shut down for any other reason.

Let me make this clear:

MNZ STAFF HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SITE.IN FACT THE CEO WANTED IT NOT TO GO AHEAD LAST YEAR? I had to fight for it to get the funding , and it wasn't even their money in the first place.

How do I know this? Well I set it up and ran it. I would like to thank Lynda Blair for all her efforts on race weekends over the last two years.

The NZSBK domain is owned by Jim Tuckerman and Motorsport Network Limited.

Another rumour from Huntly which I hopefully can put to bed.

[Shaun]

Thanks Chow. I was actually told on the phone by some one important that MNZ had PAID for that site!

Must have been a mistake by the person I was talking to eh

[Wingnut]

Good on ya Mr Chow.

If it werent for they good hard working people like yourselves who genuinly seem to want this sport to continue and thrive in the current environment, we would all be lost.

[The Chow]

Good on ya Mr Chow.

If it werent for they good hard working people like yourselves who genuinly seem to want this sport to continue and thrive in the current environment, we would all be lost.

Thanks for you kind words , but hey it is a team effort and I am only part of it.

[The Chow]

Good on ya Mr Chow.

If it werent for they good hard working people like yourselves who genuinly seem to want this sport to continue and thrive in the current environment, we would all be lost.

Have been thinking about another analogy regarding what the CEO said about the website , he isn't wrong yes he signed the cheque for funding after a fight, but he didn't earn the money. Paul Stewart generated the money, just remember that.

It's like many households one partner earns the money and the other spends it.

The only reason the money even went in to the MNZ bank account was so Paul Stewart would keep everything transparent regarding the money trail.
There is no reason really other than that the money even went there.

[boomer]

I'm laughing, there's obviously a witch hunt underway, but Chow; unless you do the accounts and have been privvie to all the CEO's undertakings how do you know exactly what arrangement was/is in place between the CEO and the monies paid/owed?!

Best be sure ALL your ducks are lined up before u start shooting 'em...

ps. I don't race and have no affilitation with racers the MNZ or the CEO but washing your dirty laundry in public ???

[The Chow]

I'm laughing, there's obviously a witch hunt underway, but Chow; unless you do the accounts and have been privvie to all the CEO's undertakings how do you know exactly what arrangement was/is in place between the CEO and the monies paid/owed?!

Best be sure ALL your ducks are lined up before u start shooting 'em...

ps. I don't race and have no affilitation with racers the MNZ or the CEO but washing your dirty laundry in public ???

I was asked to comment on the site by some people who matter . People who know me know that I don't blow my own trumpet very much, so Mr Boomer please don't comment on something you no nothing about.

[The Chow]

I was asked to comment on the site by some people who matter . People who know me know that I don't blow my own trumpet very much, so Mr Boomer please don't comment on something you no nothing about.

And at least I have the balls to say something and no hide behind a key board like people like you.

[boomer]

I was asked to comment on the site by some people who matter . People who know me know that I don't blow my own trumpet very much, so Mr Boomer please don't comment on something you no nothing about.


Ok, firstly its 'know',

Secondly, you're in a Public forum and i'm able to comment as much as i.. yes I like.

Thirdly why be a voice for others, expecially when you obvioulsy dont have all the facts? being a pawn is ..well.. just that.

And lastly, wether you blow your own trumpet or not doesn't really tell me if you have all your ducks in a row; does it? i'm inclined to think you don't. and i'd bet $20 that you'll find yourself with libel charges sooner rather than later ( pawn or not )



And at least I have the balls to say something and no hide behind a key board like people like you.

i laughed at this point, resorting to name calling; any credence you may have had has long gone.

[budda]

And it would seem funny that if MNZ had the foresight to pay for the Website without the Commission Team fighting to make it happen, wouldnt you think that they'd have the initiative to put a LINK to it off the official MNZ website ? ....... tell us, how long DID it take, Ian ?

[enigma51]

KB Is hardly the place to post stuff like this up. The only thing it highlights is the state of the current MNZ. I think formula 1 has even less issues.

[The Chow]

And it would seem funny that if MNZ had the foresight to pay for the Website without the Commission Team fighting to make it happen, wouldnt you think that they'd have the initiative to put a LINK to it off the official MNZ website ? ....... tell us, how long DID it take, Ian ?

