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Gareth123
3rd May 2009, 15:35
If you open a copy of The Press at the moment and take a look at the letters section you will find numerous people have written in moaning that the police are yet again screwing innocent drivers out of more money by taking pictures of cars who have crossed the center line on a particular corner through the Hundalees then radioing ahead to get that car pulled over.
While I can understand people's arguments in regards to line crossing or corner straightening while driving, I fail to see where this practice can be considered safe.
Time and time again, when I hear someone recounting an accident that has taken place, I hear the phrase “The guy just came out of nowhere!”
This demonstrates that each time we get into a car, we are not as attentive as we should be.
This could be due to a lack of sleep, drinking, driving for a long period of time, or even passengers that we are carrying in our vehicle.
You may cross the center line 100 times and never have an accident, this creates a habit. What happens when you're tired, you don't see a car coming and this habit kicks in?
I wholly support the efforts of the police in breaking the habits of drivers who do this. Perhaps this is because I spent 9 months recovering from a motorcycle accident where I “came out of nowhere” and two years on I'm still unable to do all the things I'd like to due to the results of the crash. The person who crossed the center line and caused my accident had 40 years of spotless driving behind him. 40 years of spotless driving? Or 40 years of forming a bad habit?
What do you guys think?
sunhuntin
3rd May 2009, 15:41
there are two corners here in town where ive been close to being a hit a number of times due to line crossers. the last was a truck who looked fit to shit himself when he saw me and made a hurried readjustment of his line. and that happens every time i take that short stretch of road, no matter what direction im taking. about the only time i wished there was a cheese cutter.
i dont know about down south, but around wangas at least theyve put down rumble strips on both the left hand and center lines. brilliant idea!
Spuds1234
3rd May 2009, 15:41
I agree with the first post. Crossing the centre line isnt a good thing to do, also who wants to straighten out a corner anyway, the corners are the fun bits.
there are some corners that are perfectly safe to cross the cr line on and some that arnt
Blackbird
3rd May 2009, 16:00
Refer to post: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=81112&highlight=straightlining. It generated some fairly spirited discussion. The real key is when and where you straight line and after all, it's taught in the UK as an ADVANCED technique.
I still do it occasionally where I consider it appropriate BUT I'm doing it a whole lot less than I used to. This summer and autumn on the Coromandel Peninsula has been diabolical for cagers (and some bikers) for badly cutting blind corners. I know this is different from straightlining a sequence that you can see through but I'm increasingly staying well within my lane to avoid other pillocks. I'd prefer to die in bed than on the road.
Refer to post: [url]http: taught in the UK as an ADVANCED technique.
I'd prefer to die in bed than on the road.
hospital bed???:whistle:
Crossing the center line is a bad habit....no argument there.
But at what point does a tight corner become a corner become a bend become a curve in the road become a straight?
And on tight bends with a long vehical, crossing the center line becomes inevitable....are the long trucks getting booked?
Some where I have seen solid white center lines...these should be used on corners where there is a risk in the same way yellow lines are used, and crossing this solid white line should be punishable. A general crossing of center line where there is good viz should not be punishable.
I have always thought the yellow no overtaking lines should be yellow no crossing the centerline ...lines
fireliv
3rd May 2009, 16:11
If you cant stay between the 2 white lines on your side of the road then you shouldnt be driving. U are a hazard. I dont know how many times I have come round a corner on my bike and found a car half on my side of the road. Roads are more than big enough in most places that there is no reason for someone to be on the otherside of the line. Its not a race track, so you shouldnt need to be going too fast for the corner.+
People that cross the line make me very angry!!!:angry2::calm:
Jantar
3rd May 2009, 16:12
....I have always thought the yellow no overtaking lines should be yellow no crossing the centerline ...lines
They are. :yes:
They are. :yes:
So why not use them on all blind corners and remove the ambiguity?
You in the 10 K?
Gareth123
3rd May 2009, 16:19
Refer to post: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=81112&highlight=straightlining. It generated some fairly spirited discussion. The real key is when and where you straight line and after all, it's taught in the UK as an ADVANCED technique.
Damn it! I searched Line crossing and Corner straightening. Never thought of straightlining!
Jantar
3rd May 2009, 16:21
They are generally used on blind corners. But there is another rule that says you must keep as far left as practical. This means staying on your own side of the road except when passing.
What is the 10 K?
FJRider
3rd May 2009, 16:23
As I recall, the law requires you to stay to the left of the centreline, unless you are overtaking another vehicle.
Not any time you feel the need to... or feel it is safe for you to do so.
