Hypothetical situation

[Patch]

Patch is getting upset when folk object to his racism.
how the fuck can I be racist? I ain't white fool.

[scumdog]

how the fuck can I be racist? I ain't white fool.

So dude, you is a black fool....???

[Hinny]

Do any of the other riders 'fess up to save Riders A and F?

Well firstly the police may not believe the confession. Something to consider.

Riders B and C could give evidence in court, supported by D and E for that matter, to say A and F did not perform wheelies. B and C would have to state they were the offenders.

There is a rule of law that statements given in Court are privileged. They cannot be used against you. Frederick Forsyth wrote an excellent short story based on this -"Privilege". Therefore an incriminating statement from the witness box can't be brought up in another hearing.

Warning: its be many years since I looked at the laws of evidence and there may be subtle changes. This requires proper legal advice.

I'm pretty sure charges can't be laid against the others as it has been more than six months since the offences. As Winston said, B & C need to be assured of this by getting proper legal advice. (FWIW - I have had two legal opinions to say that this is the case.)

If it is correct that they will not be charged then the accused have a very solid defence if B & C front up as defence witnesses.
Given that they are reasonable people I think that this is a distinct possibility. The more slander they get however, I would imagine them becoming more and more reticent about doing so.
FFS people show some sense. There is an easy solution that results in no tears for anyone. Win win.

[DUCATI*HARD]

OO.K....FIRSTLY...i have only met madness a handful of times and death breifly(both seem to be good people) now you could hardly call us friends....as for being responsable people...why should anyone be responsable for unresponsable people...eg; Death had no current wof and no rego which "by law" bike should not have been on the road...and madness does not hold the right class of license to ride his bike on the road...so all in all...hypothetically speaking both riders should not of been on the road in the first place!

[Cr1MiNaL]

Annd SECONDLY, there are a hundred threads on here of people getting fined and moaning about it later but fewer still of people bitching about it to friends and friends of friends. Grow up people - I don't think I even remember Madness, Death was merely an acquaintance - now you want us to do what? You guys have family issues? Why ride a bike and put yourself to such risk? Why do stupid things when you can't afford to? Begging for sympathy on a public forum haha...

Setting up a poll and a thread based on something someone said and inserting a "hypothetical" between the lines - I mean your not serious! Want the greater public's opinion ? What happened to using your own better judgment and making decisions for youself or better still - minding your own bloody business thats a start. And what is with all this racism... is this what you grew up learning? Most of you are twice my age and sadly I have no respect left for you. We have had a good chuckle reading all this bollocks! My number was freely available for those interested to call me, but no one did. No fucking surprise.

[smoky]

Is this thread still going?
:jerry:

[Scouse]

If I were doing stunts of some sort, then the plod came along and busted my mate (who wasn't doing stunts) I wouldn't fess up, but I would encourage him to go to court and challenge the police to prove it was him

If i was ripping along too fast and a my mate wasn't, the cop comes the other way, swings around a pings him for my speed - tough, I'm not putting my hand up (but I might offer to help pay the fine if they get a bit pissy with me)this just goes to prove that you are a weak spineless weasel a real man would fess up under all circumstances

[DEATH_INC.]

Death had no current wof and no rego which "by law" bike should not have been on the road...and madness does not hold the right class of license to ride his bike on the road...so all in all...hypothetically speaking both riders should not of been on the road in the first place!
That may be the case, I got done for those things too, and I accept that. But do you not think I was behaving myself so I wouldn't get busted? You guys did something stupid, we got busted for it. Simple.
Should we just hand your details to the cops then? Is that how you want to play this game?
Raj, grow the fuck up. The reason you're getting shit from everyone is your attitude. Think about it.

[White trash]

OO.K....FIRSTLY...i have only met madness a handful of times and death breifly(both seem to be good people) now you could hardly call us friends....as for being responsable people...why should anyone be responsable for unresponsable people...eg; Death had no current wof and no rego which "by law" bike should not have been on the road...and madness does not hold the right class of license to ride his bike on the road...so all in all...hypothetically speaking both riders should not of been on the road in the first place!


Annd SECONDLY, there are a hundred threads on here of people getting fined and moaning about it later but fewer still of people bitching about it to friends and friends of friends. Grow up people - I don't think I even remember Madness, Death was merely an acquaintance - now you want us to do what? You guys have family issues? Why ride a bike and put yourself to such risk? Why do stupid things when you can't afford to? Begging for sympathy on a public forum haha...

Setting up a poll and a thread based on something someone said and inserting a "hypothetical" between the lines - I mean your not serious! Want the greater public's opinion ? What happened to using your own better judgment and making decisions for youself or better still - minding your own bloody business thats a start. And what is with all this racism... is this what you grew up learning? Most of you are twice my age and sadly I have no respect left for you. We have had a good chuckle reading all this bollocks! My number was freely available for those interested to call me, but no one did. No fucking surprise.

What a pair of fucking tough cunts.

I'm simply loving the "I don't actually know them so it's fine for them to take the rap" approach. You too make me sick, no racisism there Raj, just disgust.

Oh, such and such bike's got no WOF, he deserves to get done for DD because I did a wheelie.

That other guy's got the wrong class of licence, he deserves to take my punishment too.

What a pair of slimy little shits. Glad you enjoy having a laugh at others misfortune. Bet you find the RIP and injury threads hilarious too.

Can't wait to catch up with either of you fuckers on the road.

Oh that's right, with your Valentino godlike skills I probably never will. I'll just wait till you winners lap me.

[smoky]

this just goes to prove that you are a weak spineless weasel a real man would fess up under all circumstances

Just shows how PC stupid you are then!
and talking about spineless weasels - what do you call someone who wastes all that energy getting so upset with someone on the internet, hiding behind abusive red reps (14 abusive red reps from you since 7 June - haven't you got a life?) now your trawling thru posts I made a month ago to try and give me more shit; when are you going to come out of the closet about being infatuated with sucking my dick

Riding a Triumph doesn't make you a man, just like riding a Honda doesn't mean you're gay

If you were a real man you'd grow up, and you'd come out of the closet about your sexuality

[DEATH_INC.]

just like riding a Honda doesn't mean you're gay
:shit: WTF???? When did this happen????

[Maha]

:shit: WTF???? When did this happen????


The day I purchased one.....madhood was reincarnated.....:shifty:

[smoky]

:shit: WTF???? When did this happen????

Ok ok - I was just trying to make a point, but your right - I can't change reality

[The Stranger]

Setting up a poll and a thread based on something someone said and inserting a "hypothetical" between the lines - I mean your not serious! Want the greater public's opinion ? What happened to using your own better judgment and making decisions for youself or better still - minding your own bloody business thats a start.