6 Months and three attempts.

[budda]

why be a voice for others, expecially when you obvioulsy dont have all the facts? being a pawn is ..well.. just that.

And lastly, wether you blow your own trumpet or not doesn't really tell me if you have all your ducks in a row; does it? i'm inclined to think you don't. and i'd bet $20 that you'll find yourself with libel charges sooner rather than later ( pawn or not )

Boomer, I, like Jim and Ian and all the rest of the Commission Team, will defend your right to your opinion, even when we disagree with it ........

Seems that YOU know a different and more correct version of the relevant facts - please, for the sake of clarity and to prevent those of us involved at the time from suffering a lifetime of self-delusion, tell us all what REALLY happened ........

And Chow, I've cellotaped a $20 to the fridge door with your name on it, that should kick off your defense fund !!!!!!!! Please do the same for me .....

[The Chow]

Boomer, I, like Jim and Ian and all the rest of the Commission Team, will defend your right to your opinion, even when we disagree with it ........

Seems that YOU know a different and more correct version of the relevant facts - please, for the sake of clarity and to prevent those of us involved at the time from suffering a lifetime of self-delusion, tell us all what REALLY happened ........

And Chow, I've cellotaped a $20 to the fridge door with your name on it, that should kick off your defense fund !!!!!!!! Please do the same for me .....

Thanks Budda have also just done the same for you .

[brads]

........

Seems that YOU know a different and more correct version of the relevant facts - please, for the sake of clarity and to prevent those of us involved at the time from suffering a lifetime of self-delusion, tell us all what REALLY happened ........

.....

They say theres two sides to every story,I would love to know also what happened.

[Shaun]

I was asked to comment on the site by some people who matter . People who know me know that I don't blow my own trumpet very much, so Mr Boomer please don't comment on something you no nothing about.


Impossible Chow-- Boomer "knows' EVERY THING:bleh:

PS BOOMER- I will take you up on your $20 bet mate

Chow Knows exactually what he is talking about-- No Rumours or speculation from him, he has worked on the out side of road racing for many many years, and I believe he has doen well with it, for ALL OF US!

[boomer]

Impossible Chow-- Boomer "knows' EVERY THING:bleh:

PS BOOMER- I will take you up on your $20 bet mate

Chow Knows exactually what he is talking about-- No Rumours or speculation from him, he has worked on the out side of road racing for many many years, and I believe he has doen well with it, for ALL OF US!

lol.. im not quite female status yet but i'm working on it..!!!

My point Shaun, and i'll use you as an example, is that rumours banded about willy nilly in public forums are, at best, not very nice. I've heard so many rumours about you shaun that would make my dead cat turn in its grave.. but i dont go plastering 'em all over the interweb... ? Maybe i should, i'll make more friends that way huh?!

As you were... im happy watching and laughing at the debacle that is NEW ZEALAND racing !!!!

ps.. i lied about the bet.. so sue me :p

[suzuki mama]

I'm laughing, there's obviously a witch hunt underway, but Chow; unless you do the accounts and have been privvie to all the CEO's undertakings how do you know exactly what arrangement was/is in place between the CEO and the monies paid/owed?!

Best be sure ALL your ducks are lined up before u start shooting 'em...

ps. I don't race and have no affilitation with racers the MNZ or the CEO but washing your dirty laundry in public ???

Boomer , interesting choice of words for some one claiming to be not involved etc .
the membership of mnz knows all about witch hunts !! Noel Curr could write a manuscript on the effects of being on the receiving end of one.

What we as members are trying to do is to go back to operating within our constitution,reunite our sport and give the greatest benefits back to the members,
what we have at present is excuse my language a major cluster f---
we have a set of occounts that is insulting to our intelligence as members i for one want to see the whole accounts,and i will probably be accused off a witch hunt on that one as well/
We have a CEO OFFSIDE WITH THE INDUSTRY AND MANY OF THE CLUBS ,
THIS ISNT A WITCH HUNT ITS A FACT.

[budda]

Well said Gremlin.