Okey Dokey
3rd May 2009, 16:24
Vehicles crossing the centre line really annoy me. I always think "that person can't drive" It is a bad thing to do; people shouldn't be lazy and make a habit of it.
I agree if you can't stay on your own side of the road between the lines, then you shouldn't be driving.
Sure works well for half the unmarked country roads I play on...
Crossing the centreline should be fine, as long as you can see what's coming.
Virago
3rd May 2009, 16:36
If you cant stay between the 2 white lines on your side of the road then you shouldnt be driving. U are a hazard. I dont know how many times I have come round a corner on my bike and found a car half on my side of the road...
The other side of that point is the number of bikers who think that they are quite legal and correct to take right-hand corners with their wheels just to the left of the line. The fact that their head is up to a metre across the line is immaterial...:crazy:
Gixxer peter
3rd May 2009, 16:56
Yep it pisses me off when people cross the center line, most are just lazy or going to fast for their skills or the ability of the vehicle, quite simple really, you can cross that centerline if there is enough clear road in front of you and you indicate that you are about to cross the center line, having checked your mirrors.
Guess some call that "passing".
I have nearly been cleaned out a few times by that driver that "straightlines a curve" as i am passing him, me having done all the right things (as Above) and finding out that he wants to use the peice of road that i intended to use to get by him/her.
LEARN TO DRIVE/RIDE!!!
scumdog
3rd May 2009, 17:33
there are some corners that are perfectly safe to cross the cr line on and some that arnt
I bet bugger-all riders/drivers that had a head-on while cutting a corner thought "hmmm this corner looks like one of those ones that aren't safe to cross the centre-line on - but I'll do it anyway".;)
davereid
3rd May 2009, 17:42
I bet bugger-all riders/drivers that had a head-on while cutting a corner thought "hmmm this corner looks like one of those ones that aren't safe to cross the centre-line on - but I'll do it anyway".;)
Dead right.. plus those like the bitch that tried to take me out today - There was a tractor on her side of the road, therefore it was ok for her to change onto my side of the road to pass.
She didn't have to wait for the road to be clear, because the tractor was going sloooww and there was ONLY a motorbike coming the other way, and the motorbiker could easily make room for her.
As she said when I confronted her "Your bike is really narrow, there was plenty of room for me to pass, it was only scary 'cos you didn't go far enough to the left."
(Actually, I went as far left, as quickly as I could... and it was still bloody scary..)
Good luck to the cops, may they take a licence off, pepper spray and baton to the ground everyone who crosses the centerline when they can't be sure the road ahead is clear.
Dead right.. plus those like the bitch that tried to take me out today - There was a tractor on her side of the road, therefore it was ok for her to change onto my side of the road to pass.
She didn't have to wait for the road to be clear, because the tractor was going sloooww and there was ONLY a motorbike coming the other way, and the motorbiker could easily make room for her.
As she said when I confronted her "Your bike is really narrow, there was plenty of room for me to pass, it was only scary 'cos you didn't go far enough to the left."
(Actually, I went as far left, as quickly as I could... and it was still bloody scary..)
Good luck to the cops, may they take a licence off, pepper spray and baton to the ground everyone who crosses the centerline when they can't be sure the road ahead is clear.
thats pretty piss poor on her part, waiting that extra 10 second to pass was too much of an inconveniece i guess. Good on ya for confronting her bout it.
They did the same thing in hb awhile ago, heaps of people were complaining about it, so it is good to get the message out.
Dead right.. plus those like the bitch that tried to take me out today - There was a tractor on her side of the road, therefore it was ok for her to change onto my side of the road to pass.
She didn't have to wait for the road to be clear, because the tractor was going sloooww and there was ONLY a motorbike coming the other way, and the motorbiker could easily make room for her.
As she said when I confronted her "Your bike is really narrow, there was plenty of room for me to pass, it was only scary 'cos you didn't go far enough to the left."
(Actually, I went as far left, as quickly as I could... and it was still bloody scary..)
Good luck to the cops, may they take a licence off, pepper spray and baton to the ground everyone who crosses the centerline when they can't be sure the road ahead is clear.
That is becoming an all too common occurrence - I'd see at least one instance of this every day, it's typical of the selfish attitude of many NZ drivers.
I agree too that the white line issue is a difficult one, there are some corners where you can clearly see whether there is oncoming traffic and whilst it's not the best public road driving habit to get into I don't see an issue with corners like this - really it comes back to being an alert, responsible driver.
I think we're too quick to jump on failings of bad drivers and introducing laws to deal with them, I'd rather see better driver training than this lowest common denominator approach so loved by the NZ authorities.