Because I have an open mind and am interested in the views of others. This is something you should consider. Perhaps your "own better judgement" would actually be better judgement if you were to consider and learn from other people's opinions - it certainly couldn't get much worse.

[The Stranger]

And what is with all this racism... is this what you grew up learning?

NO, it certainly isn't, but if you don't like it then the answer is simple, stop teaching us to be racists.

[PirateJafa]

Let's just say that after this thread, as a rider who rides sensibly but often in groups, is only licensed due to an exemption, doesn't pull wheelies, doesn't speed... I know who I am not going to be riding with in future should they decide to again join a ride I'm on.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Because I have an open mind and am interested in the views of others. This is something you should consider. Perhaps your "own better judgement" would actually be better judgement if you were to consider and learn from other people's opinions - it certainly couldn't get much worse.

If you were really interested in the public's views you would have made it a priority to understand the entire situation and try and represent that understanding in the best possible way in your first post. Not skew the data, being absolutely impartial to this thread given what you should have known from the beginning, it looks to me like you were trying to influence the final outcome. Again not what you claim to be doing in the first place. Would you believe that there is still more about this situation that is not on here? Please go back to your sources and ask them for the whole story if what you are really interested in is the truth. Speak to all parties before passing your 'judgment', if they should want to entertain your request. You might learn something. I had a lot of respect for you Noel and you taught me much about my R6. But this sort of behavior from a more experienced rider, and one I trusted makes me want to re evaluate my circle of friends.

[R6_kid]

But this sort of behavior from a more experienced rider, and one I trusted makes me want to re evaluate my circle of friends.

I suggest moving to a triangle or square, that way it's easier to take sides.

[The Stranger]

If you were really interested in the public's views you would have made it a priority to understand the entire situation and try and represent that understanding in the best possible way in your first post. Not skew the data, being absolutely impartial to this thread given what you should have known from the beginning,
it looks to me like you were trying to influence the final outcome. Again not what you claim to be doing in the first place. Would you believe that there is still more about this situation that is not on here? Please go back to your sources and ask them for the whole story if what you are really interested in is the truth. Speak to all parties before passing your 'judgment', if they should want to entertain your request. You might learn something. I had a lot of respect for you Noel and you taught me much about my R6. But this sort of behavior from a more experienced rider, and one I trusted makes me want to re evaluate my circle of friends.

The OP was not posited as an actual event.
To do so would have as you note, required me to make it a "priority to understand the entire situation". Such an investigation does not interest me, I have other things to do with my time thank you.

Did I pass judgement? Where?

I note that you are a changed man due to this experience. You appear to be advocating truth on the Internet, well perhaps something positive has come from this.

[Morcs]

Can we all just take a step backward and say what is this thread going to achieve? bitching and arguing backwards and forwards etc etc..

I recommend this thread be closed.

[Hinny]

A sworn affadavit would do the trick. Easy to do. Just need to write it out and get it sworn before a JP or Notary public eg Postmaster.
Wouldn't have to show up in court.
Dean Cottle's affadavit worked a treat for David Bain.

[Headbanger]

In the words of Napalm Death.

The Code is red, Long live the code.






Throw the bastards to the Lions.

[DEATH_INC.]

Would you believe that there is still more about this situation that is not on here?
I've got nothing to hide. What's this info you have that I don't seem to? I posted up the full witness's account, how can there be anything else? Post it up.
And I recommend you take a step back, and think about what you would do if the situation was reversed, would you take the rap for me?
And what about madness, the guy has never wheelied on the road in his life, how can this be fair to him?

[_Gina_]

Whinge, whinge, farkin' whinge...
What a thread :girlfight:

You lot should take heed of Jimmy and Death, they're speaking it how it is, straight up.

[carver]

If you were a real man you'd grow up, and you'd come out of the closet about your sexuality

ah, i have......

[smoky]

ah, i have......

Wasn't talking to you - we ALL know about you dude

[Patch]

I recommend this thread be closed.
If it is - do you really think it will be the end of it??

[DEATH_INC.]

If it is - do you really think it will be the end of it??
That's right, closing the thread doesn't make the charges go away...

[White trash]

If it is - do you really think it will be the end of it??
I've got a good idea on how to end it.

[Morcs]

That's right, closing the thread doesn't make the charges go away...


If it is - do you really think it will be the end of it??

Thats true.

But it keeps it out of the public domain where things quite easily get out of hand, and eventually out of context.

[FROSTY]

NO hang on -- Mr R64life and Ducatihard .HERE is your chance to tell your side of the story. Given the truth was skewed.
Please explain clearly what part of what Death Inc posted was lies.
Or for that matter what part of what the Stranger posted was lies.
Are you saying you DID NOT pull i wheelies whilst overtaking traffic ?? Are you saying that you are not letting 2 people take the blame for your actions?
Or are you simply thinking that if you muddy the waters enough people will doubt their word?

Quite frankly pulling out the racial pedjudice card smells of desperation to me .
I (and I suspect strongly the OP) couldn't give a flying fuck if you are black ,white,yellow of green. Your refusal to accept responsibility is the issue

[jrandom]

But it keeps it out of the public domain where things quite easily get out of hand, and eventually out of context.

Why shouldn't this be in the public domain, and how is it out of context?

One guy's getting done for DD because someone else pulled a wheelie in front of a cop.

The guy who's getting done might get off due to the obvious problems with identification, but if the dude who actually did it stood up and said to the cops "nah, it was me", the other dude would definitely get off.

Of course, the dude who actually did it would then have to suck up the DD charge himself.

Straightforward situation.

And yes, Raj is being a coward by not taking the obvious path to get Death and Madness out of trouble. I guess he'd rather live with that fact than go six months without a driver's licence. Ho hum.

[White trash]

Why shouldn't this be in the public domain, and how is it out of context?

One guy's getting done for DD because someone else pulled a wheelie in front of a cop.

The guy who's getting done might get off due to the obvious problems with identification, but if the dude who actually did it stood up and said to the cops "nah, it was me", the other dude would definitely get off.

Of course, the dude who actually did it would then have to suck up the DD charge himself.

Straightforward situation.

And yes, Raj is being a coward by not taking the obvious path to get Death and Madness out of trouble. I guess he'd rather live with that fact than go six months without a driver's licence. Ho hum.
Eggs Zactly!

There is no out of context, it's a public forum, people can voice their views.

Mine personally is that the two NOT standing up for their actions and "having a laugh" at this thread have a very funny point of view on morals. That's ok, it's their life.

They probably should know, however, that karma has funny habit of biting cockheads (that's only my point of view) in the arse. Ususally, badly.

See you on the road one day bouys.

