View Full Version : Three cops shot - 1 dead (Napier, 7 May)
Blackshear
8th May 2009, 16:52
Nah - just googled it. Think you're fulla shit and my nipples have gone flaccid
I do but it's ok because I have my protection hat on - they can't see me he he he!!!!!
Fine then, bubble-busters.
A tank with shitloads of reactive armour strapped on still sounds like a good idea.
Or or some of those depleted uranuim rod things that fall on tanks from xxxxxfeet and killem.
Hay guize can drive the tank?!
No doubt it is not easy. that's why we employ specially trained people to do it . At great expense. Who *aren't* doing it. Yea, I'm sure they are currently playing hopskotch and baking cakes right now in the middle east...
Me, I'd have him sorted about 30 minutes after the howitzer arrived . Dead easy, actually. Point big gun, bloody BIG bang. Repeat as required. Sorted. -Then I can bust in screaming "Don't push it, don't push it or I'll give you a war you won't believe" and flex my juiced up massive biceps. And then we can turn the DVD player off
Just my thoughts...
I Havnt read much on this thread ( Or KB as a whole for a while) but here is my take on this ..
ok.. first .. cops.. did they or did they not serve a drug warrant while unarmed and clad in stab proof vests?.. sure .. its just for Pot, but where was the Police Intel unit on this one .. failed profiling and or shit intel..
second .. this guy has already killed a cop.. what makes anyone think that this is going to be ending peacefully .. he officially has nothing to lose, and from the little bit ive seen on TV he fancies himself a hard man.. who happens to be good with explosives.
they aint gonna take him alive
and by the way ... for all of you who texted me last night wondering if it was me ... ..
its not ..
- high speed lead might be a bad thing in a built up area - let's not encourage it
depends .......
fredie
8th May 2009, 17:48
what we have here . is a fail to communicate .some men you just can't reach .and thats what we have here today :eek5:this guy could be the kiwi rambo . there is 1 other option to explore . send in the terminator:angry2:
Another thing...the (intended) drug search was because cops believed there were cannabis plants there. Right? There has been talk that this guy was dealing P as well. He may very well have a nice little manufacturing lab there as well. With a huge stash of chemicals. Some of which are pretty volatile. Not to mention the place possibly being rigged with homemade explosives. This prick has nothing to lose by firing indiscriminately, but shooting inwards is another thing.
For all the 'hard man' talk, I wouldn't want to be one of those cops or making the call to do this or that.
We might be better taking bets on how long this will take...
when i was in the service .. we perfected the Gallon Milk Jug filled with concrete and dropped out of a Huey door at 200 MPH...no explosions.. rope 9 or 10 of them together and you got a hi speed weedeater that happens to weigh over 200 pounds ..
damn impressive attention getter
About all you could do with this place is drop 'em straight down.
House is situated in a fairly narrow gully, so coming across it would be...difficult. And coming up it, there's too many other houses all lined up in front. Coming down the gully wouldn't be any easier, because if it is the house I suspect, it is hiding behind an outcrop of rock on the inside of a tightish turn.
Edbear
8th May 2009, 18:06
Distasteful as that sentiment is, it's true.
It doesn't excuse the guy's actions, but, yes. Somehow, he felt persecuted enough to open fire on cops knocking on his door about a few weed plants.
... Without them, it wouldn't have happened.
Codswallop!
Some good news in this tragic event.
They have just recovered the body of the officer.
More good news. TV3 just said the bastards been shot and is injured. (still in the house mind)
Here is hoping hes in a shit-load of pain.
dangerous
8th May 2009, 18:23
I havent read a single post in this thread... all Im going to say if screw the PC NZ do gooders and hif a grenade in there, fuk me, the poor family dad, hubby, son, brother etc of the dead copper lying ther rotting for over 24hrs... bomb the joint i dont want any of my tax going to housing and puting the fuk through court.
mashman
8th May 2009, 18:32
Could be the guy with the high powered rifle shooting at people.
Maybe, they don't think that the risk to life is worth collecting the body. I'm sure that they would have retrieved it if they could have done so.
Oh come on. Where there's a will there's away, kiwi spirit and all that. Roll a tank in there and unless he's loaded with an RPG or armour piercing rounds i think they'd be able to use it as enough of a shield to retrieve the fallen. It's utterly disgusting that they haven't made the attempt given the resources and the "great minds" that they have at their disposal. If it all goes to shit, it's a tank, blow the fuck out of that part of the house...
Like someone said earlier, noone wants to take responsibility for the decision. Fly me up there, give me an unloaded tank and i'll do it myself, i'll take the risk to retrieve those that have been mercilessly slain over a bit of dope...
Seriously fuckin disgusted with the lack of resolution after this amount of time given the resources available...
mashman
8th May 2009, 18:34
Some good news in this tragic event.
They have just recovered the body of the officer.
Superb, now blow the waste of space to hell and beyond...
Some of the comments in this thread are shithouse. Anyone that talks about storming the house, and napalming the entire city need their fucking heads checked.
Let the cops do their jobs. You don't know how to do it better than them. I see a lot of keyboard warriors who seem to think that they know far more than the collective minds of AOS etc. Too many American cop shows perhaps.
It's utterly disgusting that they haven't made the attempt given the resources and the "great minds" that they have at their disposal. If it all goes to shit, it's a tank, blow the fuck out of that part of the house...
.....
Seriously fuckin disgusted with the lack of resolution after this amount of time given the resources available...
How about saving your disgust for the guy in the building shooting at the cops, rather than the cops on the ground getting fired at?
XxKiTtiExX
8th May 2009, 18:46
I'm glad that they have finally been able to retrieve the body of the fallen officer. It must have been even more heart wrenching for the family knowing that he was still laying there. Being able to finally bring him home was well over due.
Hopefully this doesn't continue for to much longer.
If the news reports are to be believed then Officer Snee's body has now been recovered and will be undergoing the inevitable post-mortem. With any luck the family will now have been able to touch him, and will have him home fairly soon so they can begin to say good bye. Thank God for that!
I think we should all sit tight and wait for the debrief once they take this wanker into custody. I am a pacifist, and hate violence.
Yes it needs to be resolved quickly, I dont for one minute think the police are sitting back ignoring the situation, they wil be using all their resources to end this within the governing laws of our country and in the fastest way they can.
It is so easy for us to sit back here and say storm the place, or whatever. That is what happens overseas afterall. No thank you from me, do what has to be done to avoid further loss of life, and what can be done to get this wanker for allegedly (just for Hitcher :love:) shooting these people, without further loss of life.