I bet bugger-all riders/drivers that had a head-on while cutting a corner thought "hmmm this corner looks like one of those ones that aren't safe to cross the centre-line on - but I'll do it anyway".;)
i can think of a few that you can see easy a half a k down the road, apart from the fact your supposed to stay on your side of the road if there isnt a car coming you arnt going to hit it
davereid
3rd May 2009, 20:37
That is becoming an all too common occurrence - I'd see at least one instance of this every day, it's typical of the selfish attitude of many NZ drivers.
Yeah, it seems that people who would never pass unsafely normally, forget the rules if their lane is blocked by a stationary or near stationary object, and just whip around it.
FJRider
3rd May 2009, 20:38
I bet bugger-all riders/drivers that had a head-on while cutting a corner thought "hmmm this corner looks like one of those ones that aren't safe to cross the centre-line on - but I'll do it anyway".;)
... because that couldn't happen to me :pinch:... I'll be ok ;)... I have fast reactions, and am a good driver :woohoo:
FJRider
3rd May 2009, 20:46
Yeah, it seems that people who would never pass unsafely normally, forget the rules if their lane is blocked by a stationary or near stationary object, and just whip around it.
That is because their desire to pass safely, is overruled by the desire not to be inconvenienced in any way in their journey, by any who choose to block their way.... Obviously done on purpose just to annoy everybody.
dangerous
3rd May 2009, 20:50
Sure works well for half the unmarked country roads I play on...
Crossing the centreline should be fine, as long as you can see what's coming.
FFS... ask any one that has had a acco, and they will say "i never seen you" use ya brain if you have one, accos dont hapen deliberatly... need I remind you so far this year ONE biker dies every FIVE days... thats farking distcusting.
there are some corners that are perfectly safe to cross the cr line on and some that arnt
BULLSHIT... anyone single person that is a capable rider will NEVER need to cross the line.
Genestho
3rd May 2009, 21:04
I bet bugger-all riders/drivers that had a head-on while cutting a corner thought "hmmm this corner looks like one of those ones that aren't safe to cross the centre-line on - but I'll do it anyway".;)
+1, seen it many, many times...and well, you know the rest...a game of skittles - only no-one wins
Mikkel
3rd May 2009, 21:25
Crossing the centerline on corners with no visibility - BIG no no. :nono:
Crossing the centerline on corners with good visibility - no problem.
If you are on your bike and out riding for fun there is absolutely no good reason to cut a corner.
However, if you are in a car with passengers you can take the corner faster without slowing down (braking) or pushing it around the corner - both are actions which may reduce passenger comfort.
If you are in a big hurry and want to get from A to B as fast as possible, cutting corners will allow you to do them faster ... but that is another story.
As for fines, since they are handing them out for all sorts of non-dangerous behaviour, why should this be excempt?
peasea
3rd May 2009, 21:25
If you open a copy of The Press at the moment and take a look at the letters section you will find numerous people have written in moaning that the police are yet again screwing innocent drivers out of more money by taking pictures of cars who have crossed the center line on a particular corner through the Hundalees then radioing ahead to get that car pulled over.
While I can understand people's arguments in regards to line crossing or corner straightening while driving, I fail to see where this practice can be considered safe.
Time and time again, when I hear someone recounting an accident that has taken place, I hear the phrase “The guy just came out of nowhere!”
This demonstrates that each time we get into a car, we are not as attentive as we should be.
This could be due to a lack of sleep, drinking, driving for a long period of time, or even passengers that we are carrying in our vehicle.
You may cross the center line 100 times and never have an accident, this creates a habit. What happens when you're tired, you don't see a car coming and this habit kicks in?
I wholly support the efforts of the police in breaking the habits of drivers who do this. Perhaps this is because I spent 9 months recovering from a motorcycle accident where I “came out of nowhere” and two years on I'm still unable to do all the things I'd like to due to the results of the crash. The person who crossed the center line and caused my accident had 40 years of spotless driving behind him. 40 years of spotless driving? Or 40 years of forming a bad habit?
What do you guys think?
If you cross the centre line you should be prepared to die/kill. Speeding is one thing, and in the right place who cares? Crossing the line? BURN THEM ALL!!
dangerous
3rd May 2009, 21:36
However, if you are in a car with passengers you can take the corner faster without slowing down (braking) or pushing it around the corner - both are actions which may reduce passenger comfort.
You farking twat... passenger comfort you rate over being alive... if you ever try that in front of me ill have serious words mate, so you have comfortable pasangers and push me into the ditch killing my son...
IF you have to cut the corner you either cant drive for shit... or you are going to fast
PS: those dead at xmas in Taitapu 2 up... yeah i bet he was cutting the corner for the comfort of his pilion... ALL DEAD including those oncomming.