[Maha]

'karma has funny habit of biting cockheads in the arse'.

And my Doctor said ''it looks like cat scratches''....what does he know?

[jrandom]

karma has funny habit of biting cockheads (that's only my point of view) in the arse. Ususally, badly.

Too true.

According to rep I received just now (which I won't quote cos that's against the rules, but I will convey the gist of) certain people are not being cowards, because certain other people were doing wheelies all day anyway, and also, um, their bike didn't have a WOF.

The weaselliness of that logic beggars belief.

Sorry, Raj, you're being a coward. Sooner or later, we all do wheelies, we all ride machines with run-out WOFs or regos. That has nothing to do with anything.

This isn't about Death being a bad man on a motorcycle. This is about him getting charged for something you did. The fact that he did some wheelies himself at some other point in time is completely irrelevant.

Y'see, Death was smart enough to do his out of sight of the cops; you weren't.

Raj, if you think that weasel karma is a better thing to carry around than a DD conviction... you'll grow wiser sooner or later.

Just my opinion based on the facts as stated so far, of course.

[enigma51]

Too true.

According to rep I received just now (which I won't quote cos that's against the rules, but I will convey the gist of) certain people are not being cowards, because certain other people were doing wheelies all day anyway, and also, um, their bike didn't have a WOF.

The weaselliness of that logic beggars belief.

Sorry, Raj, you're being a coward. Sooner or later, we all do wheelies, we all ride machines with run-out WOFs or regos. That has nothing to do with anything.

This isn't about Death being a bad man on a motorcycle. This is about him getting charged for something you did. The fact that he did some wheelies himself at some other point in time is completely irrelevant.

Y'see, Death was smart enough to do his out of sight of the cops; you weren't.

Raj, if you think that weasel karma is a better thing to carry around than a DD conviction... you'll grow wiser sooner or later.

Just my opinion based on the facts as stated so far, of course.

I think we need some more cauliflower ......


PS not for you but for some others

[jrandom]

I think we need some more cauliflower ......


PS not for you but for some others

Ain't no problem that a good old-fashioned cauliflowering can't solve.

[Morcs]

Why shouldn't this be in the public domain, and how is it out of context?


Because then people who arent involved wont stick their nose in (me included). It is an issue to be sorted out between those involved.

When it was still 'hypothetically speaking' then yes, others opinions were fine, but now the names are made public, which changes everything in respect to that its become a argument between the friends of Andy, and the friends of Raj.

[Indiana_Jones]

Riding a Triumph doesn't make you a man


What the fuck?

You mean I brought it for fucking nothing?! :mad::lol:

-Indy

[enigma51]

Because then people who arent involved wont stick their nose in (me included). It is an issue to be sorted out between those involved.

When it was still 'hypothetically speaking' then yes, others opinions were fine, but now the names are made public, which changes everything in respect to that its become a argument between the friends of Andy, and the friends of Raj.

Im glad its out in the open cause know its clear to me that when you go riding with Raj's its every man/women for themselves.

Personally i like to only ride with people that will man up when they have done something wrong and you get done for it. More so when it involves Dangerous Driving allegations even though said person might have been a naughty boy before. I got seen not him/her.

But then again not all of us are born with a set of "testicles".




Which brings me to another question what are women born with to make them accept responsibility?

[DEATH_INC.]

because certain other people were doing wheelies all day anyway, and also, um, their bike didn't have a WOF.
Exactly, I never denied that. But, again as said before, time and place....
And you wanna talk bike legality, that fucken exhaust of RAJ's is never legal in this country, so his bike wasn't up to warrant standards either. :p

[White trash]

Because then people who arent involved wont stick their nose in (me included). It is an issue to be sorted out between those involved.

When it was still 'hypothetically speaking' then yes, others opinions were fine, but now the names are made public, which changes everything in respect to that its become a argument between the friends of Andy, and the friends of Raj.
Incorrect.

If one of my friends was guilty of the same spinelessness, I'd clip him around the ears and tell him to man the fuck up.

Which is what I'm telling the two involved now. Their choice whether they heed my words. No skin off mine if they dont.

[The Stranger]

Because then people who arent involved wont stick their nose in (me included). It is an issue to be sorted out between those involved.

When it was still 'hypothetically speaking' then yes, others opinions were fine, but now the names are made public, which changes everything in respect to that its become a argument between the friends of Andy, and the friends of Raj.

Well Morcs that really is sad, I mean that sincerely. That it should come down to groups of friends.

Though, don't blame the thread for this division. As I noted to Raj with his racism comment, this comes down to his and DH's in/actions.

[Morcs]

Well Morcs that really is sad, I mean that sincerely. That it should come down to groups of friends.

Though, don't blame the thread for this division. As I noted to Raj with his racism comment, this comes down to his and DH's in/actions.

Dont get me wrong, I am in no way condoning Raj's attitude or actions, I just do not like the way this is being dealt with, Like Ive already said to Andy, As a good friend of Raj's, I dont want him to get into trouble, on the other hand Andy should not be taking any fall whatsoever - the police are at fault here. If they didnt get Raj, well thats all good, but that shouldnt mean they have to take down the next guy they see.

[Madness]

the police are at fault here. If they didnt get Raj, well thats all good, but that shouldnt mean they have to take down the next guy they see.
The Po-po are indeed mistaken in this case, mistaken identity. The fact remains that the only reason Death and I got pulled over that day was because two other people were wheelying at an innapropriate time and place. We have to pay, in both time and money, to defend ourselves from charges resulting in someone elses actions. My class of Licence, Death's rego and warrant have got absolutely nothing to do with this situation. Raj's white boots are a bigger crime against fashion FFS!.

I believe that contact was made with Raj directly to discuss this situation, before either Death or I participated in this shit-fight. This attempt to discuss things was apparently met with denial, denial and a hot cup of "you got what was coming". I see that now Raj finally has grown enough manhood to post in this thread (whilst under supervision from mates?), there seems to be no denial of any wheelying at all. Instead just references to "additional facts" that apparently Death & I are witholding.

So come on Raj, cough up. I'm seeing the Lawyer this week, he might want the new evidence.

Oh, Morcs. If this thread is getting uncomfortable for you, perhaps that's because you know that it could be you in either one of our positions right now. Some friend.

[SixPackBack]

Dont get me wrong, I am in no way condoning Raj's attitude or actions, I just do not like the way this is being dealt with, Like Ive already said to Andy, As a good friend of Raj's, I dont want him to get into trouble, on the other hand Andy should not be taking any fall whatsoever - the police are at fault here. If they didnt get Raj, well thats all good, but that shouldnt mean they have to take down the next guy they see.