Boomer DOES have a point about rumours and innuendo, but the fact(s) speak for themselves - Postman Pat IS the guy involved, WAS there at the time, DID go through all the crap AND put in all the effort ........
Therefore I tend to give his statements some credence.

Seems important at this stage to re-state my own position in all this - It is NOT my case that everything the MNZ CEO has done is bad or counter-productive. This is NOT an anti-Pav crusade, well not for ME at least. But if it looks like it, smells like it, it just might BE it ?

Rather this Election is an opportunity to bring about some POSITIVE change, for the betterment of the "debacle that is NZ Racing".

As you can tell from many of the other postings, far too many on here are, despite being "in the game", blissfully unaware of the goings on behind the scenes, the at times nasty undercurrents, and the real reasons why some of the things that are going on are happening

Numerous posters on these forums have asked for answers, people like The Diminutive Man are doing their best to give 'em to you straight, no bullshit and to the point. How you all take 'em is up to you

[boomer]

Boomer, I, like Jim and Ian and all the rest of the Commission Team, will defend your right to your opinion, even when we disagree with it ........

Seems that YOU know a different and more correct version of the relevant facts - please, for the sake of clarity and to prevent those of us involved at the time from suffering a lifetime of self-delusion, tell us all what REALLY happened ........

And Chow, I've cellotaped a $20 to the fridge door with your name on it, that should kick off your defense fund !!!!!!!! Please do the same for me .....


I feel so privilaged to have you defend my opinion! THANK YOU !

if YOU do KNOW ( thats not the 'no' no but the 'know' no... ) all the scandelous information then why havent YOU done anything about it, other than shout BURN him.. Burn HIM !

Usuall story i imagine.. all smoke no fire, or are you teh force behind teh Chow Pawn.. !!! ahahhahah


ahaha i dont give a rats ass mate, as i said i dont race, i dont know any of YOU or teh MNZ. :jerry:

[budda]

[QUOTE=suzuki mama;2044353]

What we as members are trying to do is to go back to operating within our constitution,reunite our sport and give the greatest benefits back to the members,
what we have at present is excuse my language a major cluster f---

Thank you so much for not offending my sensibilities !!!!! Spot-On description though !

But before we all decide to go back to the future, and the Constitution, best you READ the thing. Still got the fish-hooks that were there when it was sold to us .

[boomer]

Boomer , interesting choice of words for some one claiming to be not involved etc .

Im an interesting sort of fella...

Go for it chick.. but scorning people publicly isn;t always teh means to the end..?!

[Shaun]

lol.. im not quite female status yet but i'm working on it..!!!



My point Shaun, and i'll use you as an example, is that rumours banded about willy nilly in public forums are, at best, not very nice. I've heard so many rumours about you shaun that would make my dead cat turn in its grave.. but i dont go plastering 'em all over the interweb... ? Maybe i should, i'll make more friends that way huh?!



As you were... im happy watching and laughing at the debacle that is NEW ZEALAND racing !!!!

ps.. i lied about the bet.. so sue me :p


Ha ha, might be worth a laugh to remind me about some of then some time:doh:

[brads]

?!

As you were... im happy watching and laughing at the debacle that is NEW ZEALAND racing !!!!
p
Question? why would someone that says they have no real link to NZ road racing ,yet, says that people that do, know nothing?
As for the above comment,yes it may be going through a rough patch,but at least some of us are trying to do something about rather than post childish comments.

[boomer]

Question? why would someone that says they have no real link to NZ road racing ,yet, says that people that do, know nothing?
As for the above comment,yes it may be going through a rough patch,but at least some of us are trying to do something about rather than post childish comments.


im just a spectator... dont mind me.

[suzuki mama]

Well said Brad,
Budha, theres 60 dollars on our fridge for the chow and the QC IS SHARPENING HIS PENCIL ,
There would be 80 but the littlest member in the hopes his mother might take the hint on a bigger mx bike is saving his money for mothers day ,

Not to be accused of being personal here and actually being a member and knowing some of those involved ,i would personally take the word of Paul Stewart any day over the Ceos sorry thats the way it is

Budha when i said we have a constitution i should have said we have a framework , a number of our paid employees and board are operating outside of it ,it needs the members and clubs to spend time on it getting it right .