Ahhhh, so that explains what those two cop cars were doing a kilometre apart on a windy, hilly part of the Hundalees on 8 November last year. I thought "what a silly place to have a speed trap ... no way anyone is going to speed there" and then wondered what they were processing the camper-van driver for. If that was where people were crossing the centre line then I'm pleased the cops are targetting it.
Mikkel
3rd May 2009, 21:46
You farking twat... passenger comfort you rate over being alive... if you ever try that in front of me ill have serious words mate, so you have comfortable pasangers and push me into the ditch killing my son...
IF you have to cut the corner you either cant drive for shit... or you are going to fast
PS: those dead at xmas in Taitapu 2 up... yeah i bet he was cutting the corner for the comfort of his pilion... ALL DEAD including those oncomming.
Learn to read you farking twat... :rolleyes: :weird:
I said cutting corners where you have the necessary visibility is ok - that means you *know* you won't be pushing anyone else into the ditch, you *know* you aren't going to cause any mayhem whatsoever.
I dunno if you misunderstood my comment about passenger comfort - but here is a hint: I don't take pillions.
And in that light I absolutely fail to see what the point is of mentioning the accident at Taitapu - that has nothing to do with this.
Get a rein on your temperament mate.
dangerous
3rd May 2009, 21:53
And in that light I absolutely fail to see what the point is of mentioning the accident at Taitapu - that has nothing to do with this.
Get a rein on your temperament mate.
Ummm... I know you have the brain power mate, if you dont see the common denominator here perhaps you should stay at home.
Learn to read you farking twat... :rolleyes: :weird:
I said cutting corners where you have the necessary visibility is ok - that means you *know* you won't be pushing anyone else into the ditch, you *know* you aren't going to cause any mayhem whatsoever.
read slower... people dont have head ons deliberatly... NO they THOUGHT their 'visibility is ok' yet they killed
Ahhhh, so that explains what those two cop cars were doing a kilometre apart on a windy, hilly part of the Hundalees on 8 November last year. I thought "what a silly place to have a speed trap ... no way anyone is going to speed there" and then wondered what they were processing the camper-van driver for. If that was where people were crossing the centre line then I'm pleased the cops are targetting it.
yeah... I was on the road that day (working) and seen that... bloody good on em. did have me guessing for a while tho.
Mikkel
3rd May 2009, 22:09
Ummm... I know you have the brain power mate, if you dont see the common denominator here perhaps you should stay at home.
I suppose that the guy who was doing the overtaking, at ridiculous speeds, did so on a right-hand corner (I don't know, I wasn't there, I haven't seen the pictures). The reason why I say there is no parallel is because 1) he was overtaking - not just cutting a corner, 2) there were plenty of other vehicles around and more importantly 3) he either didn't have the visibility or he intentionally caused a head-on.
read slower... people dont have head ons deliberatly... NO they THOUGHT their 'visibility is ok' yet they killed
I get your point about accidents not being intentional. And I'd say you are right (at least 99.9% of the time).
I was merely talking about the situations where you do have all the visiblity in the world and then can be sure that you will cause no dangerous situations. The difference is between "honest belief" and "knowing" - and it is bloody important. :yes:
ducatilover
3rd May 2009, 23:35
I can understand why people do it. I tend not. I think it is far greater entertainment staying in my lane and riding better than the other guy [yeah, that never happens.]
Blind corner cutting in a no-no in my books. :wacko:
dangerous
4th May 2009, 06:11
I suppose that the guy who was doing the overtaking, at ridiculous speeds, did so on a right-hand corner (I don't know, I wasn't there, I haven't seen the pictures). The reason why I say there is no parallel is because 1) he was overtaking - not just cutting a corner, 2) there were plenty of other vehicles around and more importantly 3) he either didn't have the visibility or he intentionally caused a head-on.
AHHHHH... i see were you are going wrong, your belief on the acco is aparently way off.
There was NO 'overtaking' as there were no other cages/bikes going in his direction, the oncoming group were taking a line to far to the right on a right hander (as was the oncomming rider remember keep to the LEFT) and as riders tend to follow to close they instinktly take the same line as the bike they follow... cutting a corner or crossing the center is a BAD habit which becomes a habit that you dont even relise you are doing thus, one day someone forgets to triple check the way is clear, ya cant possibly have a head on if all are on the correct side of the line.
I can understand why people do it.
Yeah thats a no brainer... they are lazy (going to fast, and obviously cant handle their cage/bike)
Mikkel
4th May 2009, 08:16
AHHHHH... i see were you are going wrong, your belief on the acco is aparently way off.
