Buying into brands

[carver]

common among harley, buell and triumph owners...

getting all the branded gear, supporting the brand, wanking on about how this brand is so much better then the rest.

guzzi riders dont seem to do it!
its not to common among the japanese brands, not to the same extent.

being loyal to the brand, riding with only the other people that ride the same kind of bike....

what the fuck is wrong with you that you have subscribe to a corporation like triumph.

with statements like

"i brought a triumph because it has heritage, and im of British decent "

"i just wont be seen on a jappa, if my mates see me il never live it down"

"im still loyal to the H-D brand"

why do you feel the need to be part of something like this, are your lives so empty you have to be spoon fed marketing and products to feel a part of something so superficial?

[mynameis]

carver for PM :lol:

[FJRider]

why do you feel the need to be part of something like this, are your lives so empty you have to be spoon fed marketing and products to feel a part of something so superficial?

Its to do with disposable income... and image. With some(as you said)marketing thrown into the mix. So get back on your Jog, and wear the honda logo with pride.

[Timber020]

Some people lack identity so try to buy it through the crap they own. Pretty simple really

[yod]

yeah, like those people, also lacking in identity, who make up a 'crew' and plaster it's name across KB endlessly

gee, who'd do that?

[Slyer]

I buy what I like most, regardless of brand.
If a particular brand has proven themselves to be worthy to me in the past though, I am likely to stick with them.

[Big Dave]

One of these days you might be able to afford nice stuff too.

[ducatilover]

I buy what tickles my man fanny. Honda or not.:wacko:

[Owl]

You trolling again Carver?:whistle:

I love my Triumph, however I've never ridden with only Triumph's..........ever! I guess I'm not a very good Triumph Rat member, but I get a magazine or at least I used to.
I like a lot of Jap bikes too and Harley's, Buell's, Aprillia's etc, so in fact I'm not a die hard Triumph man after all!

Thank's Carver for helping me see the light.:niceone: I'll sell the Trumpy right away!:yes:

[NZsarge]

Thank's Carver for helping me see the light.:niceone: I'll sell the Trumpy right away!:yes:

Yeah dude! And buy a Kawasaki coz Kawasaki's RULE!! And Yamaha's and I guess there are the odd nice Honda and ok maybe a Suzuki or two, the Triumph Tiger is nice and the Speed Triple too... not to mention the Street Triple.. Oh and the KTM SuperDuke.. But that's it!! Can't ride withe you if you anything else but these... :whistle:

[carver]

yeah, like those people, also lacking in identity, who make up a 'crew' and plaster it's name across KB endlessly

gee, who'd do that?

were doing gods work, it different, its more a passion!


One of these days you might be able to afford nice stuff too.

like the beta i just brought?

[mctshirt]

why do you feel the need to be part of something like this, are your lives so empty you have to be spoon fed marketing and products to feel a part of something so superficial?

As much as I make fun of my "where's my Harley shirt because I must wear it when riding" mates the fact is HD accessories are readily available and (sometimes) affordable. Sort of a 'they do cause they can' situation whereas other manufacturer's don't market anything like that on the same scale. Sort of a 'they couldn't if they wanted to' situation.

Another reason the baby boomers choose British and American bikes is they still carry rightly or wrongly to a lesser or greater degree of prejudice towards the WWII enemy of their parents generation. ANZAC spirit was built on the death of young men like yourself and buying Jappers is considered condoning what happened in the war. Rightly or wrongly it's a very real emotion.

Moving forward to Generation X the prejudice could be Made in Japan used to mean what Made in China does now. The Japanese haven't always churned out quality reliable machines although the same prejudice could be levelled at HD and British bikes but Easy Rider was a cool movie.

Believe it or not some stuff happened before you were born which shaped opinions today...

[slofox]

This can be explained by "Cognitive Dissonance" theory...

As some have already said, it is to do with identity and acceptance by the peer group. The theory goes that, as social animules, we all want to "belong" and be accepted by our peers. So we try to do what will get us accepted. It also explains why people with one product will try to talk everyone else into buying the same - then they feel as thought they are an accepted part of the group...simple really innit?