Yup no question you are correct, poor Police work is definitely to blame. We can argue about the future fallout this case may cause, but.........lets get pragmatic for a mo'

Regardless of said argument, one person is going to either take the fall for another and/or spend a considerable amount of money defending himself for the actions of another. How would you behave Morc?............would you approach the Police and offer the truth? I have thought about this case a great deal and have come to the conclusion that my conscience would get the better of me. Yes I would lose my licence for a few months, but it would be in the knowledge that I had actually committed a crime, and that I could hold my head high. The depth of feeling on this case is unlikely to subside for a very long time, time for the guilty to grow some massive dangling goat balls and man up.

[scumdog]

Yup no question you are correct, poor Police work is definitely to blame. We can argue about the future fallout this case may cause, but.........lets get pragmatic for a mo'The depth of feeling on this case is unlikely to subside for a very long time, time for the guilty to grow some massive dangling goat balls and man up.[/FONT]

The longer the 'real' offenders leave it to 'fess-up the more likely it will be thought by the law that they have an alterior motive for doing so.....

[smoky]

What if you appealed the ticket - then Raj wrote a letter saying it was him - what would the cops do I wonder?
Would they actually fine him? Can they? would they bother?
What if a bunch of you wrote in stating it was a case of mistaken identity and would be prepared to turn up at court to say so - I bet they would drop it as well. That's what happened to me years ago when cops busted a mate for doing wheelies in the park - when it was actually someone else we knew, we all wrote in (6 of us) said it was a case of mistaken identity and would all be prepared to swear to that in court - case dropped.

Has any of that been considered here?
Or do you just want to put a rope around raj's neck and hang him?
(if you do - let me know, I'd like to watch)

[MarkH]

we all wrote in (6 of us) said it was a case of mistaken identity and would all be prepared to swear to that in court - case dropped.

This sounds like a good idea - if Madness is consulting a lawyer anyway it might be worth asking about this idea. While he's at it he could also ask for confirmation on the rule about having to charge someone within 6 months, making it too late for the cops to charge Yam & Duc if they give statements saying it was them.

I like the idea of Yam & Duc being able to do the right thing without jeopardising their licences and maybe their jobs. I especially like the idea of the innocent being spared a court case with the risk of conviction for something they didn't do (or get caught doing in Death's case). A good result for everyone involved would be a really nice thing to read about - please guys see what can be done to make things better!

[DEATH_INC.]

What if a bunch of you wrote in stating it was a case of mistaken identity and would be prepared to turn up at court to say so - I bet they would drop it as well.
Nope, tried that angle. The key witness for the cops is very high in the ranks, and I suspect a bike hater. He wants to do someone.

[Morcs]

Regardless of said argument, one person is going to either take the fall for another and/or spend a considerable amount of money defending himself for the actions of another. How would you behave Morc?............would you approach the Police and offer the truth? .

I know without a doubt that I would own up there and then on the spot, But if I was able to go home to without having much idea of what was going on then told of the situation, Im sure Id need a good boot up the arse and then id go own up.

[Morcs]

Nope, tried that angle. The key witness for the cops is very high in the ranks, and I suspect a bike hater. He wants to do someone.

It was skidmark. I saw it. Didnt you?

sorted.:2thumbsup

[DEATH_INC.]

Or do you just want to put a rope around raj's neck and hang him?
No, at least I didn't.....
If I did I would just hand his details over to them.

[smoky]

Nope, tried that angle. The key witness for the cops is very high in the ranks, and I suspect a bike hater. He wants to do someone.

Fine - appeal, turn up at the district court with some witnesses, if you send them your intended defense I will be surprised if they pursue it

Share the costs
And if I were Raj and his mate - I would spring for the cost

[smoky]

It was skidmark. I saw it. Didnt you?

sorted.:2thumbsup

Actually that's a very good option

[Morcs]

Actually that's a very good option

Im sure he'll be cheap to buy, and he's used to being perma-banned from riding :2thumbsup

[White trash]

It was skidmark. I saw it. Didnt you?

sorted.:2thumbsup
GS650G doing wheelsatnds??

Cops arent THAT stupid. Surely?

[MarkH]

Nope, tried that angle. The key witness for the cops is very high in the ranks, and I suspect a bike hater. He wants to do someone.

Tough shit for him - from what you posted here his witness report is pretty shaky, he didn't identify the bikes going past very well at all. It is also his testimony (and he is only one man) against potentially 6 others. I am pretty sure that in law a judge cannot just dismiss the testimony of 6 people out of hand.

[The Stranger]

Tough shit for him - from what you posted here his witness report is pretty shaky, he didn't identify the bikes going past very well at all.

He identified them just fine.
When they were stopped he got all the details he needed.

Seriously MarkH, you need to think things through a little before you post.
No I am not being a meanie.

[Patch]

from what you posted here his witness report is pretty shaky
when the prosecution's witness holds a badge and has pip's on his shoulders, it wouldn't make fuck all difference if the defendant's witness was the pope.

[Headbanger]

I reckon the pope would have some swing.

[Winston001]

What if you appealed the ticket - then Raj wrote a letter saying it was him - what would the cops do I wonder?
Would they actually fine him? Can they? would they bother?
What if a bunch of you wrote in stating it was a case of mistaken identity and would be prepared to turn up at court to say so - I bet they would drop it as well.....

A useful experiment is to put yourself in the shoes of the other person: if you were a police prosecutor what would you say to these suggestions?

An occupational risk of policing is being lied to.

Timing is the crux. If someone comes forward soon after the ticket is issued and says "You have it wrong, it was me..." then the odds are good the first charge will be dropped.

But months later? Not likely. And an experienced district court judge is going to be similarly cynical. Which doesn't mean a judge can't be persuaded if the witnesses impress as honest and sincere.

[Madness]

Fine - appeal, turn up at the district court with some witnesses, if you send them your intended defense I will be surprised if they pursue it

Share the costs
And if I were Raj and his mate - I would spring for the cost

It's not just a case af a fine, there is a mandatory 6-month disqualification period for a dangerous driving charge, and possible future implications on insurance premiums not to mention the hassle with Immigration at any Australian airport on arrival.

Lets face it, there are 3 people who could offer testimony here, other than the two charged and one of those persons partner. Two of these three have made it pretty clear that they is weasels.

It's now up to us to defend ourselves, at our cost.

In the mean time, I have learnt quite a lot from this situation. It's not a total loss.

[Indiana_Jones]

<img src="http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/files/2009/01/spartacus.jpg">

No! I'm Spartacus!

-Indy

[MarkH]

He identified them just fine.
When they were stopped he got all the details he needed.

Seriously MarkH, you need to think things through a little before you post.
No I am not being a meanie.