There was NO 'overtaking' as there were no other cages/bikes going in his direction, the oncoming group were taking a line to far to the right on a right hander (as was the oncomming rider remember keep to the LEFT) and as riders tend to follow to close they instinktly take the same line as the bike they follow... cutting a corner or crossing the center is a BAD habit which becomes a habit that you dont even relise you are doing thus, one day someone forgets to triple check the way is clear, ya cant possibly have a head on if all are on the correct side of the line.
Ok, I see - the media coverage was a bit fuzzy then. (What a surprise.) We are talking about the one with 2 dead riders, 1 dead pillion and 1 very injured (maybe dead later) pillion that happened on the way to Akaroa? The one where there were complaints about blood not being cleaned off the road quickly enough.
And I agree, never make it a habit... What I meant by passenger comfort was that in the exception where you are carrying passengers (again, in a car) and you have the necessary visibility - then it isn't a problem. The rest of the time it makes no sense, removing the corners from any drive/ride just makes it less fun.
Hitcher
4th May 2009, 08:54
there are some corners that are perfectly safe to cross the cr line on and some that arnt
Unfortunately there are some wankers, and Kindy Mums In SUVs(TM), that don't know the difference.
CookMySock
4th May 2009, 09:14
Perhaps this is because I spent 9 months recovering from a motorcycle accident where I “came out of nowhere” and two years on I'm still unable to do all the things I'd like to due to the results of the crash.It is fair to feel angry about some idiot who did that to you. If I could get up off the road after that, he would have been in worse shape than me. But I don't think it's fair to suggest that all line-crossers care nothing about everyone elses' safety or their own. I think we are all better off on our side of the road, but for the police to target just one corner where it is just a little too easy to nick the centreline is pretty clearly revenue gathering. That's similar to hiding a speed camera on a long downhill straight with a passing lane on it. :crazy: That camera is gunna have a fucked sphincter on it at the end of the day.
HOWEVER, if some asshole is taking three quarters of the opposing lane using race-track type cornering through blind corners, they deserve anything the fuzz can throw at them. Thats just fucking dangerous for everyone.
The person who crossed the center line and caused my accident had 40 years of spotless driving behind him. 40 years of spotless driving? Or 40 years of forming a bad habit?Sounds to me like some old cunt living out his misspent youth. The oldies can be really dangerous on the roads. I had one old cunt intentionally ram me many years ago, and he voluntarily handed in his license after that. (I actually think he was "persuaded" to by the fuzz.) I am surprised that oldies aren't given some speshal training on this type of vulnerability.
Sorry to hear about your crash. Thats horrible mate.
regards,
Steve
Katman
4th May 2009, 09:17
Interesting that everyone seems to have conveniently ignored the point that Virago made, that motorcyclists are forever crossing the centreline on right hand corners even though their wheels might not.
And those that say corners with good road visibility are safe to cross the centreline on, are forgetting about the vehicle that might turn left out of a driveway (that isn't so visible) on the other side of the road, without looking to their left as they weren't expecting anyone to be on their side of the road in that direction.
Interesting that everyone seems to have conveniently ignored the point that Virago made, that motorcyclists are forever crossing the centreline on right hand corners even though their wheels might not.
And those that say corners with good road visibility are safe to cross the centreline on, are forgetting about the vehicle that might turn left out of a driveway (that isn't so visible) on the other side of the road, without looking to their left as they weren't expecting anyone to be on their side of the road in that direction.
Both supremely valid points, but in the case of the latter what if it is a country road that you know, has clear line of sight through a series of corners where there is (and never will be due to the terrain etc) no driveways etc?
(Just playing Devil's advocate here) :)
Both supremely valid points, but in the case of the latter what if it is a country road that you know, has clear line of sight through a series of corners where there is (and never will be due to the terrain etc) no driveways etc?
(Just playing Devil's advocate here) :)
Errr. Still illegal (me playing Devil's advocate too :whistle:)
Mikkel
4th May 2009, 11:58
Errr. Still illegal (me playing Devil's advocate too :whistle:)
It isn't illegal to cross the center-line. You may have to indicate for 3 seconds prior to crossing though...
Otherwise overtaking would be illegal.
It isn't illegal to cross the center-line. You may have to indicate for 3 seconds prior to crossing though...
Otherwise overtaking would be illegal.
Yes, I believe the actual charge would be failing to keep left because as Mikkel points out it is not actually illegal to cross the centre line, as long as it's a white line of course.