Flame away :D
carver
8th May 2009, 18:54
fuck the nz police are useless...
wimpy soft cocks
Grahameeboy
8th May 2009, 19:06
fuck the nz police are useless...
wimpy soft cocks
Righto......they may not be upto UK cops standards, however, they don't have the resources and in the States / UK and most other Countries cops get shot...nothing to do with being useless when from what I heard the cops were just doing what they thought was a normal approach when the guy starts shooting.
Edbear
8th May 2009, 19:09
Righto......they may not be upto UK cops standards, however, they don't have the resources and in the States / UK and most other Countries cops get shot...nothing to do with being useless when from what I heard the cops were just doing what they thought was a normal approach when the guy starts shooting.
He's trolling, mate...
Grahameeboy
8th May 2009, 19:10
He's trolling, mate...
I know....doesn't mean I have to ignore him....
carver
8th May 2009, 19:14
Righto......they may not be upto UK cops standards, however, they don't have the resources and in the States / UK and most other Countries cops get shot...nothing to do with being useless when from what I heard the cops were just doing what they thought was a normal approach when the guy starts shooting.
you know who has the poorest safety record for firearms in nz (groupwise)
its the cops.
useless with guns
power tripping softcocks
when i was shooting, we'd all snigger about how shit they were!
fuck the nz police are useless...
wimpy soft cocks
And you would know being the expert soft cock!!!!!!
:hug:
The dude is dead, killed himself... the cop has been retrieved...
May the police officer RIP and may these tragic occurrences be non existent in the future.
dangerous
8th May 2009, 19:15
you know who has the poorest safety record for firearms in nz (groupwise)
its the cops.
useless with guns
power tripping softcocks
when i was shooting, we'd all snigger about how shit they were! ohhh man, wide open... the only thing you shoot is ya wee fella in the shower every morning ;)
you know who has the poorest safety record for firearms in nz (groupwise)
its the cops.
useless with guns
power tripping softcocks
when i was shooting, we'd all snigger about how shit they were!
Your age is obvious.... when your older and experienced in life you may be different... carver you need to face reality... you will never be the man any of them are... for a long time yet!!! :( your words are unrealistic and negative.
carver
8th May 2009, 19:17
ohhh man, wide open... the only thing you shoot is ya wee fella in the shower every morning ;)
yeah, my safe looks pretty good from here.
cops shoot themselves in their feet alot due to their holsters.
Grahameeboy
8th May 2009, 19:17
you know who has the poorest safety record for firearms in nz (groupwise)
its the cops.
useless with guns
power tripping softcocks
when i was shooting, we'd all snigger about how shit they were!
Good night..................
Grahameeboy
8th May 2009, 19:18
And you would know being the expert soft cock!!!!!!
:hug:
The dude is dead, killed himself... the cop has been retrieved...
May the police officer RIP and may these tragic occurrences be non existent in the future.
Pssssttt....it's so soft it melted last week
carver
8th May 2009, 19:18
Your age is obvious.... when your older and experienced in life you may be different... carver you need to face reality... you will never be the man any of them are... for a long time yet!!! :( your words are unrealistic and negative.
not at all.
this has nothing to do with age.
50 rounds a year is all your standard cop gets to play with a year.
their piss poor hit record is well know.
i would go through 200+ rounds a night!
practice would help em alot!
The dude is dead, killed himself... the cop has been retrieved...
No mention on any channel / news site about him killing himself.
fredie
8th May 2009, 19:22
in the news .it said 4 people have been shot. 3 cops .1 civilian
not at all.
this has nothing to do with age.
50 rounds a year is all your standard cop gets to play with a year.
their piss poor hit record is well know.
i would go through 200+ rounds a night!
practice would help em alot!
Don't question me ... I know things that you will never in your lifetime know... !
Haven't heard anything about him killing himself either.
carver
8th May 2009, 19:28
Don't question me ... I know things that you will never in your lifetime know... !
likewise....
Don't question me ... I know things that you will never in your lifetime know... !
Well credit where credit is due. RocketGal may be right - AND she said it before it coming on the news. backed it up with a PM before it came out.
so she may just know shit !!!!
Jantar
8th May 2009, 19:35
An ambulance has just been let into the cordon area. I do believe that means the danger is past. Mind you I have no respect for the police cammander who was just interviewed on TV1. Its OK to refuse to comment, but he just outright lied.
likewise....
lol ... I can admit your right... I will never know about bikes like you do.... !
Yet I would never say likewise... I would indeed leave that comment and accept without comment.
Well credit where credit is due. RocketGal may be right - AND she said it before it coming on the news. backed it up with a PM before it came out.
so she may just know shit !!!!
go on then, make her head swell, that'll be her signature now:whistle:
go on then, make her head swell, that'll be her signature now:whistle:
and you dare to whistle lmao... love you too.... hmf haha
Report: Gunman may have shot himself video
UPDATED: 7:27PM BREAKING NEWS: Jan Molenaar, the gunman holed up in his house in Napier his believed to have shot himself. The report is not yet confirmed, but is from a source close to the events. Ambulances are on the scene. +more
Don't question me ... I know things that you will never in your lifetime know... !
likewise....
Shhhh you two, this is not time nor place.
Mikkel
8th May 2009, 20:03
Report: Gunman may have shot himself video
UPDATED: 7:27PM BREAKING NEWS: Jan Molenaar, the gunman holed up in his house in Napier his believed to have shot himself. The report is not yet confirmed, but is from a source close to the events. Ambulances are on the scene. +more
Hmmm if that is indeed the case it's neither the best nor the worst possible outcome.
Still, I could imagine that the relatives of the murdered people would have preferred a more extensive closure than that. I suspect I would.
At least no more innocent people got hurt this way.
mashman
8th May 2009, 20:04
How about saving your disgust for the guy in the building shooting at the cops, rather than the cops on the ground getting fired at?
No, I have other feelings reserved for him. I'm just a little stunned that they've left the dead cop there for so long (they being police chiefs and politicians). They got him out and that's the main thing, but i still think that course of action should have come at least 18 hours ago... could be circumsances wouldn't allow it, but i think there's something more to it than that (just my opinion).
I like seeing the keyboard warriors, it shows that there's a passion around and an intolerance for the kinds of acts that are taking place that ruin our way of life... let alone those that are directly affected by the crime... I don't for a minute think that the keyboard warriors expect the police to go in guns a blazin without due care, unless it's completely safe...
If he is dead, GOOD!!! he earned it...
Shhhh you two, this is not time nor place.
lol yes mom!!!!