Funny what you remember forty years on...:crazy:

[slofox]

Another reason the baby boomers choose British and American bikes is they still carry rightly or wrongly to a lesser or greater degree of prejudice towards the WWII enemy of their parents generation. ANZAC spirit was built on the death of young men like yourself and buying Jappers is considered condoning what happened in the war. Rightly or wrongly it's a very real emotion.



Not me bro...baby boomer or not...history is history - get on with now, is my angle...

[The Stranger]

being loyal to the brand, riding with only the other people that ride the same kind of bike....



It doesn't start out this way, but when you come to the realisation that you bought an over priced POS and are unable to keep up with the other brands what the hell can you do?

[Dodgyiti]

I dunno about the 'Guzzi Riders Don't' statement.

I bought a Guzzi last year that had Guzzi plastered all over it!

Normally a Guzzi will have name badges-
2 x tank
2 x rocker cover
1 x tail section
1 x alternator cover

This bike had additionally from the previous owner-

2 x pannier
1 x seat back
1 x rear guard
2 x front guard
1 x tank top
1 x starter cover
4 x foot rest rubbers
2 x crash bar stickers

It was bloody everywhere!!

I managed to peel a few off but most were clear coated over.

Then I sold it, so ultimatly Carver, your right.

I hate labels, I often cut them off (or un-pick the stitching) my riding gear if I can (sorry Quasi/Givi/Leda/Garne etc), I don't want to be known for what I wear/ride or put in a $ bracket.
My bikes are what I like, and my gear is what I percieve to be good for me and my safety/comfort.
I would wear a Triumph jacket if the quality/fit/safety/price was right. And wear it on my Yammie or one of my Guzzis

[Hitcher]

I am a motorcyclist. I ride bikes that I enjoy.

I have yet to ride a bike that I hate. I have ridden many that have disappointed.

[Dooly]

I have 2 Triumphs and a Ducati.
Everyone I ride with pretty well all ride Jappas. No prob with me, each to what they like. I've had Japs.
I turn up to the RAT ride here and hardly any Triumphs turn up here, usually Jap bikes.
Triumph make cool shirts and things, I have several Ts, and my main riding leather jacket is Triumph branded. Its comfy, armoured, fits well, and is subtle with its branding, love it.
Just a matter for me if you like something, buy/do it.
Fuck what everyone else thinks.

Mind you was down at a HD dealership recently and could'nt believe the price of HD gear, like jackets etc.
Holy shit, thought Triumph stuff was pricey!

[carver]

It doesn't start out this way, but when you come to the realisation that you bought an over priced POS and are unable to keep up with the other brands what the hell can you do?

haha, nice

i dont really support any brand, every brand has good and bad bikes.

i have had good and bad kawasaki's

im interested to see how this beta stacks up

[James Deuce]

Moto Guzzi riders don't wear Moto Guzzi branded gear, because they don't want to end up at their destination partially clothed.

[tri boy]

Most recent bike in the garage was given to me.
I don't buy into anything i don't want to.

Pass the collection plate, and praise the lord..........NOT!

[svr]

In '89 I rode from LA to Daytona on a GS1100, and checked into a campground for speed week. Over a few buds that night a couple of HD riders started ribbing me about riding a `jappa', and therefore not being a `real biker', which bemused me, as I had actually ridden 3,000 miles there and was told they had driven 400 odd in RVs and trailered their bikes pretty much everywhere. The noise of the `real bikers' hairdriers in the mens showers every morning was deafening.

Not sure why people are so loyal to corporate brands - corporations sure don't give fuck about you!

[Headbanger]

I generally dislike people no matter what brand they ride.

I bought a HD because they make the bike that I want to ride.

[carver]

Moto Guzzi riders don't wear Moto Guzzi branded gear, because they don't want to end up at their destination partially clothed.

well, yes, thats a good point, tried quasi gear?


In '89 I rode from LA to Daytona on a GS1100, and checked into a campground for speed week. Over a few buds that night a couple of HD riders started ribbing me about riding a `jappa', and therefore not being a `real biker', which bemused me, as I had actually ridden 3,000 miles there and was told they had driven 400 odd in RVs and trailered their bikes pretty much everywhere. The noise of the `real bikers' hairdriers in the mens showers every morning was deafening.