I can certainly understand the Police in the South Island getting frustrated as the attached two pics taken in the Kawerau Gorge show the extent of the problem. Now in these pics the vehicles are completely illegal as not only have they crossed the centre line completely, it's also a double yellow line.
The guy on the bike should be very ashamed. Without knowing the exact corner I'd say it was fairly obvious that you would not have 100 metres clear visibility either - madness!
Mikkel
4th May 2009, 12:51
I can certainly understand the Police in the South Island getting frustrated as the attached two pics taken in the Kawerau Gorge show the extent of the problem. Now in these pics the vehicles are completely illegal as not only have they crossed the centre line completely, it's also a double yellow line.
The guy on the bike should be very ashamed. Without knowing the exact corner I'd say it was fairly obvious that you would not have 100 metres clear visibility either - madness!
The white van is a campervan... so a tourist. They just drive on the right-hand side, all of them. Everyone knows that!
Probably doesn't speak english either...
The white van is a campervan... so a tourist. They just drive on the right-hand side, all of them. Everyone knows that!
Probably doesn't speak english either...
Not to mention that white vans are second only to Volvo's on the posing a danger to other road users scale..... :laugh:
ducatilover
4th May 2009, 14:31
Interesting that everyone seems to have conveniently ignored the point that Virago made, that motorcyclists are forever crossing the centreline on right hand corners even though their wheels might not.
I try not to do that also. I remeber back when I was in Wainui people always hung their heads into our lane going up the hill. Same with the rimutakas too, scary shit.
scumdog
4th May 2009, 17:09
Yes, I believe the actual charge would be failing to keep left because as Mikkel points out it is not actually illegal to cross the centre line, as long as it's a white line of course.
I can certainly understand the Police in the South Island getting frustrated as the attached two pics taken in the Kawerau Gorge show the extent of the problem. Now in these pics the vehicles are completely illegal as not only have they crossed the centre line completely, it's also a double yellow line.
The guy on the bike should be very ashamed. Without knowing the exact corner I'd say it was fairly obvious that you would not have 100 metres clear visibility either - madness!
Those pics look like the Kawarau Gorge is not a good place to be cutting corners....
And NOBODY ever cuts a corner that they can't see completely around, 100% of the time, right????
alanzs
4th May 2009, 17:16
Cutting corners is a great way to get killed or to kill someone else. A friend was killed a couple years ago on a bike when someone accidently cut the corner a wee bit. Just enough to kill her as she sat on the back of the bike.
And, we live to ride again another day...
Gareth123
4th May 2009, 17:16
It is fair to feel angry about some idiot who did that to you. If I could get up off the road after that, he would have been in worse shape than me. But I don't think it's fair to suggest that all line-crossers care nothing about everyone elses' safety or their own. I think we are all better off on our side of the road, but for the police to target just one corner where it is just a little too easy to nick the centreline is pretty clearly revenue gathering. That's similar to hiding a speed camera on a long downhill straight with a passing lane on it. :crazy: That camera is gunna have a fucked sphincter on it at the end of the day.
HOWEVER, if some asshole is taking three quarters of the opposing lane using race-track type cornering through blind corners, they deserve anything the fuzz can throw at them. Thats just fucking dangerous for everyone.
Sounds to me like some old cunt living out his misspent youth. The oldies can be really dangerous on the roads. I had one old cunt intentionally ram me many years ago, and he voluntarily handed in his license after that. (I actually think he was "persuaded" to by the fuzz.) I am surprised that oldies aren't given some speshal training on this type of vulnerability.
Sorry to hear about your crash. Thats horrible mate.
regards,
Steve
I'm not angry at him, just frustrated. My accident happened a couple of years ago, I'm over it. Bygones be bygones and all that. It just makes me wonder how people think that crossing the center line isn't a big deal. They are breaking the law. It's like getting caught speeding doing 61km/h. They still moan even though the limit is 50km/h. I can understand where they are coming from, I just can't support their arguments
Maybe my accident has biased me towards a certain point of view.
dangerous
4th May 2009, 18:27
but for the police to target just one corner where it is just a little too easy to nick the centreline is pretty clearly revenue gathering. That's similar to hiding a speed camera on a long downhill straight with a passing lane on it.
Not quite... every corner is like the one they wer set up on and the roads 50k long... according to you any one of the 1000+ corners on that strech of road would be revenus gathering... were actually the corner they chose was the safest place to be, lots of room and clear visability.
Cutting corners is a great way to get killed or to kill someone else. A friend was killed a couple years ago on a bike when someone accidently cut the corner a wee bit. Just enough to kill her as she sat on the back of the bike.