Hmmm if that is indeed the case it's neither the best nor the worst possible outcome.
spot on there, best out come would have been for the dropkick to shoot himself 3 days a go, then at least an officer wouldnt be dead for doing his job
... I don't for a minute think that the keyboard warriors expect the police to go in guns a blazin without due care, unless it's completely safe...
If he is dead, GOOD!!! he earned it...\
The cause of this sadness IS DEAD... and the police did everything the RIGHT way, I would like anyone on this site untrained to step into their shoes (I have high esteem for the police even with 4 speeding tickets) and all I can say in response to everyone is... the media are typically the media... they get it reasonably right, but hypothetical information is not FACT....
\
4 speeding tickets
:spanking:
If he has shot himself, the post-mortem of the situation will now happen, but at least there's no chance of any Police officer being investigated for murder (as all cops who shoot someone are), nor a family/lawyer group taking a private prosecution out against a Police Constable doing his job.
fredie
8th May 2009, 20:29
it was the demons in his head that made him do all of it :oi-grr:
speights_bud
8th May 2009, 20:40
Had to go out to the supermarket which isn't far away from the scene about half 7ish, heard a few loud bangs as i was loading the car up, came home 15 min or so later to read on stuff.co.nz
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2393477/Gunman-dead-reports
Latest i heard.http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/5553616/gunman-dead-report/There also reporting plenty of unarmed people going through police cordone,hopefully its all over,better than that theres only one thing left to pay for,his funeral.
speights_bud
8th May 2009, 20:49
sounds like TV3 is being used by everyone to get their info?
steve_t
8th May 2009, 20:50
Glad it's over, but he really needed to be someone's bitch in prison for a bit. Oh well...
Sad for the people that got shot.
Is there gonna be some media beat up about our mental health system shortly?
fuck the nz police are useless...
wimpy soft cocks
perhaps your place is back in the UK where you can cuss
:spanking:
mmmmmmmmmmm wait until I get a bike!!!!!:beer:
Slicksta
8th May 2009, 22:05
Maybe tv 3 are wrong
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=156911
I personally think its more sad that this happend at all. The war on drugs has always been a disaster. People die for a false freedom
awayatc
8th May 2009, 22:18
people die.....only certainty in life.
Being a cop is not that dangerous realy....
proportion and all that......
Maybe tv 3 are wrong
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=156911
I personally think its more sad that this happened at all. The war on drugs has always been a disaster. People die for a false freedom
The war on drugs is no different to any war... we as people are different... education is the drift of life.. simply educate your children.
the guy shot himself, like a high percentage of killers by the gun do.... those that don't you ultimately must question... think about that~~~!!!
boomer
8th May 2009, 22:26
The war on drugs is no different to any war... we as people are different... education is the drift of life.. simply educate your children.
the guy shot himself, like a high percentage of killers by the gun do.... those that don't you ultimately must question... think about that~~~!!!
lol.. who are you socrates..??!
Slicksta
8th May 2009, 22:28
The war on drugs is no different to any war... we as people are different... education is the drift of life.. simply educate your children.
the guy shot himself, like a high percentage of killers by the gun do.... those that don't you ultimately must question... think about that~~~!!!
There does not need to be a war
awayatc
8th May 2009, 22:36
people are violent by nature...
very thin veneer of civilisation.....extremely thin
Katman
8th May 2009, 22:37
There does not need to be a war
Lets all have a big Kiwibiker cuddle.
Ok wtf... If he shot himself why did they just say "the siege continiues" and nothing of him shooting himself as I'm typing this?
The war on drugs is no different to any war... we as people are different... education is the drift of life.. simply educate your children. Part of my education involved a boot up the arse when i fucked up,sadly the do-gooders have removed that option,never mind eh the armed offenders will pick up the slack,wait until the "unsmackable ones" come of age.
The war on drugs is no different to any war... we as people are different... education is the drift of life.. simply educate your children.
!
Oh goody. Highly educated nutjobs going around killing people. That will be so much better.
scumdog
8th May 2009, 23:00
Oh come on. Where there's a will there's away, kiwi spirit and all that. Roll a tank in there and unless he's loaded with an RPG or armour piercing rounds i think they'd be able to use it as enough of a shield to retrieve the fallen. It's utterly disgusting that they haven't made the attempt given the resources and the "great minds" that they have at their disposal. If it all goes to shit, it's a tank, blow the fuck out of that part of the house...
Like someone said earlier, noone wants to take responsibility for the decision. Fly me up there, give me an unloaded tank and i'll do it myself, i'll take the risk to retrieve those that have been mercilessly slain over a bit of dope...
Seriously fuckin disgusted with the lack of resolution after this amount of time given the resources available...
Good ol' KB where the Monday morning quarter-backs spout off on the Friday night....ho hum...:oi-grr:
mashman
8th May 2009, 23:04
The cause of this sadness IS DEAD... and the police did everything the RIGHT way, I would like anyone on this site untrained to step into their shoes (I have high esteem for the police even with 4 speeding tickets) and all I can say in response to everyone is... the media are typically the media... they get it reasonably right, but hypothetical information is not FACT....
I'd like to agree with you there, but i can't. As much as this won't be greeted well, i still think the longer this goes on, the more it becomes a political/propoganda exercise. They should have and could have removed the dead officer earlier... but for some reason didn't... why is my question?
I may not have been trained, but I have been privvy to meetings at UN level (in their shoes if you like) and listened as the powers that be discuss conflict issues. Let's just say the humanitarian issue isn't top of the agenda... it's pretty disheartening to see and i fear this is what's happening here.
Napier siege continues ........ so much for suicide
ducatilover
8th May 2009, 23:08
Napier siege continues ........ so much for suicide
You can't be serious? God this is getting rather drawn out :eek5:
You can't be serious? God this is getting rather drawn out :eek5:
I shit you not :crazy:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2393477/Napier-siege-continues
I'd like to agree with you there, but i can't. As much as this won't be greeted well, i still think the longer this goes on, the more it becomes a political/propoganda exercise. They should have and could have removed the dead officer earlier... but for some reason didn't... why is my question?