We have tried it one way and its not working ,we have with the elections and the prospect of fresh eyes coming in the opportunity to fix IT
LETS NOT WASTE THIS OPPORTUNITY
Boomer your post reminded me strangely of the modus operandi of some in mnz .you can put up the smokescreen of witch hunts all you like the simple truth is if people had confidence, if things were working if ordinary members could actually get answers from mnz things would be diffrent

[Robert Taylor]

Ok, firstly its 'know',

Secondly, you're in a Public forum and i'm able to comment as much as i.. yes I like.

Thirdly why be a voice for others, expecially when you obvioulsy dont have all the facts? being a pawn is ..well.. just that.

And lastly, wether you blow your own trumpet or not doesn't really tell me if you have all your ducks in a row; does it? i'm inclined to think you don't. and i'd bet $20 that you'll find yourself with libel charges sooner rather than later ( pawn or not )



I laughed at this point, resorting to name calling; any credence you may have had has long gone.

Actually there is no doubt whatsoever that Ian has all the facts. I have known Ian for a long long time, hes a modest guy and the fact he has posted on this site is a real indictment of how many toes the CEO has tread on.

[boomer]

Well said Brad,
Budha, theres 60 dollars on our fridge for the chow and the QC IS SHARPENING HIS PENCIL ,
There would be 80 but the littlest member in the hopes his mother might take the hint on a bigger mx bike is saving his money for mothers day ,

Not to be accused of being personal here and actually being a member and knowing some of those involved ,i would personally take the word of Paul Stewart any day over the Ceos sorry thats the way it is

Budha when i said we have a constitution i should have said we have a framework , a number of our paid employees and board are operating outside of it ,it needs the members and clubs to spend time on it getting it right .

We have tried it one way and its not working ,we have with the elections and the prospect of fresh eyes coming in the opportunity to fix IT
LETS NOT WASTE THIS OPPORTUNITY
Boomer your post reminded me strangely of the modus operandi of some in mnz .you can put up the smokescreen of witch hunts all you like the simple truth is if people had confidence, if things were working if ordinary members could actually get answers from mnz things would be diffrent

you can burn me too.. i dont care; i've spent all your money on piss and women!


funny thing is, i'd pay $20 to watch this debacle unfold but wont pay $20 to go watch any of u moaning minnies at a SBK meet....:jerry:

[suzuki mama]

Im an interesting sort of fella...

Go for it chick.. but scorning people publicly isn;t always teh means to the end..?!

Chick ??? the harley rider is convulsing with mirth, he says and i quote scorn she hasnt got started on that one yet.

i could say what does the Ceo do all day? that could be construed as scornful .
I could say is alienating the industry a final warning offence that might be scornful.
I could say he hasnt raised much actual cash in sponsorshiP BUT that
definetely would be scornful
and i could say i as a member no longer have the confidence that he can deliver an acceptible method of operation but that would be fact and my club is saving that for the AGM

[gixerracer]

you can burn me too.. i dont care; i've spent all your money on piss and women!


funny thing is, i'd pay $20 to watch this debacle unfold but wont pay $20 to go watch any of u moaning minnies at a SBK meet....:jerry:

Well piss off out of here then as thats what this is about:jerry:

[boomer]

Well piss off out of here then as thats what this is about:jerry:


lol.. and who do you think you are? Craig Sherriffs or somone?

[KiwiKat]

All the best in working through issues on this one and the upcoming elections. Although not involved my understand is that the organisation is registered as as sporting club perhaps an incorporated society. As such there is a constitution which is legally binding on all office holders and members. Too often the sections and principles of the constitution are ignored by those in power, but often the constitution is very loosely worded to allow flexibity and interpretation. NZSBK site met a need for getting information out and did it well.

[Tony.OK]

lol.. and who do you think you are? Craig Sherriffs or somone?

Nah surely not.........................a Honda rider wouldn't have a Suzook user name:doh::laugh:

[brads]

lol.. and who do you think you are? Craig Sherriffs or somone?

Don't you mean Craig Shirriffs? :doh::tugger:

[budda]

well said that man !!!!!!!!