And, we live to ride again another day...ya know... we post such as you have yet those that cut the corners still dont get it, they still think its ok :bash:
Beemer
4th May 2009, 20:28
Driving down to Waikanae today was an experience I could have done without. Got about 5kms from home and noticed a truck driving towards me and thought "shit, he's got one wheel over the centre line and he's still coming towards me!"
I then glanced up at the driver and noticed he was looking at something on a clipboard propped up on the steering wheel. I immediately started moving towards the left and he must have hit a cat's eye or something as he suddenly dropped the clipboard and swerved back into his own lane. Arsehole.
People who cross the centre line piss me off more than just about anyone else on the road.
I found the kuranda range in cairns interesting when I was living there, has a lot of similaritys to rimutakas and I can see them doing this here at some point, the kurandas are camera'd and apparently there is an $80 aus fine for each wheel that crosses, found it funny because a bike can do it at half the fine of a car:laugh:
FJRider
4th May 2009, 21:39
Those pics look like the Kawarau Gorge is not a good place to be cutting corners....
And NOBODY ever cuts a corner that they can't see completely around, 100% of the time, right????
Some things are not as bad as some may think... pictured is another view of that very same corner, from a different angle. Looking in the direction those vehicles were travelling.
Some things are not as bad as some may think... pictured is another view of that very same corner, from a different angle. Looking in the direction those vehicles were travelling.
As you are more local to that area than I, can you point out which direction through there those vehicles would have been travelling in your pic - towards or away from the camera?
In your shot if I assume that the vehicles are heading away from camera it seems like there would still be a momentary blindspot, even though you can see further ahead than the shots I posted indicated.
Mind you, regardless - they are still double yellow lines and that guy on the bike should be shot with a ball of his own shit! :)
Some things are not as bad as some may think... pictured is another view of that very same corner, from a different angle. Looking in the direction those vehicles were travelling.
But what if a farmer came out of a side road? Or a horde of small children ran out in fron tof the vehicles ?
Those pics look like the Kawarau Gorge is not a good place to be cutting corners....
And NOBODY ever cuts a corner that they can't see completely around, 100% of the time, right????
I know you're taking the piss, but it is bloody scary how many people you see overtaking on blind corners, blind hill brows, on double yellow lines and sometimes with oncoming traffic! I'm not sure whether some of these people are just plain stupid or if they have a death wish.....hmmm maybe it's a combo....
ducatilover
4th May 2009, 21:57
But what if a farmer came out of a side road? Or a horde of small children ran out in fron tof the vehicles ?
Mow em down ;)
But what if a farmer came out of a side road? Or a horde of small children ran out in fron tof the vehicles ?
Even though the likelihood of that happening on that stretch of road (doesn't appear to be any side roads or parking areas etc, though FJRider could confirm?) I take your point - on the odd occasion that I might cross the centreline I always use the 100m clear visibility rule - or in even simpler terms I try not to ride at speeds or in a situation where I cannot stop in the length of road visible ahead.
For instance just looking at that pic of FJ's, how do you know there isn't a car just taking off from the side of the road obscured by that bluff on the right or perhaps a slow moving tractor or similar.
I find I spend a lot of time on the road thinking about the possibilities of what may lie around the next bend etc.
Something I never did as a youth, those thoughts seem quite alien when you are young and bulletproof!
FJRider
4th May 2009, 22:00
In your shot if I assume that the vehicles are heading away from camera it seems like there would still be a momentary blindspot, even though you can see further ahead than the shots I posted indicated.
As I said in my original post... the photo is looking in the direction those vechicles were travelling... (away from my camera)
NO side roads or gateways for another 2 km's. Cliff on one side... river on the other. Nowhere for any hordes of kids to come from.
Yes ... I know there is double yellow lines...
As I said in my original post... the photo is looking in the direction those vechicles were travelling... (away from my camera)
NO side roads or gateways for another 2 km's. Cliff on one side... river on the other. Nowhere for any hordes of kids to come from.
Yes ... I know there is double yellow lines...
Doh....missed the bleeding obvious (time for another beer! lol) :)
Even though the likelihood of that happening on that stretch of road (doesn't appear to be any side roads or parking areas etc, though FJRider could confirm?) I take your point - on the odd occasion that I might cross the centreline I always use the 100m clear visibility rule - or in even simpler terms I try not to ride at speeds or in a situation where I cannot stop in the length of road visible ahead.
For instance just looking at that pic of FJ's, how do you know there isn't a car just taking off from the side of the road obscured by that bluff on the right or perhaps a slow moving tractor or similar.
I find I spend a lot of time on the road thinking about the possibilities of what may lie around the next bend etc.
Something I never did as a youth, those thoughts seem quite alien when you are young and bulletproof!