I may not have been trained, but I have been privvy to meetings at UN level (in their shoes if you like) and listened as the powers that be discuss conflict issues. Let's just say the humanitarian issue isn't top of the agenda... it's pretty disheartening to see and i fear this is what's happening here. :beer:Fuck me,a conspiracy theory already:yawn:
fridayflash
8th May 2009, 23:17
my solution to the armed siege..send david bain in hehe, what armed,and
wearing full bulletproof gear i hear you say? no just his jersey..
truck loads of cops, armed offenders squad, srg, and the armys there with 3 apc's!
if the bastard wont kill himself, somone help him on his way
ducatilover
8th May 2009, 23:18
I shit you not :crazy:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2393477/Napier-siege-continues
Shit, that is extreme:wacko:
fridayflash
8th May 2009, 23:23
all jokes aside i was in carlyle st at the time of the shooting and
didnt know about it yet and was talking to a fellow painter at the
paintshop who said he was painting len snee's office out in taradale
and we both agreed len was top bloke etc etc then we heard sirens
etc..didnt know until the press released it later that arvo that len was
the victim.fuck it! he realy was a fantastic guy
McDuck
8th May 2009, 23:36
Looks a little bit like they are using him to practice on, if the team can talk him out alive gives them a better shot of doing it for the next guy who has a hostage...
twinkle
8th May 2009, 23:55
I blame paintball for all these shootings, the Germans have got the right idea. http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,623518,00.html
:wacko::eek5:
short-circuit
9th May 2009, 00:00
Lets all have a big Kiwibiker cuddle.
ha ha - rub my titties Katboy
fredie
9th May 2009, 00:06
he tried to shoot more cops :crazy:
ducatilover
9th May 2009, 00:10
he tried to shoot more cops :crazy:
when? :eek5:
Indiana_Jones
9th May 2009, 00:19
If you're in a hole, dig your way out!
-Indy
fredie
9th May 2009, 01:15
the guy is still alive . been shooting again at cops . anything outside again :eek5:
spudchucka
9th May 2009, 05:52
Napier siege continues ........ so much for suicide
So much for believing anything the media say.
madbikeboy
9th May 2009, 06:36
So much for believing anything the media say.
The media is like the rumour mill right now, reporting heresay as fact.
One report came out that they have managed to rescue the dog out of the van - stoked at that bit of news. Earlier reports sounded ominous.
Sniper
9th May 2009, 07:59
Bloody sad day in NZ when this has to happen. Thoughts go out to the family and friends on the injured police.
Frankly, scum like Jan Molenaar should not be allowed to come out of that house breathing. Paranoia or not.
The guy shot himself !!! Last night !!!!
The guy shot himself !!! Last night !!!!
After the media's last efforts ,I'll believe he is dead when they show the BODY :argh:
After the media's last efforts ,I'll believe he is dead when they show the BODY :argh:
This has not come from the media... didn't you know I was sleeping with the ................... and its a fact... I don't lie (all joking aside)... this is the truth... the media knew nothing, for possibly two reasons, they had not been or have not been informed, and/or they are milking it... which is even sadder.
The guy shot himself last night around dinner time 6pmish, FACT
i wanna see proof :girlfight:
Headbanger
9th May 2009, 09:32
The guy shot himself last night around dinner time 6pmish, FACT
Must be a terrible shot then, If he can't even hit himself then the cops should be sweet as to just stroll on in.
i wanna see proof :girlfight:
I guess we will just have to wait for the 10am report!!! from police!!!!
Jantar
9th May 2009, 09:37
Shorthly before 7:30 pm last night while the police commander was being interviewed on TV, some armed police were leaving the area and an ambulance was allowed into the so called danger zone. When the commander was asked if the offender was dead he claimed that he didn't know, but his body language screamed liar. He did know, and could have answered with a "No Comment", but instead chose to lie outright.
Have we all got such short memories about a discussion only a few months ago where it was made clear that ambulalnce staff would not be permitted inside the police cordon until the police were sure that all offenders had been dealt with. Here we have an abulance not just entering the cordoned area but going right into the danger zone. That showed that the offender was either dead or captured by 7:30 pm last night.
The police will be wanting to go though the house with a fine tooth comb because of the reports the guy has explosive experiance. Better to do that in daylight hours btw.
They wouldn't just bowl on in.
short-circuit
9th May 2009, 09:45
He did know, and could have answered with a "No Comment", but instead chose to lie outright.
Standard police procedure isn't it?
Headbanger
9th May 2009, 09:46
Standard police procedure isn't it?
He must have been tired, Thought he was in court.
FJRider
9th May 2009, 09:47
Perhaps ... the armed police leaving, were finishing their shift. AND ... there is more than one offender in the house... ???
Shorthly before 7:30 pm last night while the police commander was being interviewed on TV, some armed police were leaving the area and an ambulance was allowed into the so called danger zone. When the commander was asked if the offender was dead he claimed that he didn't know, but his body language screamed liar. He did know, and could have answered with a "No Comment", but instead chose to lie outright.
Have we all got such short memories about a discussion only a few months ago where it was made clear that ambulalnce staff would not be permitted inside the police cordon until the police were sure that all offenders had been dealt with. Here we have an abulance not just entering the cordoned area but going right into the danger zone. That showed that the offender was either dead or captured by 7:30 pm last night.
Thanks.... :) I was informed aprox 6pm yesterday evening he was dead!!! but no one seems to believe me... :(
boomer
9th May 2009, 09:58
Thanks.... :) I was informed aprox 6pm yesterday evening he was dead!!! but no one seems to believe me... :(
so you know a policeman, ambo or someone else in a public servant capacity.. big deal.
Other than the old women bleating on here do you think ANY one cares and do you really believe your 'source' would be happy about you misusing there confidence..??!
i lol'd at the this thread.. and the old women chin wagging.
yungatart
9th May 2009, 10:17
As of 9.00 am the siege in Napier continues. Streets are still cordoned off, the ordinary man in the street is still inconvenienced, there is still a huge police presence in our city, the army and helicopters are still here. People are still unable to return to/leave their homes.
I find it hard to believe that this man is dead, why else is it all still going on?
It is NOT over!
fredie
9th May 2009, 11:58
is this still going . cause i read somewhere that gunfire last night ???:mad:
steve_t
9th May 2009, 12:06
As of 9.00 am the siege in Napier continues. Streets are still cordoned off, the ordinary man in the street is still inconvenienced, there is still a huge police presence in our city, the army and helicopters are still here. People are still unable to return to/leave their homes.
I find it hard to believe that this man is dead, why else is it all still going on?
It is NOT over!
In case they open the door to the house and the whole house turns into a giant crater taking neighbouring houses with it. The gunman's mate said it's highly possible that the house was booby trapped with explosives.
at least the army got to use the laav's, first and last time i suppose
Sigh, it is still going on because who would walk into a house where it is highly likely (as stated)... that there are bombs, booby traps etc. I would suggest people stop listening to the news, and wait till its all over to receive the facts.
I feel for the community!!! and for the families involved. :(
Headbanger
9th May 2009, 12:39
Stuff are reporting that he's dead, and that he was watching a downloaded copy of "Mens group" when he couldn't take it any longer and put a bullet in his head.