[boomer]

Don't you mean Craig Shirriffs? :doh::tugger:

i Dunno.. some cnut who rides a thousand... you know teh one i mean.. the one who keeps getting smoked by those ozzies !!!

[budda]

i Dunno.. some cnut who rides a thousand...

Think we've seen enough Brattley, dont you ?

[brads]

Think we've seen enough Brattley, dont you ?

Yep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:tugger:

[cowpoos]

i Dunno.. some cnut who rides a thousand... you know teh one i mean.. the one who keeps getting smoked by those ozzies !!!

Lol...you at home bored with a box of piss Duncan??

[Bren_chch]

MNZ STAFF HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SITE.IN FACT THE CEO WANTED IT NOT TO GO AHEAD LAST YEAR?

That’s unbelievable yet believable at the same time if you get my drift!

That website was exactly what was needed to keep us all involved and up to date, especially because not all of us could make the rounds, for me it kept me in touch with all the goings on and I loved checking out the updates.

Well done to the people behind it, awesome job!

Everyone I speak to about this topic, which I only a handful of people… has the same conclusion and it sides with The Chow.

[boomer]

Think we've seen enough Brattley, dont you ?


Yep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:tugger:

Exactly my sentiment when i came to watch you 2 race....:bleh:

[boomer]

Lol...you at home bored with a box of piss Duncan??


Hey Ryan, yeah.. and im getting my kicks for free :beer:

[cowpoos]

Hey Ryan, yeah.. and im getting my kicks for free :beer:
haha...thought so!!! If I haddn't already have a couple I'd potentially cruz up and join ya...ain't seen you in a age!!

[Shaun]

Well done POOS, that got rid of the MAD Scottsman

[The Chow]

Oh by the way I posted this idea on the MX holeshot website and was asked why the other site was shut down. This is my reply. And I no longer wish to comment on it , it is yesterday , we are looking for tomorrow.

Hi Ricey

It is a long story about the whole site , but I'm sick of being negative. Anyway the site shut down because 1) Came to the end of it's term or contract(if you like). And also the budget ran out.It was only ever for the superbike championships.And now with Paul Stewart not standing and the hassles we had , I really wasn't that interested anymore in continuing. So cut the cord.

But the fantastic response I have had and seen has made me realise it is our sport , and it deserves coverage. And as I have had a lot to do with all forms (2 wheel anyway)over my 37 years of in the sport of motorcycling.

The sport (all discplines need coverage) but I'm fully aware that if you wait around for others to do things it normally never happens.

This year we have the World Junior MX Championships , we don't want it the best keep secret do we?

I would just like to point out , that I'm not a journalist , I have nothing to do with any motorcycle organisation or company , in fact I'm a Motorcycle Postie!

I have let my views be known on other threads and yes I'm a good Friend of Jim Tuckerman , but let me say he has no tie with the proposed website , although his company still owns the original NZSBK Domain Name.

[enigma51]

I get the feeling the problem is the fact that someone wanted to make some money out of registering the NZSBK domain name but didnt get what he wanted so now he's a bit a of a cry baby

[Shaun P]

At least it would be money well spent.

[suzuki mama]

Enigma ,you are so wrong its laughable, the domain name was registered by Jim Tuckerman as i understand it, he received nothing for it ,took nothing out of it and the decision to shut it down was not taken by him.the site was administered solely by Ian Dawson, he shut it down at the end of the road race champs for reasons that are well explained here.

Had mnz had a properly functioning web site ,nzsbk probably would never have come into existence ,you might try asking Paul Stewart that one ,
The current MNZ site has areas completly out of date and nzsbk left it for dead.

Ian Dawson never looked to make money out of site nor did Paul Stewart or Jim Tuckerman nor is Ian looking to do so now,

Instead of trying to run down the efforts of a team of people who gave 100% plus ,look instead at ways you can contribute to improve the sport of motorcycling,at the very least you owe Ian Dawson a big apology.

[budda]

Enigma, you are SO far out of touch its passed being funny - obviously no fault of your own that you are in such a state of blissful ignorance, but the fact remains that you ARE ignorant - the Road race Commission to a MAN are honest, trustworthy and reliable, and to infer otherwise puts a GIGANTIC magnifying glass on your motives.