Not sure why people are so loyal to corporate brands - corporations sure don't give fuck about you!

ah yes, thats big in the us, trailering bikes, fuck, i ride my trials bikes on the road!

posers eh!
its strange to have events and rides for one make, model of bike.

[The Stranger]

i dont really support any brand, every brand has good and bad bikes.



I do support some brands in principal.
Over time I get to see and experience various things that sway my view.

For example, if in doubt about electronics I buy Philips.
Why?
They have been pioneers and innovators and rarely (actually never) have I experienced an unreliable product from them. I know they had a bad rep on TV's and accept that is the case, no doubt also some have had a bad product from time to time from them. However I still believe that on the balance of probabilities if you buy Philips, you wont be disappointed with the quality.

Yamaha have for about 50yrs now been developing engines for and with Toyota and look at Toyota's reputation for reliability. Yamaha outboards are excellent, Yamaha wave runners are good, Yamaha motorbikes have not infrequently led the pack in a new direction.
Again, all things being equal. I'll choose Yamaha.

[usa-vtwin]

I own a Harley and theirs no way I would be seen with a Harley belt buckle, Harley boots, Harley bandanna etc...And there's no Harley table lamp in my lounge or Harley phone on my desk. I confess I own a Harley Jacket but I do ride my bike with out it more often than not. I loves Harleys but I didn't want to be a Harley shrine.

[Molly]

common among harley, buell and triumph owners...getting all the branded gear, supporting the brand, wanking on about how this brand is so much better then the rest. guzzi riders dont seem to do it! its not to common among the japanese brands, not to the same extent.being loyal to the brand, riding with only the other people that ride the same kind of bike....what the fuck is wrong with you that you have subscribe to a corporation like triumph.


Mate. Why do you give a shit? The world is full of wankers (or just people who choose to do things a different way). So what? There are worse sins than buying a Harley t-shirt.

I have a KTM jacket but no KTM (it's just a f'kin' good jacket). I've also got a (discrete) Harley jacket that did a good job when I slid down the road in it. I like to wear it on my Guzzi so I look like a wannabe... ;-)

[carver]

I do support some brands in principal.
Over time I get to see and experience various things that sway my view.

For example, if in doubt about electronics I buy Philips.
Why?
They have been pioneers and innovators and rarely (actually never) have I experienced an unreliable product from them. I know they had a bad rep on TV's and accept that is the case, no doubt also some have had a bad product from time to time from them. However I still believe that on the balance of probabilities if you buy Philips, you wont be disappointed with the quality.

Yamaha have for about 50yrs now been developing engines for and with Toyota and look at Toyota's reputation for reliability. Yamaha outboards are excellent, Yamaha wave runners are good, Yamaha motorbikes have not infrequently led the pack in a new direction.
Again, all things being equal. I'll choose Yamaha.

i buy panasonic!

for the same reasons

however, i buy what works for me, i hate the ER5, loved the ER6, hated the DRZ 250, abused the 400SM....

ah well, i dont hate yamaha, just my local dealers are such wankers!




I own a Harley and theirs no way I would be seen with a Harley belt buckle, Harley boots, Harley bandanna etc...And there's no Harley table lamp in my lounge or Harley phone on my desk. I confess I own a Harley Jacket but I do ride my bike with out it more often than not. I loves Harleys but I didn't want to be a Harley shrine.

good on ya man, it just makes me laugh at the people i see with all the genuine gear all over em

[carver]

Mate. Why do you give a shit? The world is full of wankers (or just people who choose to do things a different way). So what? There are worse sins than buying a Harley t-shirt.

I have a KTM jacket but no KTM (it's just a f'kin' good jacket). I've also got a (discrete) Harley jacket that did a good job when I slid down the road in it. I like to wear it on my Guzzi so I look like a wannabe... ;-)

you do, your talking about it with me, telling us about your own experiences with this subject.

i just asked the question

[Headbanger]

When I was a youngster I entertained myself by roaring around town on my Honda while wearing a Harley Jersey.

It ruffled feathers in both camps, especially down the local Harley Bar, Then I'd top it off by telling people to get fucked.

Sort of outgrown that sort of carry on, I no longer own any Honda's.