Herald reports him as dead - it is over!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10571356
yungatart
9th May 2009, 12:57
Herald reports him as dead - it is over!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10571356
Police have yet to confirnm this.
I believe The Herald has been growled at.....
And so it continues.....
The guy died aprox 6pm yesterday evening.
scumdog
9th May 2009, 13:04
Herald reports him as dead - it is over!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10571356
Pfft, that icon of truth and accuracy?
Almost as good as TV3.
The patience is being tested .. .the guy died the moment he decided to kill a cop .. thats the truth .. he sent his partner out of the house knowing he would not live through the ordeal ....
All the speculation is horrific ... waiting for an official word would be good ... relying on the media is a waste of time - as half of what they come up with comes out the hole which helps their body excrete.
FJRider
9th May 2009, 13:10
Just on the news... Police report him as dead.
twotyred
9th May 2009, 13:10
National radio has reported him found dead in the master bedroom... take it to the bank
FJRider
9th May 2009, 13:23
At least there is not going to be any long drawn-out (legal-aid assisted) trial, One funeral would have been enough. His may not be well attended... except by the media.
candor
9th May 2009, 13:42
Ya fucken cretin, - you're trying to tell us your average or garden variety of stoner is a laid-back peacefull type that doesn't wield semi-auto rifles eh? - only this one did??
Tuis moment...
Cannabis is so peaceful dude, no violence, ever..pffft..
But then once ?sobred up you say they were only going to a low level cannabis bust - maybe glasses needs to lose the Nandor Tanczos rosetint. The guy had a seige mentality feeling his rights were invaded by prohibition, or any authority it seems. Likely stirred up atop other stressors by law reform activists, his steroids and this (grass not greener for everyman)...
Individuals meeting diagnostic criteria for marijuana dependence were 3.8 more likely than control subjects to be violent. Source - Mental Disorders and Violence in a Total Birth Cohort - Results From the Dunedin Study of 1000
And Waikato Clinical School, Univ of Auckland,findings suggest a mechanism for cannabis-induced violence (Study - Changes in brain function during acute cannabis intoxication)
A review of the literature on marijuana and interpersonal violence, Todd M. Moore, a, and Gregory L. Stuart – "results of cross-sectional and longitudinal research provide support for an association between marijuana use/withdrawal and violence".
I wonder if he was a member here... details coming out sound familiar.
SixPackBack
9th May 2009, 13:53
The cunts going to die ....................
..........Who could have predicted it:whistle:
The guy died aprox 6pm yesterday evening.
Yes he did, we all know this, but because that 'official' response to that very question last night (face to face) said otherwise, we must for the time being, beleive the official word. I have not kept up with proceedings today, its all over, move back everybody...now what about that swine flu?...:yawn:
Indiana_Jones
9th May 2009, 14:20
Had a feeling the cunt would top himself.
and a semi-auto? He could have some class and use a Martini or Bolt action rifle!
-Indy
Headbanger
9th May 2009, 14:20
At least now the media can go back to hyping up Swine Flu.
It will kill us all I tell ya.
tri boy
9th May 2009, 14:22
now what about that swine flu?...:yawn:
Australia has just confirmed it's first case. The woman recovered as soon as she moved away from her Aussie husband:rofl:
Skyryder
9th May 2009, 15:35
Australia has just confirmed it's first case. The woman recovered as soon as she moved away from her Aussie husband:rofl:
That's what I like about Aussie jokes/pisstakes ya can never be accused of racism as they are the same colour as us nor can you be accused of culture insensitivity as they don't have a culture.:jerry::dodge:
That's for Isaac Luke:2thumbsup
Skyryder
Fatt Max
9th May 2009, 17:55
That's what I like about Aussie jokes/pisstakes ya can never be accused of racism as they are the same colour as us nor can you be accused of culture insensitivity as they don't have a culture.:jerry::dodge:
That's for Isaac Luke:2thumbsup
Skyryder
Dead right sir,
And they also have no culture or sophistication....at least our Kiwi girls have tatoo's that are spelt right...
...at least our Kiwi girls have tatoo's that are spelt right...Whats the difference between an Australian girl and a lumberjack? The lumberjack makes an effort to cover it's penis when appearing in public
http://www.yourfunnystuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/men-in-thongs-at-bar.jpg
carver
9th May 2009, 19:01
Had a feeling the cunt would top himself.
and a semi-auto? He could have some class and use a Martini or Bolt action rifle!
-Indy
how about a norinco JW27?
Indiana_Jones
9th May 2009, 19:14
how about a norinco JW27?
Na, Lee-Enfields and Whincester lever actions!
PrincessBandit
9th May 2009, 19:25
... One funeral would have been enough. His may not be well attended... except by the media.
And his unfortunate family. I feel so sorry for them. And the friends he appears to have had. Even people who attract all sorts of shit reactions and responses due to their behaviour have people who care for them and are affected by their despicable actions and demise.
PrincessBandit
9th May 2009, 19:37
Great news too, just heard the police dog is alive and well after 2 days locked in the van. Sure looked happy to be out! Hope she and her handler have a happy reunion soon.
Paul in NZ
9th May 2009, 19:39
Gawd - what a bloody mess. Stanley graham again??? (doubt it)
Frankly I cannot be arsed working through megga pages of rubbish in this thread but suffice to say, lets all wait to see how this pans out.... In my very humble opinion 'normal' people, even dope fiends, do NOT wig out and shoot crowds - regardless of the potential offence. Theres a bigger story here someplace.
(as an aside how the fuck can a dude that has not had a real job for a very long time have his kinda lifestyle?????)
spacemonkey
9th May 2009, 19:55
how about a norinco JW27?
Bah if it's not a Mosin (http://www.mouseguns.com/compare.htm) your a girly man! :girlfight:
Timber020
9th May 2009, 21:12
This is one piece of gear could have flushed him out. It can go through walls, doors or even floors, up stairs and theres no barracade that will stop it. Add camera and some flash bangs and this thing would be a nightmare to face.It could get up to him and flashbang and tear gas him stupid or near dead, and follow him around the house. Only requires a little more armour to be completely bulletproof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpnfnpU65jg&feature=related
carver
9th May 2009, 21:23
Na, Lee-Enfields and Whincester lever actions!
black powder anyone?
RantyDave
9th May 2009, 21:57
(as an aside how the fuck can a dude that has not had a real job for a very long time have his kinda lifestyle?????)
Well, he was selling weed, wasn't he? And in enough quantity to attract the law's attention.
Dave
spudchucka
10th May 2009, 06:39
(as an aside how the fuck can a dude that has not had a real job for a very long time have his kinda lifestyle?????)