Hey - I am just going from what I know from what was posted by Death here. I am happy to leave the finer details up to the defence lawyer. Maybe I am just being hopeful but surely 6 people all saying the same thing has a chance of swaying the judge?

I have no idea of what the conviction rate is for dangerous driving when the accused pleads not guilty - but from what I read here many believe it to be somewhere around 101%. Maybe you guys are right and no matter what Madness & Death have no chance - I just hope that is not the case.

[scumdog]

Hey - I am just going from what I know from what was posted by Death here. I am happy to leave the finer details up to the defence lawyer. Maybe I am just being hopeful but surely 6 people all saying the same thing has a chance of swaying the judge?

I have no idea of what the conviction rate is for dangerous driving when the accused pleads not guilty - but from what I read here many believe it to be somewhere around 101%. Maybe you guys are right and no matter what Madness & Death have no chance - I just hope that is not the case.

100% conviction rate here - if that helps??:whistle:

[FROSTY]

Still we see no reply denying their actions from the two accused.

[Madness]

Still we see no reply denying their actions from the two accused.

No, but there is a very interesting post in another thread that mentions "Each rider rides his own ride and accounts for his own actions or inactions, whatever they might be."

Quite rich I thought, under the circumstances.

[White trash]

No, but there is a very interesting post in another thread that mentions "Each rider rides his own ride and accounts for his own actions or inactions, whatever they might be."

Quite rich I thought, under the circumstances.
I'm aparently "Gonna get it" when someone sees me next according to my visitor messages on my profile.

Fuck, I hope I don't get hurt!

[Maha]

I'm aparently "Gonna get it" when someone sees me next according to my visitor messages on my profile.

Fuck, I hope I don't get hurt!

Maybe hes gonna roger you till it really hurts?

[The Stranger]

I'm aparently "Gonna get it" when someone sees me next according to my visitor messages on my profile.

Fuck, I hope I don't get hurt!

And you are a homo - as can be clearly seen by all those guys in your profile photo.

[Hinny]

One guy's getting done for DD because someone else pulled a wheelie in front of a cop.

The guy who's getting done might get off due to the obvious problems with identification, but if the dude who actually did it stood up and said to the cops "nah, it was me", the other dude would definitely get off.

Of course, the dude who actually did it would then have to suck up the DD charge himself.

Straightforward situation.



How about spending a little time reviewing Rules of Evidence.
From my what I have been told this, 'the dude who actually did it would then have to suck up the DD charge himself', is not the case.
Any chance you could clarify this?
Maybe a PM to the people involved if you don't want to air your opinion on this in an open forum.

[Shaun]

I will never deal with the gutless piece of shite Indian again

[boomer]

I will never deal with the gutless piece of shite Indian again


for those of us not quite sure what you mean Shaun.. can you elaborate please?

[Finn]

I will never deal with the gutless piece of shite Indian again

Get out of my shop, come again.

[boomer]

Get out of my shop, come again.

where's ya manners... please come again !

[Indiana_Jones]

Do explain.....

-Indy

[Disco Dan]

Wow, the ignore list brings this page count down to like... 2

[Shaun]

for those of us not quite sure what you mean Shaun.. can you elaborate please?



I mean, RAJ and the other dude need to fess up and try to proove they are real men

[Patch]

:finger: (http://www.awm.gov.au/commemoration/customs/last_post.asp)

[Madness]

Justice has hypothetically been bought, not served.

Tiger hunting season is now officially open.

[SMOKEU]

Might as well gap it in a situation like that. Every man for himself. Aint seen nothin, aint heard nothin, don't know nothin.

[jrandom]

:finger: (http://www.awm.gov.au/commemoration/customs/last_post.asp)

Patch! Where ya been, we missed you.

[vifferman]

Patch! Where ya been, we missed you.

Yeah!!


Umm... who's Patch? :confused:

[Hinny]

I mean, RAJ and the other dude need to fess up and try to proove they are real men

They have fessed up... just not to the delusional character that has laid charges against the two innocents.

Hello.....! is this the first time you have heard of this person laying charges against innocents?

Have none of you read the 'Formal complaints' thread?

Do you not know of innocents that have been tried and convicted by this same 'person'?

We don't need to sacrifice one, nor two, of our own to this worthless piece of shit that has brought so much pain and suffering to our brethren.
He made the mistake in not correctly identifying the 'culprits'.
We don't have to do his job for him.
Outing the perpetrators of this heinous crime is not for the gathered clan.

FFS 5000 people a year die from smoking cigarettes. How many die from pulling wheelies? It is not a big crime they have committed/been charged for. Less than smoking behind the bike sheds yet there are some, who have posted on this thread, that have uttered the most disparaging vitriolic vile against the two accused/perpetrators one would be forgiven for thinking they had raped your grandmother.
My question to these people is "where is your sense of perspective"?
The US and Britain just killed 2-3 million people in Iraq. How does this charge measure up as a crime compared to that? Did you get as outraged by the death and destruction our 'friends' rained down upon our other 'friends' as you did against these two guys?
I suspect not and, for that, I condemn those vocifirous and vitriolic posters,

Your condemnation is, in my opinion, wrong . (way out of line)

Given the 'evidence' that is available, it would be a piss poor lawyer that couldn't get these two 'innocents' off their charges.

[jrandom]

FFS 5000 people a year die from smoking cigarettes...

By your logic, Graeme Burton really isn't such a bad fellow. After all, Stalin killed millions.

A coward is still a coward. Nobody's calling for the death penalty for Raj, here, just pointing out that he's a slithery twat with no decency or moral courage.

It's probably just a cultural thing. 'Decency and moral courage' are, we should remember, white man ideals. Perhaps we shouldn't judge those who've had to claw their way out of the slums too harshly.

:sunny:

[The Stranger]

Your condemnation is, in my opinion, wrong . (way out of line)

Given the 'evidence' that is available, it would be a piss poor lawyer that couldn't get these two 'innocents' off their charges.

They're not being condemned for the crime of wheel stands, but for leaving others in the shit.

Last time I got quotes from 3 Auckland lawyers for defending dangerous driving they varied from 5 to 7k. Sure it can be done for less, but it's still a lot of tyres.

Perhaps if you think it's not such a bad thing you could offer to cover the legal bill?

[SixPackBack]

They have fessed up... just not to the delusional character that has laid charges against the two innocents.

Hello.....! is this the first time you have heard of this person laying charges against innocents?

Have none of you read the 'Formal complaints' thread?

Do you not know of innocents that have been tried and convicted by this same 'person'?

We don't need to sacrifice one, nor two, of our own to this worthless piece of shit that has brought so much pain and suffering to our brethren.
He made the mistake in not correctly identifying the 'culprits'.
We don't have to do his job for him.
Outing the perpetrators of this heinous crime is not for the gathered clan.