If you cannot accept that the people involved were acting in the best interests of our Sport, step aside .........

[scracha]

Well done POOS, that got rid of the MAD Scottsman
Fark,.....now you've upset some people

[enigma51]

So if im so out of touch why the big moan on a PUBLIC website?

[SixPackBack]

Fooken racing fraternity in NZ would be lucky to be able [on a good day] to organise a hand job at flora's......

[suzuki mama]

enigma
ACTUALLY WE BELONG TO MNZ AN INCORPORATED SOCIETY WHICH GIVES US AS MEMBERS THE RIGHT TO QUESTION ANYTHING THAT IS PERCEIVED TO BE NOT IN THE INTERESTS OF THE MEMBERS. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO FREELY QUESTION IN ANY FORUM WE CHOOSE IF OUR ELECTED BOARD AND PAID EMPLOYEES MOVE AWAY FROM THE STATED DIRECTIONS OF THE MEMBERSHIP.
ONE OF THE BIG THInGS ABOUT LIVING IN A DEMOCRACY IS THE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, NOW PERSONALLY I MIGHT FIND YOUR INSINUATIONS OF ROAD RACE COMMISSION MEMBERS SHUTTING THEIR SITE DOWN BECAUSE THEY WERE THROWING THEIR TOYS OUT OF THEIR COT INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE ,BUT I CAN EXCUSE YOUR IGNORANCE

WHAT MEMBERS ARE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE PUBLIC WHAT REALLY HAPPENED,
nO ONE IN MNZ OFFICE OR CEO GOT SPONSERSHIP FOR ROADRACING PAUL STEWART ACTING AS COMMISSONER DID,
MNZ TOOK AWAY WHAT FUNDING IT HAD GIVEN IN PREIVOUS YEARS.
NO ONE IN THE OFFICE OR CEO PAID FOR TELEVISION PAUL STEWART AND THE COMMISSION RAISED THE MONEY FROM THE DISTRIBUTORS AND SOME DAM GOOD PRIZESAS WELL

SPONSERSHIP PAID FOR THE WEB SITE NOT MNZ
SO INSTEAD OF SNIDE REMARKS, AND PARDON ME IF AS A RIDER I WOULD RATHER HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSION AS WAS PROMISED AT LAST YEARS AGM BEFORE WE BOUGHT A CAR PARK

hOW ABOUT YOU REALISE THAT WHAT A PUBLIC FORUM IS FOR IS TO AIR THE TRUTH.
YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT BUT THE TIME HAS COME TO MOVE AWAY FROM PERSONALITIES AND LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY HAVE THE GOOD OF THE SPORT AT HEART

[SixPackBack]

enigma
ACTUALLY WE BELONG TO MNZ AN INCORPORATED SOCIETY WHICH GIVES US AS MEMBERS THE RIGHT TO QUESTION ANYTHING THAT IS PERCEIVED TO BE NOT IN THE INTERESTS OF THE MEMBERS. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO FREELY QUESTION IN ANY FORUM WE CHOOSE IF OUR ELECTED BOARD AND PAID EMPLOYEES MOVE AWAY FROM THE STATED DIRECTIONS OF THE MEMBERSHIP.
ONE OF THE BIG THInGS ABOUT LIVING IN A DEMOCRACY IS THE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, NOW PERSONALLY I MIGHT FIND YOUR INSINUATIONS OF ROAD RACE COMMISSION MEMBERS SHUTTING THEIR SITE DOWN BECAUSE THEY WERE THROWING THEIR TOYS OUT OF THEIR COT INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE ,BUT I CAN EXCUSE YOUR IGNORANCE

WHAT MEMBERS ARE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE PUBLIC WHAT REALLY HAPPENED,
nO ONE IN MNZ OFFICE OR CEO GOT SPONSERSHIP FOR ROADRACING PAUL STEWART ACTING AS COMMISSONER DID,
MNZ TOOK AWAY WHAT FUNDING IT HAD GIVEN IN PREIVOUS YEARS.
NO ONE IN THE OFFICE OR CEO PAID FOR TELEVISION PAUL STEWART AND THE COMMISSION RAISED THE MONEY FROM THE DISTRIBUTORS AND SOME DAM GOOD PRIZESAS WELL