Selling dope maybe?
Grahameeboy
10th May 2009, 07:05
Selling dope maybe?
Don't give him too many clues.....
sunhuntin
10th May 2009, 07:49
Selling dope maybe?
chances are he was living off tax payer dollars to boot.
Paul in NZ
10th May 2009, 09:22
Selling dope maybe?
Oh no - surely not? I mean his mate reckoned it was just a few tinnies to friends.... They said it on TV and everything..
In my limited experience in life I've often found that the drug of choice does not really matter to these people. It the fact that its naughty and being a roughty toughty outlaw is where the real buzz is!
You could legalise pot tomorrow and he would find something else....
Scouse
10th May 2009, 10:12
I read that someone close to him said that steroid abuse, for his body building was the more likely cause of his tantrum, and not "P".
scumdog
10th May 2009, 10:23
I read that someone close to him said that steroid abuse, for his body building was the more likely cause of his tantrum, and not "P".
It'll all come out in the wash as they say but I suspect you may not be too far from the truth.
The worrying thing was that he was prepared for such an event (guns, explosives, etc)
And his drongo mates wouldn't be of any help...(oops, did I say he had drongo mates?:whistle:)
ynot slow
10th May 2009, 10:31
It'll all come out in the wash as they say but I suspect you may not be too far from the truth.
The worrying thing was that he was prepared for such an event (guns, explosives, etc)
And his drongo mates wouldn't be of any help...(oops, did I say he had drongo mates?:whistle:)
Nah his dumb mates are probably in with him,they wouldn't let the cops know anything,now they feel embarassed maybe due to the fact they maybe thought he won't do it,he's all talk.
Paul in NZ
10th May 2009, 11:17
Nah his dumb mates are probably in with him,they wouldn't let the cops know anything,now they feel embarassed maybe due to the fact they maybe thought he won't do it,he's all talk.
I'll bet a pound of farty weasel bums some of his 'mates' are rather proud of him as is his civic minded neighbour that painted 'LEGEND' rather neatly on his roof... Good grief...
Free democratic societies give citizens the right to express their veiws and opportunity to effect change (such as legalising cannibis if you have a mind to). The other side of this is that for these societies to function, these same folks need to abide by the decision of the majority if it goes against them. Sometimes the law seems unfair, but we do live in a society where a small group of people CAN change society if they do it right.
Gawd knows how this will all end up but I think there were a few heroes out there that day and certainly some villians.
MSTRS
10th May 2009, 11:22
It'll all come out in the wash...
I'm not so sure of that. There are so many stories of all sorts as regards this nutter's motivation/s. Any one of which could be true, or contain elements of the truth, or be complete bullshit fabricated by someone else with an ax to grind. The only one who really knew (and even then, did he?) won't telling, will he?
Gang member/associate
Hated gangs
Drug dealer/manufacturer
Hated drugs
Gentle soul
Aggressive rambo type
Harmless bodybuilder/health freak
Steroids ab/user
Reclusive loner-type
Lots of friends from all walks of life
No-one welcome at his house, unless invited
The latest story would have us believe that he got very upset with anyone who mentioned his father. Ergo - he must have suffered some sort of abuse at his hands and developed a hatred of authority. Reports would have him taking great delight in 'putting one over the council' on the issue of a building permit.
The only thing I know is that in the mid-90s I was a lawnmowing contractor and did the girlfriend's lawn. I think she was with her previous partner then, and he was an unfriendly sort who seemed to be suspicious of my presence on the property. People are generally attracted to the same personality type when in a relationship.
Draw your own conclusions.
Skyryder
10th May 2009, 11:33
Anyone with a 'Rambo' mindset is going to come to greif.
Skyryder
candor
10th May 2009, 12:23
Every news report confirms and deepens the verdict that he had a narcissistic personality disorder. This plus drugs especially ones capable of strengthening paranoia is a very dangerous combination making the spree killing (fits FBI criteria) no surprise. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2399155/Napier-gunman-paranoid-about-police
Swoop
10th May 2009, 16:58
"Does the family of Police Officer care?" - in time they will I'm sure but they have enough on their plate right now
Surprisingly enough, they do. I work with a relative of the fallen officer and he is a damned "good bastard".
I will be passing on personal regards when I see him next.
Good ol' KB where the Monday morning quarter-backs spout off on the Friday night....ho hum...:oi-grr:
Kiwis actually know what a quaterback is? C'mon, it's thugby or nothing on a Monday morning...
awayatc
10th May 2009, 18:33
Anyone with a 'Rambo' mindset is going to come to greif.
Skyryder
didn't hurt Sylvester Stalone much........
Indiana_Jones
10th May 2009, 18:38
Anyone with a 'Rambo' mindset is going to come to greif.
Skyryder
What is a "Rambo mindset"?
Serving one's country and getting alienated for it?
-Indy
awayatc
10th May 2009, 19:02
making lots of sequels....
PirateJafa
10th May 2009, 19:25
making lots of sequels....
Not that there's anything wrong with that if it works.
Rambo 4 was excellent! :niceone:
Police Academy, on the other hand...
Indiana_Jones
10th May 2009, 19:42
making lots of sequels....
I think someone should of told him before he put the gun in his mouth.....:crazy:
-Indy
PirateJafa
10th May 2009, 19:47
I think someone should of told him before he put the gun in his mouth.....:crazy:
-Indy
That doesn't preclude a sequel.
<img src="http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5382/robo.png">
SARGE
11th May 2009, 07:07
wow .. gotta say im amazed on so many levels ..
1) ONE MAN paralized your entire police force/ army / SAS. god help you if someone REALLY motivated gave it a go..i bet Al Qeda is watching this story with interest..
2)your leaders left a man behind lying dead on the sidewalk for 2 days. (SEMPER FI)
3) youve killed a cop.. shot 2 more and you're armed to the teeth and barricaded inside your house and you SHOOT YOURSELF?????.. FFS man .. no glory in eating a bullet ..nows when ya find out
4) i never realized KB was so full of Tactical Entry Specialists, Psychiatrists and all around hard men.. go on boys .. the police obviously need your help .. go join up and prove how utterly BAD you are .. you coulda sorted this out in an hour by yourself
5) the police Intel / profiling units obviously failed.. as did the NZ Unarmed Police policy.. you serve a drug warrant.. ANY Drug warrant .. you go in with a SWAT team.. not a friendly knock on the door
just my opinion ..
jrandom
11th May 2009, 07:34
ONE MAN paralized your entire police force/ army / SAS...