FFS 5000 people a year die from smoking cigarettes. How many die from pulling wheelies? It is not a big crime they have committed/been charged for. Less than smoking behind the bike sheds yet there are some, who have posted on this thread, that have uttered the most disparaging vitriolic vile against the two accused/perpetrators one would be forgiven for thinking they had raped your grandmother.
My question to these people is "where is your sense of perspective"?
The US and Britain just killed 2-3 million people in Iraq. How does this charge measure up as a crime compared to that? Did you get as outraged by the death and destruction our 'friends' rained down upon our other 'friends' as you did against these two guys?
I suspect not and, for that, I condemn those vocifirous and vitriolic posters,

Your condemnation is, in my opinion, wrong . (way out of line)

Given the 'evidence' that is available, it would be a piss poor lawyer that couldn't get these two 'innocents' off their charges.

In principle you maybe correct. In reality our legal system [not 'justice'] is in all likley hood going to demand the expenditure of stinging quantities of cash to prove innocence.

[Swoop]

Raj, indian tiger, or whoever you call yourself at the moment.

Can you please state who rider "B" and rider "C" is in this post?
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129258010&postcount=163

[Juzz976]

I wouldn't let a friend go down for a crime I had commited.
But then he could always say "nahh that was some homo on a ......., we/I dont know where he came from just some random dude and then I'd be cool if the cops followed up and found it was me.

If it went any further your mate can deny the charges and last resort I would be fronting up and sayin it was me, and you somehow heard from a friend about the situation.

[Madness]

They have fessed up... just not to the delusional character that has laid charges against the two innocents.

Hello.....! is this the first time you have heard of this person laying charges against innocents?

Have none of you read the 'Formal complaints' thread?

Do you not know of innocents that have been tried and convicted by this same 'person'?

We don't need to sacrifice one, nor two, of our own to this worthless piece of shit that has brought so much pain and suffering to our brethren.
He made the mistake in not correctly identifying the 'culprits'.
We don't have to do his job for him.
Outing the perpetrators of this heinous crime is not for the gathered clan.

FFS 5000 people a year die from smoking cigarettes. How many die from pulling wheelies? It is not a big crime they have committed/been charged for. Less than smoking behind the bike sheds yet there are some, who have posted on this thread, that have uttered the most disparaging vitriolic vile against the two accused/perpetrators one would be forgiven for thinking they had raped your grandmother.
My question to these people is "where is your sense of perspective"?
The US and Britain just killed 2-3 million people in Iraq. How does this charge measure up as a crime compared to that? Did you get as outraged by the death and destruction our 'friends' rained down upon our other 'friends' as you did against these two guys?
I suspect not and, for that, I condemn those vocifirous and vitriolic posters,

Your condemnation is, in my opinion, wrong . (way out of line)

Given the 'evidence' that is available, it would be a piss poor lawyer that couldn't get these two 'innocents' off their charges.

Tell me... What colour is the grass in your world?

Yes, the pigs got it wrong. Yes, the pigs lied. Yes, it cost thousands of my dollars and time off work to defend charges based on innacuracies and lies.

I wouldn't be so anti-Rajistani if he wasn't such a cock-smoking faggot. Please refer to this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129268148&postcount=255) load of shit. Notice Rajistani kept very quiet until he had the "support" of Ducati*Soft, the other gutless wonder, who has since been banned from KB, so I believe, for being a fucknuckle.

The only stupid thing I did on that day was to ride amongst a group that included two fuckwits that keep one hand on their tiny cocks whilst pulling wheelies on the wrong side of yellow lines on S.H.1. Wheelies are not cool but failing to man up and take responsibility is even less cool in my book and seemingly the books of many others on here.

No-one ever asked Raj to fess up to the pigs, or to contribute financially. We merely gave him an opportunity to respond to the situation. Instead of being a man, he spouted off shit suggesting I should be responsible for my own actions and even had the nerve to suggest I shouldn't ride due to "family issues". Maybe one of Raj's lovedones will develop cancer one day, let's see if he takes his own advice and abstains from riding.

Funnily enough, in a weird kind of way Raj did get me off in the end. 21YHU, ring a bell Rajistani?

I dragged this up again for one simple reason: It's biking season and there's a good chance some KB'ers might end up riding with Indian Tiger (cock-smoking faggot) and I feel obliged to offer a warning. That said, I'd advise anyone who rides with said cock-smoking faggot to take notice. The prick is a liability so ride with him at your own peril. Also don't be fooled by the "Friends list" here on KB, to some it means less than nothing when the chips are down.

Korma is a bitch Raj, the roundabout was just the start.

[enigma51]

Its cause raj is black thats why you guys are picking on him isnt it?

IF he was white no one would have said anything.

[R6_kid]

Its cause raj is black thats why you guys are picking on him isnt it?

IF he was white no one would have said anything.

If his boots weren't white he might have some credibility!

[Madness]

Its cause raj is black thats why you guys are picking on him isnt it?

IF he was white no one would have said anything.

That has nothing to do with my motivation for posting in this thread. I consider the fact he's black more of a "bonus".

[Hinny]

1/ Tell me... What colour is the grass in your world?

2/ Yes, the pigs got it wrong. Yes, the pigs lied. Yes, it cost thousands of my dollars and time off work to defend charges based on innacuracies and lies.

3/ I wouldn't be so anti-Rajistani if he wasn't such a cock-smoking faggot. Please refer to this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129268148&postcount=255) load of shit. Notice Rajistani kept very quiet until he had the "support" of Ducati*Soft, the other gutless wonder, who has since been banned from KB, so I believe, for being a fucknuckle.

4/ The only stupid thing I did on that day was to ride amongst a group that included two fuckwits that keep one hand on their tiny cocks whilst pulling wheelies on the wrong side of yellow lines on S.H.1. Wheelies are not cool but failing to man up and take responsibility is even less cool in my book and seemingly the books of many others on here.

5/ No-one ever asked Raj to fess up to the pigs .. .

1/ Growing - it is green with red stalks. Yay Columbia. :cool:

2/ This is the bit I hate.
Am I right in assuming it was the ATNR nemesis, generally referred to as 'the Ginger Coont', that 'caught' you?
If it was, he reads KB and will no doubt have been aware of the identity of the real culprits. For him to carry on with the prosecution speaks volumes of the man.
You should probably have gone with the lawyer I suggested to you.

3/ I was arrogant enough to consider that it was post suggesting a solution based on facts and reason that encouraged each of them to post.
I offered a reasoned solution to the problem and suggested they may be reticent to help if they continued to be slandered. The shit continued.