SPONSERSHIP PAID FOR THE WEB SITE NOT MNZ
SO INSTEAD OF SNIDE REMARKS, AND PARDON ME IF AS A RIDER I WOULD RATHER HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSION AS WAS PROMISED AT LAST YEARS AGM BEFORE WE BOUGHT A CAR PARK

hOW ABOUT YOU REALISE THAT WHAT A PUBLIC FORUM IS FOR IS TO AIR THE TRUTH.
YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT BUT THE TIME HAS COME TO MOVE AWAY FROM PERSONALITIES AND LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY HAVE THE GOOD OF THE SPORT AT HEART

Hey!....stop shouting women, your not talking to your husband now.

[budda]

Ever considered that the whole point is that this IS A PUBLIC FORUM ?

[Robert Taylor]

Fooken racing fraternity in NZ would be lucky to be able [on a good day] to organise a hand job at flora's......

Actually the people at the sharp end of organising the road racing nationals did an excellent job.

[Kickaha]

Fooken racing fraternity in NZ would be lucky to be able [on a good day] to organise a hand job at flora's......


I'm sure all the armchair experts could do it better

[enigma51]

I'm sure all the armchair experts could do it better

Of course they can its a KB thing

[enigma51]

enigma
ACTUALLY WE BELONG TO MNZ AN INCORPORATED SOCIETY WHICH GIVES US AS MEMBERS THE RIGHT TO QUESTION ANYTHING THAT IS PERCEIVED TO BE NOT IN THE INTERESTS OF THE MEMBERS. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO FREELY QUESTION IN ANY FORUM WE CHOOSE IF OUR ELECTED BOARD AND PAID EMPLOYEES MOVE AWAY FROM THE STATED DIRECTIONS OF THE MEMBERSHIP.
ONE OF THE BIG THInGS ABOUT LIVING IN A DEMOCRACY IS THE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, NOW PERSONALLY I MIGHT FIND YOUR INSINUATIONS OF ROAD RACE COMMISSION MEMBERS SHUTTING THEIR SITE DOWN BECAUSE THEY WERE THROWING THEIR TOYS OUT OF THEIR COT INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE ,BUT I CAN EXCUSE YOUR IGNORANCE

WHAT MEMBERS ARE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE PUBLIC WHAT REALLY HAPPENED,
nO ONE IN MNZ OFFICE OR CEO GOT SPONSERSHIP FOR ROADRACING PAUL STEWART ACTING AS COMMISSONER DID,
MNZ TOOK AWAY WHAT FUNDING IT HAD GIVEN IN PREIVOUS YEARS.
NO ONE IN THE OFFICE OR CEO PAID FOR TELEVISION PAUL STEWART AND THE COMMISSION RAISED THE MONEY FROM THE DISTRIBUTORS AND SOME DAM GOOD PRIZESAS WELL

SPONSERSHIP PAID FOR THE WEB SITE NOT MNZ
SO INSTEAD OF SNIDE REMARKS, AND PARDON ME IF AS A RIDER I WOULD RATHER HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSION AS WAS PROMISED AT LAST YEARS AGM BEFORE WE BOUGHT A CAR PARK

hOW ABOUT YOU REALISE THAT WHAT A PUBLIC FORUM IS FOR IS TO AIR THE TRUTH.
YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT BUT THE TIME HAS COME TO MOVE AWAY FROM PERSONALITIES AND LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY HAVE THE GOOD OF THE SPORT AT HEART

Steady on there lady no need for shouting.

As a member of the KB public (which is a sad thing) i am just pointing out that maybe there is more to the story than just chow's version and have moan on the wonderful world of kb is most definitely not the place.

No one like the mnz's current state but its not its first month of bullshit. We have all seen it before and every time some one bitches on kb it gets worst.

Yes most of the people on the sharp end of the stick does a fantastic job and mr chow and fellow members are right in complaining but complaining on kb is not the place.

You wanna make a stand make the nzsbk domain a public forum for racers where race and management can be talked about in a public forum by those who it most affect.