Does sitting tight and waiting for him to shoot himself or otherwise fuck up count as 'paralysed'? Seems like a reasonable approach to me. I'm sure many things would've been done differently if he'd had a hostage in there with him.
i bet Al Qeda is watching this story with interest..
Chortle, snort.
youve killed a cop.. shot 2 more and you're armed to the teeth and barricaded inside your house and you SHOOT YOURSELF?????.. FFS man ..
Maybe he decided that he'd made the wrong call originally, was a very bad man, and would save everybody the trouble of bothering with him further?
you serve a drug warrant.. ANY Drug warrant .. you go in with a SWAT team.. not a friendly knock on the door
Well, yes.
fatzx10r
11th May 2009, 07:45
wow .. gotta say im amazed on so many levels ..
1) ONE MAN paralized your entire police force/ army / SAS. god help you if someone REALLY motivated gave it a go..i bet Al Qeda is watching this story with interest..
2)your leaders left a man behind lying dead on the sidewalk for 2 days. (SEMPER FI)
3) youve killed a cop.. shot 2 more and you're armed to the teeth and barricaded inside your house and you SHOOT YOURSELF?????.. FFS man .. no glory in eating a bullet ..nows when ya find out
4) i never realized KB was so full of Tactical Entry Specialists, Psychiatrists and all around hard men.. go on boys .. the police obviously need your help .. go join up and prove how utterly BAD you are .. you coulda sorted this out in an hour by yourself
5) the police Intel / profiling units obviously failed.. as did the NZ Unarmed Police policy.. you serve a drug warrant.. ANY Drug warrant .. you go in with a SWAT team.. not a friendly knock on the door
just my opinion ..
yeah well this aint the states. cant just call in an air strike, destroy a town and say job well done
Katman
11th May 2009, 08:20
yeah well this aint the states.
Thank fuck for that.
Swoop
11th May 2009, 09:02
cant just call in an air strike...
Yes. Thank the Labour gubbinment for that.:whistle:
boomer
11th May 2009, 09:14
.... cant just call in an air strike, destroy a town and say job well done
i larfed so much i weeeeeeeeed
wow .. gotta say im amazed on so many levels .
2)your leaders left a man behind lying dead on the sidewalk for 2 days. (SEMPER FI)
its only the septic tank, oohhaaaargh forces, that extract everyone immediately.... the rest just run away like the french ! And yes i can comment, i was commander and chief once on Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield 2!
The sad thing about all this is that most of NZ actually enjoyed this saga, especially the Napier residents. Sure, there were a few people unnecessarily afraid but when I watched the news, the place was crawling with monkeys and parasites with big smiles on their faces.
And so much for all the Napier people complaining about the inconvenience... most of them are unemployed for christ sake. What else did they have to do?
The sad thing is that the government invaded a mans property, then wondered why he defended himself.
If he had gone to the cop shop and attacked them I'd be happy to jump on the "hes just a psycho" bandwagon, but as far as I'm concerned he was defending his property. I'd personally have no moral qualms with shooting dead trespassers on my property, including the police.
MSTRS
11th May 2009, 09:35
... most of them are unemployed for christ sake.
Fuck off...
I'd personally have no moral qualms with shooting dead trespassers on my property, including the police.
You just went to the top of The List...
Fuck off...
Stop being a drama queen and get a job.
boomer
11th May 2009, 09:44
Stop being a drama queen and get a job.
A CEO position will allow u to sit on KB all day poking fun at the under priviliged..
MSTRS
11th May 2009, 09:47
Stop being a drama queen and get a job.
Oh, I have a job...it's just that no-one else seems to think so. Send me some work?
PS - I'm getting haircut today, ok?
A CEO position will allow u to sit on KB all day poking fun at the under priviliged..
It's a tough job man, I don't even take a lunch break.
boomer
11th May 2009, 09:53
It's a tough job man, I don't even take a lunch break.
i know.. Dover told me, numerous times !
Oh, I have a job...it's just that no-one else seems to think so. Send me some work?
PS - I'm getting haircut today, ok?
Cool. Just lay off the steroids.
boomer
11th May 2009, 09:56
Cool. Just lay off the steroids.
Steroids or Hemorrhoids..??
Steroids or Hemorrhoids..??
They both give you shooting pains.
Edit: Oops, perhaps that was a little bad taste.
awayatc
11th May 2009, 10:53
I'd personally have no moral qualms with shooting dead trespassers on my property, including the police.
Just what we need.........
Hope you do not have a firearms licence....
Please feel free to move to a country where your views are being accepted...
Afghanistan and Iraq come to mind...
NOT New Zealand....
Where do we dredge these sort of people out from....?
Skyryder
11th May 2009, 11:02
What is a "Rambo mindset"?
Serving one's country and getting alienated for it?
-Indy
Nope belieiving that you are 'above' the law, killing and shooting cops to prove it.
Skyryder
Skyryder
11th May 2009, 11:04
didn't hurt Sylvester Stalone much........
Nope but he was 'hiding' behind some writers. That's what these Rambo types seem to forget.
Skyyrder
The sad thing is that the government invaded a mans property, then wondered why he defended himself.
If he had gone to the cop shop and attacked them I'd be happy to jump on the "hes just a psycho" bandwagon, but as far as I'm concerned he was defending his property. I'd personally have no moral qualms with shooting dead trespassers on my property, including the police.
I would be interested on how you feel about the following.
Here is another nutter - who believes shooting trespassers is a fair and reasonable thing to do:
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/5557149/boy-7-mistaken-trespasser-shot/
Here a 7yo boy has been shot and may die - after stopping to do to the toilet:
"The boy, his five-year-old sister, their father and a family friend were off-roading near a residential area about 65km northeast of Houston when they were shot after stopping so the children could go to the bathroom.
Authorities said the couple fired after they mistakenly thought the group was trespassing on their property.
Bishop said the area includes a dirt road, trees and overgrown brush and that it wasn't uncommon for people to go off-roading there. The Houston Chronicle reported that a sign in front of the suspects' home reads: "Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be reshot!! Smile I will."
Liberty County Chief Deputy Ken DeFoor said Sheila Muhs fired a 12-gauge shotgun once, then handed it to her husband, who also fired once.
DeFoor said Sheila Muhs then called 911 and told the dispatcher: "They're out here tearing up the levee, so I shot them."
DeFoor said the levee belonged to the subdivision and was not private property.
Bishop said there was no indication the unarmed victims did anything threatening toward the Muhs."
Indiana_Jones
11th May 2009, 12:04
Nope belieiving that you are 'above' the law, killing and shooting cops to prove it.
Skyryder
Rambo never thought he was above the law and he didn't kill anyone....