Uh, I *was* extracting the michael, actually. Though one never knows where those inter-dimensional wormholes will pop up and disgorge farmers and children .
FJRider
4th May 2009, 22:11
I just said it wasn't as bad... NOT it was OK...
I never get sick of that road... unless it's raining, or frosty... which occasionally it is.
Uh, I *was* extracting the michael, actually. Though one never knows where those inter-dimensional wormholes will pop up and disgorge farmers and children .
Yeah I know (re pisstake) but my point concurs with your wormhole comment, you really don't know what may be lurking behind that one obscured bit of road, might not be farmers or hordes of kids but in that location could easily be tourists on pushbikes riding two abreast.
fact remains if you can't see the road then you don't know what's on it, or not for that matter! :)
unless it's raining, or frosty... which occasionally it is.
In the South Island??? :shit::whistle:
FJRider
4th May 2009, 22:22
Its paradise down here... just not quite perfect paradise. If it was... the Harley riders would wave. :wacko:
ducatilover
4th May 2009, 22:28
Its paradise down here... just not quite perfect paradise. If it was... the Harley riders would wave. :wacko:
I must trip down south one day.
Brian d marge
4th May 2009, 23:51
3 million savages, far too many for my liking
I'm going back to Rourkes ridge, the mail will be arriving soon
Stephen
dangerous
5th May 2009, 06:07
As I said in my original post... the photo is looking in the direction those vechicles were travelling... (away from my camera)
NO side roads or gateways for another 2 km's. Cliff on one side... river on the other. Nowhere for any hordes of kids to come from.
Yes ... I know there is double yellow lines...
Some things are not as bad as some may think... pictured is another view of that very same corner, from a different angle. Looking in the direction those vehicles were travelling. so farking what???
think about a squid in his tootpast tube knee down booting it towards you as you cut the corner... do you honestly think you would see squidledidly comming, be able to react in time? that aint no desert road man.
FJRider
5th May 2009, 17:31
so farking what???
think about a squid in his tootpast tube knee down booting it towards you as you cut the corner... do you honestly think you would see squidledidly comming, be able to react in time? that aint no desert road man.
Refer to post #63.
scumdog
5th May 2009, 17:36
Some things are not as bad as some may think... pictured is another view of that very same corner, from a different angle. Looking in the direction those vehicles were travelling.
Nothing like cutting a corner when you 'knew' had nothing coming towards you - only to discover a camper-van just taking off from a stop to take pictures while in the area not visible....:crazy:
dangerous
5th May 2009, 19:14
Nothing like cutting a corner when you 'knew' had nothing coming towards you - only to discover a camper-van just taking off from a stop to take pictures while in the area not visible....:crazy:
and then... some poor farker like ya self gets to clean the mess up, funny how those that condone crossing the center line / straight lining have a very selfish way of thinking, ie: every action has a reaction, but no they are only worried about them selves.
Refer to post #63. ummm, tells me nothing.
FJRider
5th May 2009, 19:39
so farking what???
think about a squid in his tootpast tube knee down booting it towards you as you cut the corner... do you honestly think you would see squidledidly comming, be able to react in time? that aint no desert road man.
#63 refers to the fact that I did not condone crossing the centre line... double yellow or not. I Stated it (the original photo ) was not as bad as it first seemed. NOT it was ok to do so.
Actually on that particular corner, by the time any advantage is to be gained by cutting that corner, your speed will be about 80 km/hr, and also, anybody on the other side of the road (stopped or approaching), will be very visible.
That is no desert road true. To keep a regular forward speed of 100 km/hr on that road is difficult to maintain for any vehicle. No matter how good the pilot or vehicle is...
That corner is one of the better corners in the Kawarau gorge. There are more on that road a lot worse...
dangerous
5th May 2009, 20:34
#63 refers to the fact...
yeah Im with ya, and I do relise that the 2 photos showen that the bike might be passing the cage cos the cage is damn near at a stand still (or the cage could be doing ya 80+ k's) however the van apaires to have no reason what so ever to need to cross the center as it is, that sort of shit like with bikes is what I despise.
FLYMO
12th May 2009, 18:41
to all that like the takaka hill for a ride(last great twisty road)
theres 3 places they have been seen setting up a camera in the scrub and theres been a few reports of peeps getting caught too
3umph
12th May 2009, 22:39
Nothing like cutting a corner when you 'knew' had nothing coming towards you - only to discover a camper-van just taking off from a stop to take pictures while in the area not visible....:crazy:
yip.... farked if i would pass there...
I know they spend quite a bit of time just south of Blenhiem with the camera on the hill....
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