4/ Raj reckons his cock is bigger than average. Posted on KB so it must be true.
My point about wheelies was to throw shit at the fuckwits that determine the laws and the enforcement of those laws.
Doing it on the wrong side of no passing lanes is really dumb tho' and should be discouraged by enforcement of the law IMO.

5/ Maybe you should have. Or your lawyer should have.

[Madness]

1/ Growing - it is green with red stalks. Yay Columbia. :cool:

2/ This is the bit I hate.
Am I right in assuming it was the ATNR nemesis, generally referred to as 'the Ginger Coont', that 'caught' you?
If it was, he reads KB and will no doubt have been aware of the identity of the real culprits. For him to carry on with the prosecution speaks volumes of the man.
You should probably have gone with the lawyer I suggested to you.

3/ I was arrogant enough to consider that it was post suggesting a solution based on facts and reason that encouraged each of them to post.
I offered a reasoned solution to the problem and suggested they may be reticent to help if they continued to be slandered. The shit continued.

4/ Raj reckons his cock is bigger than average. Posted on KB so it must be true.
My point about wheelies was to throw shit at the fuckwits that determine the laws and the enforcement of those laws.
Doing it on the wrong side of no passing lanes is really dumb tho' and should be discouraged by enforcement of the law IMO.

5/ Maybe you should have. Or your lawyer should have.

1/ Can I have some of what you're smoking?

2/ The Ginga was not the driving force behind this farce. It was in fact Boss Hogg himself, chief bullshitter of Hazzard County.

3/ The initial approach was made to Rajistani off KB, before this thread even started. He began his denials and spineless shit well before anyone voiced their opinion of him in this thread. It was his inclination to make it personal that's got my back up over all of this. Hell, there were no names and everything was hypothetical, until he started being the cock that he is. I haven't even touched on the arrogant PM's and don't plan to.

4/ Your cock would probably stretch too after years of prolonged masturbation, surely.

I don't have a problem if cunts want to do wheelies on a public road, it's when I get charged for it with an offence that carries a mandatory 6 month disqualification period when I start to have an issue.

5/ I'm not Jewish. I'm a responsible man and I expect other men to behave in a similar manner. Delusional, I know.

[boomer]

why hasnt any one been down the cop shop and shown this shit as evidence...


if it were me, i'd have no worries grassing the curry muncher in...!

[Madness]

why hasnt any one been down the cop shop and shown this shit as evidence...


if it were me, i'd have no worries grassing the curry muncher in...!

Bwuahahahahahahaha!!!! I just pee'd a little.

Are you seriously suggesting that the New Zealand roading police are interested in the truth??

Boomer, you need to start sharing those drugs around mate. Hogging them all to yourself aint doing either of us any good.

[Littleman]

Don't tell me.... you're a war veteran...

[Littleman]

1/ Growing - it is green with red stalks. Yay Columbia. :cool:

2/ This is the bit I hate.
Am I right in assuming it was the ATNR nemesis, generally referred to as 'the Ginger Coont', that 'caught' you?
If it was, he reads KB and will no doubt have been aware of the identity of the real culprits. For him to carry on with the prosecution speaks volumes of the man.
You should probably have gone with the lawyer I suggested to you.

3/ I was arrogant enough to consider that it was post suggesting a solution based on facts and reason that encouraged each of them to post.
I offered a reasoned solution to the problem and suggested they may be reticent to help if they continued to be slandered. The shit continued.

4/ Raj reckons his cock is bigger than average. Posted on KB so it must be true.
My point about wheelies was to throw shit at the fuckwits that determine the laws and the enforcement of those laws.
Doing it on the wrong side of no passing lanes is really dumb tho' and should be discouraged by enforcement of the law IMO.

5/ Maybe you should have. Or your lawyer should have.

Let’s ignore the white gown you’re wearing and give you the dignity that apparently you old guys deserve.

God bless you. You are a reminder why dopamine levels should be influenced by local government agencies in align with our tooth decay.

Do you see that shooting star???

Ooohhh... it gonna rescue you from bed wetting old man.

[Nasty]

Its cause raj is black thats why you guys are picking on him isnt it?

IF he was white no one would have said anything.

So YOU have decided to throw in a racist angle into this ... from what I have read that is not only inappropriate but untrue ... I think that it is the result of his actions and the potential consquences on others of him not taking responsbility for his own actions that has bought this about.

[scumdog]

Bwuahahahahahahaha!!!! I just pee'd a little.

Are you seriously suggesting that the New Zealand roading police are interested in the truth??

Quite right, ticket quotas is where it's at man!:banana:

Bugger the truth - unless it helps even more with the quota of course...<_<

[Madness]

Quite right, ticket quotas is where it's at man!:banana:

Bugger the truth - unless it helps even more with the quota of course...<_<

Thanks for your honesty here Scummie. Unfortunately it'll take a lot more than this to restore my faith in your "profession".

Funny that you mention quotas. As I understand it, there are also quotas for Dangerous Driving and other serious charges these days, as well as minor infringements. Also interesting is that the "star witness" in my case is actually the quota-issuer for Hazzard County. He was prepared to prosecute based on inaccuracies and mis-truth's until we pointed these out from the Police disclosure. Weirdly enough, when the facts were on the table, he wasn't prepared to back up his statement of facts in court with testimony. Lying prick.

A tip for others: It seems that if you request it, the Police are obliged to supply you with a recording of the comms radio that relates (if it relates) to your charge. Be specific and request a written transcript as a recording can't always be played in court, where a transcript can be entered as evidence.

Without the Comms recording to point out the inconsistencies in Boss Hogg's evidence I would have been fucked even harder than I was.

[SixPackBack]

Bwuahahahahahahaha!!!! I just pee'd a little.

Are you seriously suggesting that the New Zealand roading police are interested in the truth??

Boomer, you need to start sharing those drugs around mate. Hogging them all to yourself aint doing either of us any good.

:whistle:..............Moving away from the often unfathomable behaviour of the police for a minute...........The real issue is the need for individuals having to pay outrageous sums of money to defend themselves with no hope of recompense.

NZ does not run a 'justice' system it runs a 'legal' system, the primary purpose of which is to extract large quantities of cash. Where else does a consumer pay when he is innocent for a service he does not want, and then when found innocent by the courts loses the vast dollars forked out. The NZ legal system deserves no respect,and receives no respect from those like DEATH, Madness and myself that have been chewed up and spat out by dodgy coppers, dodgy process and nothing short of institutionalized corruption, instigated by the government-for the government with explicit help from perhaps the lowest life form=the lawyer!.