[doc]

with statements like

"i brought a triumph because it has heritage, and im of British decent "

"i just wont be seen on a jappa, if my mates see me il never live it down"

"im still loyal to the H-D brand"


Ask them what car they drive

[ital916]

I like harleys....dont mind branded gear...come to think of it all the gear I have is "branded" so to say, revit, sidi, davida...etc.

Hmmm went to amps the other day, now I really like harleys...and triumphs....on the fence bout buells.........will have to ride a few at the end of the year.

[carver]

I like harleys....dont mind branded gear...come to think of it all the gear I have is "branded" so to say, revit, sidi, davida...etc.

Hmmm went to amps the other day, now I really like harleys...and triumphs....on the fence bout buells.........will have to ride a few at the end of the year.

the buells i have ridden were shit!

[devo]

the buells i have ridden were shit!

Which of course is your opinion and you are completely entitled to have it, as are all the people who ride buells and obviously disagree with you.
Have gotta think tho, if your right and there wrong, how come buell are still building bikes.
To each there own my friend, I think they call it democracy.

[Headbanger]

the buells i have ridden were shit!

In your opinion, and I hate to break it to you kiddo, Your opinion doesn't hold much water, Your claim to fame is for being a novelty act.

For a worthy opinion on bikes I'd ask Big Dave who just happens to think very highly of Buells.

[Hailwood]

In your opinion, and I hate to break it to you kiddo, Your opinion doesn't hold much water, Your claim to fame is for being a novelty act.

For a worthy opinion on bikes I'd ask Big Dave who just happens to think very highly of Buells.

You mean the Moron Few arent the be all and end all? Oh no say it isnt so..and here I was thinking that carver wasnt trolling!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Pastor]

"i brought a triumph because it has heritage, and im of British decent "



sounds EXCATLY like indy there.

[ukusa]

getting all the branded gear, supporting the brand, wanking on about how this brand is so much better then the rest.

It's no different realy to the Holden/Ford tossers (Holden mostly) who seem to wear every piece of clothing ever made by their favourite car.

Personaly, there's nothing wrong with wearing a brand, but you can look like a cock if you have head to toe covered in the same brand.

[Molly]

Why don't all the anti-Harley (or anti-anything for that matter) people on this forum go form a support group?

Like it or not, all bikers (and by that I mean all people who own and ride motorbikes) may just need to stand together some day when legislators seek to curb our enthusiasm. The petty anti-this, anti-that, negative bollocks that surfaces every f'kin' day on this forum gives me the shits.

It's fair to say that for most of us, the ONLY thing we've got in common is our passion for two wheels. Outside of that, well, why should there be anything else? So why be surprised if you find you think other bikers are dicks. They probably are. Get over it.

[AD345]

Well I only have a Victory bike

and gloves

and a vest

and a coffee cup


But thats all!!

[Molly]

Victory? Nice. How do you like it?

[The Stranger]

Why don't all the anti-Harley (or anti-anything for that matter) people on this forum go form a support group?

Like it or not, all bikers (and by that I mean all people who own and ride motorbikes) may just need to stand together some day when legislators seek to curb our enthusiasm. The petty anti-this, anti-that, negative bollocks that surfaces every f'kin' day on this forum gives me the shits.

It's fair to say that for most of us, the ONLY thing we've got in common is our passion for two wheels. Outside of that, well, why should there be anything else? So why be surprised if you find you think other bikers are dicks. They probably are. Get over it.

O...K... Put the bottle down and back slowly away from the keyboard.

[AD345]

Victory? Nice. How do you like it?


I love it to pieces



Smooth


Torque for Africa


Unique (ish)


Whats not to like?

[Maha]

It's no different realy to the Holden/Ford tossers (Holden mostly) who seem to wear every piece of clothing ever made by their favourite car.

Personaly, there's nothing wrong with wearing a brand, but you can look like a cock if you have head to toe covered in the same brand.

Reckon!!!
Saw some twat at a pub a few years ago, turned up on a Ducati, in a Ducati one-piece, Italian themed lid, he looked a rather tall Red Riding Hood.

Now, I own a Honda, and at times wear a Yamaha T Shirt (shock/horror) and have had the odd comment ''got ya brands mixed up aint cha''? by some random joe public....

[AllanB]

but you can look like a cock if you have head to toe covered in the same brand.