[SixPackBack]

I'm sure all the armchair experts could do it better

Would be hard to do worse than AMCC's recent performance [for example]. We have had their president on-site mouthing off about what a bunch of coonts KB contains, the same coonts who marshal, race and provide constructive criticism to a club and president still living in the 70's............

Ask yourself this Kickaha: if NZ sportsbike racing is in such sound shape why are we constantly barraged with 'crisis posts' and bitter recrimination from racers, spectators and supporters alike?

[enigma51]

Lets not start on spectator/supporters being unhappy


The fucking tele last week had highlight of the nzsbk ruapuna race on ???????

And today before the motogp fucking drifting?????

[suzuki mama]

enigma
l love your sense of humour,you have made my night , if the harley rider was convulsing with mirth yesterday hes in 7th heaven today at the thought i would ever ever shout at him ,this is a very peaceful family hard to believe but i subscribe to the idea that raising ones voice is counter productive one look should say it all but thanks for the thought:rockon:

[codgyoleracer]

I,me missing something here.

To leave the site static for a few months until things were decided would cost a hosting fee per month about the same as the $20 bet being offered.........
So who infact pulled the site off-line ? & why ?
Glen

[boomer]

I,me missing something here.

To leave the site static for a few months until things were decided would cost a hosting fee per month about the same as the $20 bet being offered.........
So who infact pulled the site off-line ? & why ?
Glen

Get with the times old man, i reneged on that bet already... !



Hey!....stop shouting women, your not talking to your husband now.


i laughed so much Coffee came out of my nose and i wet my y fronts.. i larfed!!!


Ever considered that the whole point is that this IS A PUBLIC FORUM ?

Dude, i think the points being made ( by those not involved, honest orrificer, we're not MNZ spies ) are that this forum, as wide reaching as it is, may not be the place to be bitching about the sport.. best intentions or not. You look like a pack of whinning women...



Fark,.....now you've upset some people

shh you, ya sweaty sock ! :p

[suzuki mama]

shame on you,i would have said desparate men myself,

the point i for one am trying to make is that this is a public forum and as such the perfect place to air and exchange views, they may be totally opposing but you can air them

there are many dissatisfied members of mnz, who cant air concerns anywhere but in a public forum because at present you air even a mild concern to the office and you get either totally ignored or become the recipient of a i dont like your tone e-mail and there are some classics of those floating around,

if taking a stand and being open about the fact there are major problems not being addressed at mnz labels me a whinger so be it,
im therefore a whinger if i expect the office that represents my sport to act in a professional manner,
im a whinger if i expect to see an accurate accounting report.
im a whinger if i would like to see the commissions run by the commissioners and the group of people that they gather around them with assistance and not hindrance from the office,

mnz has been run like a secret society for too long,how come motorcycling in other countries still manages to have minutes of board and commission meetings on their website so every one can see whats happening.

Im not blaming any one person here just a set of circumstances that have been allowed through unwise leadership to deterioate,so if asking for an honest attempt to do more than wring our hands ,
whip up witch hunts and launch personal attacks on members with oppossing views is whinging im right up there with the best

Communication is a vital tool that mnz is appalling at,its time to reasses our goals and work methods and move on ,other wise mnz will wake up one morning like the Druids society and discover theres nothing left ,
the membership has found better uses for their money,

if the chairman of the importers association endorses a candidate, he has a good reason, you may not like the candidate but this isnt a popularity contest

[Shaun]

if the chairman of the importers association endorses a candidate, he has a good reason, you may not like the candidate but this isnt a popularity contest



ENOUGH SAID I THINK, lets all go with Jim Tuckerman, and work with what the industry wants, not what our PAID staff members think we want:headbang:

[scracha]

there are many dissatisfied members of mnz, who cant air concerns anywhere but in a public forum because at present you air even a mild concern to the office and you get either totally ignored or become the recipient of a i dont like your tone e-mail and there are some classics of those floating around,


Well said. You can't discuss concerns at a race meeting...because everyone is ermm...racing. Aside from race meetings, at what other place would you find lots of MNZ members discussing ideas? Obviously a select chosen few members of the secret society phone one another but the rest of us would be totally in the dark about half the stuff that happens in MNZ were it not for this very site.