[The Stranger]

Quite right, ticket quotas is where it's at man!:banana:

Bugger the truth - unless it helps even more with the quota of course...<_<

Whilst your morals are at an all time high, perhaps you would care to do something constructive and help out here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129525960#post1129525960)

[scumdog]

Thanks for your honesty here Scummie. Unfortunately it'll take a lot more than this to restore my faith in your "profession".

Funny that you mention quotas. As I understand it, there are also quotas for Dangerous Driving and other serious charges these days, as well as minor infringements. .

Speeding, non-wearing of seat-belts, dangerous driving, overtaking over yellow lines etc are all lumped together as 'Trauma Related Offences' and a certain % of tickets are expected to be in that catagory.

And HAzzard County must run some wierd whacko system of ticket issuing etc as to date I have not seen a ticket issued in what in my opinion were unfair/illegal circumstances.

On the other hand those fine upstanding members of the public that have defended MY tickets (all four of them in 12 years from memory) seem to think whatever they say is OK if it might get them off the ticket, total fabrication of 'facts' is apparently quite acceptable as is sudden amnesia when the judge asks telling questions.

Maybe they all went north and joined the Hazzard County Cops?

[Madness]

Speeding, non-wearing of seat-belts, dangerous driving, overtaking over yellow lines etc are all lumped together as 'Trauma Related Offences' and a certain % of tickets are expected to be in that catagory.

What an apt title. Trust me, when you're falsely accused it can be quite a traumatic experience!.

I'm more inclined to run from now on. The system works well, dunnit?.

[Qkkid]

So what does Raj have to say about this situation.........
Please enlighten me?
Would be nice to see what his take on it is............

[Madness]

:corn:

<tenchars>

[James Deuce]

So what does Raj have to say about this situation.........
Please enlighten me?
Would be nice to see what his take on it is............
He's too busy posing in front of the mirror in his tiger striped undies to get to the computer man.

(Next time I say hello at a protest say hello back :) Of all the bikes flying about that day, two people on B-Kings made me really look)

[Qkkid]

He's too busy posing in front of the mirror in his tiger striped undies to get to the computer man.

(Next time I say hello at a protest say hello back :) Of all the bikes flying about that day, two people on B-Kings made me really look)

:girlfight: Sorry for not recognising ya :lol:

[enigma51]

So YOU have decided to throw in a racist angle into this ... from what I have read that is not only inappropriate but untrue ... I think that it is the result of his actions and the potential consquences on others of him not taking responsbility for his own actions that has bought this about.

Are you black?

[insane1]

nasty there is no racisim here raj/indian tiger simply fucked up and didnt have the balls to own up the matter that hes indian is has nothing to do with it,maddness/death have it right on the money of which i will be happy to help out if i can.

[mashman]

I'd man up. What's the worst that could happen? You'd have to pay for a mistake!!! But by the judge of things on here, we're already offering to help should the person in question not be able to afford it. A single moment of madness amongst 7000 bikes not bad at all...

[R6_kid]

So YOU have decided to throw in a racist angle into this ... from what I have read that is not only inappropriate but untrue ... I think that it is the result of his actions and the potential consquences on others of him not taking responsbility for his own actions that has bought this about.

If you took that post as being serious then I have serious doubts about your ability to see things for what they are - which I would have thought was a skill required in order to be a Moderator.

[The Stranger]

nasty there is no racisim here raj/indian tiger simply fucked up and didnt have the balls to own up the matter that hes indian is has nothing to do with it,maddness/death have it right on the money of which i will be happy to help out if i can.

It's your lucky day, here's one (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129525960#post1129525960) I prepared earlier.

[The Stranger]

I'd man up. What's the worst that could happen? You'd have to pay for a mistake!!! But by the judge of things on here, we're already offering to help should the person in question not be able to afford it. A single moment of madness amongst 7000 bikes not bad at all...

Ah, I think you may have the wrong thread here. There were only 5 bikes.
Sure madness was one of them, but it wasn't exactly his fault.

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Consider this...

There have been quite a few posts in here that sum up some of the consequences that Rider A may have faced already, prior to the case being heard. With some inside knowledge, I can add to this the following:

On the day of the incident, Rider A had to go home and tell their partner of the charge. At the time the partner had been receiving courses of both Chemo & Radiation therapy (they give you that when you have Cancer).

Since the day (now 5 months ago), Rider A has had the weight of the charges hanging over them, like a very dark cloud. Not a day goes by when they don't consider how the fuck they will get to work & back each day, without putting their (sick) partner to unwanted inconvenience, should they get convicted.

Since not long after the day, Rider A has had their bike in the shed, rego on hold. It aint much fun sitting home all weekend brooding, especially when you read threads on KB about certain fuckwits pulling wheelstands in front of the Poo-lice and getting away with it.

Since the day, Rider A has paid $500 to a Lawyer and got SFA for their money. They have now found a more affordable Lawyer, possibly requiring only another $1000 to defend them. As Death mentioned, the first Lawyer wanted $5,500 just for the defended hearing.

So far Rider has taken one day off work, another day off pending and all before a defended hearing date has been set.

Rider A has had to put off plans to buy their first home, the legal bills were scaring the crap out of them.

Rider A had no idea that other riders were pulling wheelstands at the time of the incident, they were at the front and looking forward, trying to get home to their sick partner. It's only since the day that they learned what was going on behind them.

The last time Rider A pulled a wheelstand was in 1991, on an RM250 and it was by accident. Rider A does not pull wheelstands, let alone on S.H.1 in a traffic jam, on the wrong side of double-yellows.

Yes, the Poo-lice suck. Rider's A & F are not asking anyone to take the rap for them, it's purely about assuming responsibility for ones own actions, as opposed to being a gutless wonder who is prepared to let someone else pay for their fuck-ups.


Madness,

just read through this whole thread today and the above is the post that struck me as the most important.

It's pretty clear to me that the two riders who did the wheelies (and were seen by the cops) need to sack up. They can't call themselves true men while they don't.

But, the main reason for my post is to say that I too went through my partner having cancer. Year and a half of absolute shit is what it was and the last thing I would have possibly wanted was a looming disqualification because some arsewipes don't know the meaning of "personal responsibility".
For those that haven't been through this all I can say is that it is very rare to find a happy moment while treatment is going on and you don't need any help from the outside world creating other problems at a time like this.

Just because someone can get away with something doesn't mean that they should do so - a lesson that most people learn through their parents - obviously missing in the case of these two riders.
I believe that they are relatively young but that doesn't excuse their selfishness - hopefully they will find this thread again when they are about ten years or so older and realise what selfish sacks of shite they were to you.

Hope the missus is doing OK. Mine made it through and has been clear for the last year (but bloody three month checkups make everything come back to haunt you regularly). Switching to six month checkups soon (can't wait).

Regards

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

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