Yeah but Carver wants to know which brand makes your cock look bigger.

[ducatilover]

Yeah but Carver wants to know which brand makes your cock look bigger.

In that case so do I :whistle:

[AllanB]

I still want to get a new Norton T-shirt (wore the old one out).

I like the logo.

[Molly]

I love it to pieces. Smooth. Torque for Africa. Unique (ish). Whats not to like?

Yet to read a bad review. Think their presence is growing.

[ducatilover]

Yet to read a bad review. Think their presence is growing.

Perhaps this is why they named it the victory? Or would that be pure coincidence?

[AD345]

Yet to read a bad review. Think their presence is growing.

There's a some longer term tests coming up in a Hammer S in the near future.

I'm looking forward to reading them

[ukusa]

Yeah but Carver wants to know which brand makes your cock look bigger.

the missus reckons the one i've got now, but I reckon I can still gain an extra inch or 3

[The Stranger]

the missus reckons the one i've got now, but I reckon I can still gain an extra inch or 3

I'm sure the extra 50% will be welcomed.

[carver]

Get a buell to race my old hi kms gixxer!

[carver]

Which of course is your opinion and you are completely entitled to have it, as are all the people who ride buells and obviously disagree with you.
Have gotta think tho, if your right and there wrong, how come buell are still building bikes.
To each there own my friend, I think they call it democracy.

the only one i have ridden was the CR, i hated it!
i have a friend with a old XB9, i guess some people like the "character" of them


In your opinion, and I hate to break it to you kiddo, Your opinion doesn't hold much water, Your claim to fame is for being a novelty act.

For a worthy opinion on bikes I'd ask Big Dave who just happens to think very highly of Buells.

well, that sums it up, ask someone who will agree with you.
as for claims to fame, there is a bit more to me than what you see here.



You mean the Moron Few arent the be all and end all? Oh no say it isnt so..and here I was thinking that carver wasnt trolling!!!!!!!!!!!!!


the mormon few will own.....


Yeah but Carver wants to know which brand makes your cock look bigger.

ah, i ride it


GSXR1000

[Headbanger]

well, that sums it up, ask someone who will agree with you.
as for claims to fame, there is a bit more to me than what you see here.



I don't like Buells, I respect Big Daves opinions.

If I were to go in that direction I'd have a Speed Triple.

[ducatilover]

Get a buell to race my old hi kms gixxer!

Some idiot will. I will be selling tickets;)

[Big Dave]

I wish there was a better selection of Buell gear available.

[Big Dave]

I don't like Buells, I respect Big Daves opinions.


If I fitted on a Stripple I would own one.
To some extent I use the XB12X as a Speed Triple for Tall people.

I rated the CB1000R highly too.

[carver]

I don't like Buells, I respect Big Daves opinions.

If I were to go in that direction I'd have a Speed Triple.

so why dont you like them?


Some idiot will. I will be selling tickets;)

whats the odds


If I fitted on a Stripple I would own one.
To some extent I use the XB12X as a Speed Triple for Tall people.

I rated the CB1000R highly too.

yes, the Predator was very good!

[Headbanger]

so why dont you like them?


Simply don't interest me. Buts thats not the point I was trying to make.

[LBD]

guzzi riders dont seem to do it!
its not to common among the japanese brands, not to the same extent.


Guess the jap riders riders know they don't have so much to be proud of....:dodge:....wait for it...:bash:



Saw some twat at a pub a few years ago, turned up on a Ducati, in a Ducati one-piece, Italian themed lid, he looked a rather tall Red Riding Hood.

Gulp:eek5: Time for a fashion evaluation....oh dear...3 duc shirts (pressies) cabin luggage, back pack, ...phew not so bad really.

[carver]

Simply don't interest me. Buts thats not the point I was trying to make.

so what is your point-i know nothing about motorcycles?

[Headbanger]

so what is your point-i know nothing about motorcycles?

The point was that a bike isn't shit and worthy of nothing but condemnation because it doesn't fit your extremely narrow view of what a motorcycle should be. Voicing such an opinion renders your opinion worthless.

Never fear, Its a condition experienced by many GSX owners, past and present.

And I do enjoy many of your video's....for the novelty value.

[Big Dave]

empathy |ˈempəθē|
noun
the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
DERIVATIVES
empathetic |ˌempəˈθetik| adjective
empathetically |ˌempəˈθetik(ə)lē| adverb
empathic |emˈpaθik| adjective
empathically |emˈpaθik(ə)lē| adverb
ORIGIN early 20th cent.: from Greek empatheia (from em- ‘in’ + pathos ‘feeling’ ) translating German Einfühlung.

[duckonin]

I own a Harley and theirs no way I would be seen with a Harley belt buckle, Harley boots, Harley bandanna etc...And there's no Harley table lamp in my lounge or Harley phone on my desk. I confess I own a Harley Jacket but I do ride my bike with out it more often than not. I loves Harleys but I didn't want to be a Harley shrine.
I don't own a Harley but I do wear a Harley bandana and a T shirt some times, both were presents from the States..Who cares not I ;)

[The Stranger]

The point was that a bike isn't shit and worthy of nothing but condemnation because it doesn't fit your extremely narrow view of what a motorcycle should be. Voicing such an opinion renders your opinion worthless.


Hmm, personally I value the opinion of someone whom calls a spade a spade.

The readers already know Carver's bias, so can easily allow for that.
When I get old and retire and am frightened by corners I will seek the honest opinion of someone re farting armchairs.

I stopped buying bike mags. The reviews suck. They spend all their time trying to think of new, clever and interesting ways to say the same old thing.
Honesty (as it relates to a magazine) is this.

The importer relies on the mags for marketing and the mags rely on the importers for marketing - it's a symbiotic relationship, they both rely on each other for their existence and income. The mags won't rock the boat, they do and they shoot themselves in the foot - which mag will get the next early release, the one that gave a good review last time or the one that told the truth? How can one value such an opinion over an honest opinion of a product?

[been_there]

If you don't want to support the "corporations"
buy the counterfeit stuff..:bash:

[Big Dave]

thing.
Honesty (as it relates to a magazine) is this.


And honestly - that is just bull.
If there is something wrong or dangerous - I'll write it and so will The Ed.
Never had to yet - everything has been fit for purpose.
Otherwise I try to identify the potential user of the vehicle and supply pertinent information, experience and opinion in a hopefully entertaining manner.

[Big Dave]

I just put on my Triumph Rocket III, micro weave thermal top - nice big R3 Tribal graphic on the back.

Excellent garment, warm light and resilient. Had it 5 years - still in near new condition with reasonably frequent wear.

Bottom half is Triumph kevlar lined jeans.

My favourites in the type of garment for comfort and fit. Stretch Denim with velcro seal cargo pockets and quite a nice slimline cut. Very comfortable on the bike, small, understated Triumph logo.

Jacket is Triumph Retro style. Also my current favourite. Old school style - modern CE armour and protection. My son even likes it.

Boots are Harley-Davidson Johnny rebs. They are $100 cheaper than Genuine Johnny Rebs. My favourite boots - just because.

Helmet, maybe Arai, Maybe Shoei, probably Davida.

Why do I buy into it. Because I like it.

[short-circuit]

And I do enjoy many of your video's....for the novelty value.

Fuck you're easily pleased.

No wonder NZ TV is so shite

[carver]

The point was that a bike isn't shit and worthy of nothing but condemnation because it doesn't fit your extremely narrow view of what a motorcycle should be. Voicing such an opinion renders your opinion worthless.

Never fear, Its a condition experienced by many GSX owners, past and present.

And I do enjoy many of your video's....for the novelty value.

typical cruiser rider, slag off sportsbike riders...

haha, the vids, yes, they are just a windup / humorous way of getting a stupid point across


Fuck you're easily pleased.

No wonder NZ TV is so shite

back of the y masterpiece television!

[short-circuit]

back of the y masterpiece television!

Don't flatter yourself. Even that tripe can be mildly amusing at times

[carver]

Don't flatter yourself. Even that tripe can be mildly amusing at times

i quite like it.
"the devil dared me to" was a great nz movie

[ducatilover]

i quite like it.
"the devil dared me to" was a great nz movie

Good bye pork pie :woohoo:

[LLEUB]

It's not about the bike :whocares:, it's about the journey :woohoo:

[carver]

Good bye pork pie :woohoo:

another great nz movie!