-Indy
PirateJafa
11th May 2009, 13:03
Rambo never thought he was above the law and he didn't kill anyone....
-Indy
John Rambo ain't above the law - he IS the law.
And he never killed anyone. Cops, Asians and Arabs aren't real people. Oh and Russians too.
HenryDorsetCase
11th May 2009, 13:07
The sad thing is that the government invaded a mans property, then wondered why he defended himself.
If he had gone to the cop shop and attacked them I'd be happy to jump on the "hes just a psycho" bandwagon, but as far as I'm concerned he was defending his property. I'd personally have no moral qualms with shooting dead trespassers on my property, including the police.
twat
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spudchucka
11th May 2009, 15:34
The sad thing is that the government invaded a mans property, then wondered why he defended himself.
If he had gone to the cop shop and attacked them I'd be happy to jump on the "hes just a psycho" bandwagon, but as far as I'm concerned he was defending his property. I'd personally have no moral qualms with shooting dead trespassers on my property, including the police.
Well there you go, just when you think there couldn't be a bigger half-wit on the interweb than DB you manage to reset the standard for supreme stupidity.
Well done.
yungatart
11th May 2009, 15:43
The sad thing about all this is that most of NZ actually enjoyed this saga, especially the Napier residents. Sure, there were a few people unnecessarily afraid but when I watched the news, the place was crawling with monkeys and parasites with big smiles on their faces.
And so much for all the Napier people complaining about the inconvenience... most of them are unemployed for christ sake. What else did they have to do?
Actually, I don't know any Napierites who enjoyed the events of last week (and I know a few people here....incidentally,none of them are unemployed either!)
A typical wanky comment from a know- it- all Aucklander!
Actually, I don't know any Napierites who enjoyed the events of last week (and I know a few people here....incidentally,none of them are unemployed either!)
A typical wanky comment from a know- it- all Aucklander!
How about all the village idiots hanging around the cordon, jumping in front of the camera's doing tribe hand signals? AOS should have taken a few of them out to help pass the time.
Your Auckland comment hurt my feeling.
yungatart
11th May 2009, 16:08
How about all the village idiots hanging around the cordon, jumping in front of the camera's doing tribe hand signals? AOS should have taken a few of them out to help pass the time.
Your Auckland comment hurt my feeling.
Imports from Hastings....
Awwww! HTFU!
short-circuit
11th May 2009, 16:32
Well there you go, just when you think there couldn't be a bigger half-wit on the interweb than DB you manage to reset the standard for supreme stupidity.
Well done.
Well said, but Dangerousbastard specialises in longstanding stupidity and he is the original KB halfwit. This guy I suspect is just a troll
SARGE
11th May 2009, 16:34
PS - I'm getting haircut today, ok?
Dont do it man .. it never grows back the same ...
SARGE
11th May 2009, 16:37
cant just call in an air strike, destroy a town and say job well done
dont ya need an air force to do that ???
FFS man .. TANKS .. THEY HAD TANKS ..!!!
(well .. NZ's version of a tank..)
PirateJafa
11th May 2009, 16:45
FFS man .. TANKS .. THEY HAD TANKS ..!!!
(well .. NZ's version of a tank..)
Only one step away from a Hilux with a African and a 50. Cal on the back...
SARGE
11th May 2009, 16:54
i larfed so much i weeeeeeeeed
its only the septic tank, oohhaaaargh forces, that extract everyone immediately.... the rest just run away like the french ! And yes i can comment, i was commander and chief once on Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield 2!
sorry bro .. i was raised differently .. no one left behind etc.. im sure his family was in great shape knowing his body was rotting on the ground for all to see..
dont care .. this man was a police officer ..he goes to work every day to put himself between you and scumbags.. he had every one of his fellow police officers backs every day and would probably put his life on the line to protect them...
any man i served with KNEW that dead or alive he was coming home... i have personally delivered a friends body home to his mom after digging the kid out of the rubble (injured and in shock).. meant shit to the kid but at least his mother had some closure .. this police officers wife was in hell for 2 days..
and NOW the Harold is printing a quote calling the shooter " A BRAVE MAN"...
fuck that .. he shot himself.. sounds pretty chickenshit to me.. got all dressed up for a fight and fucked up the followthrough ..
(kinda like the AllBlacks really... )
sad comment really.. lack of leadership... lack of preparation.. lack of quality intel and lack of judgement...
fail.. fail.. fail.. fail.. fail..
SARGE
11th May 2009, 16:55
Only one step away from a Hilux with a African and a 50. Cal on the back...
those are pretty fuckin effective really ..
short-circuit
11th May 2009, 17:02
.. this man was a police officer ..he goes to work every day to put himself between you and scumbags.. he had every one of his fellow police officers backs every day and would probably put his life on the line to protect them...
any man i served with KNEW that dead or alive he was coming home... i have personally delivered a friends body home to his mom after digging the kid out of the rubble (injured and in shock).. meant shit to the kid but at least his mother had some closure .. this police officers wife was in hell for 2 days.
Fuck'n typical melodramatic Yank
ducatilover
11th May 2009, 17:04
Fuck'n typical melodramatic Yank
better than a dutch man.
scumdog
11th May 2009, 17:08
The sad thing is that the government invaded a mans property, then wondered why he defended himself.
If he had gone to the cop shop and attacked them I'd be happy to jump on the "hes just a psycho" bandwagon, but as far as I'm concerned he was defending his property. I'd personally have no moral qualms with shooting dead trespassers on my property, including the police.
Noice troll,:2thumbsup
Although I must say it was a tad peurile but you'll grow out of it and learn how to post real classy trolls...:whistle:
Oh, and if you ever call us to your place be sure and post us a letter first so's we know it's OK and you're not going to shoot at us, k'?
short-circuit
11th May 2009, 17:08
better than a dutch man.
debateable - maybe when it comes to getting money out of them
Indiana_Jones
11th May 2009, 17:10
John Rambo ain't above the law - he IS the law.
And he never killed anyone. Cops, Asians and Arabs aren't real people. Oh and Russians too.
Have you even seen first blood? lol
-Indy
ducatilover
11th May 2009, 17:12
debateable - maybe when it comes to getting money out of them
Tighter than a gnats ninny :argh:
Skyryder
11th May 2009, 17:16
Rambo never thought he was above the law and he didn't kill anyone....
-Indy
OK so I take it all back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loTkK5MGgbQ&feature=related
The kill count from the new Rambo movie. So he just kills the bad guys..........but didn't Jan Molanaar believe the cops were the bad guys................so perhaps I won't............take it back that is.
Skyryder
Has anyone here read Sun Tzu's book, "The art of war"? An ancient text dealing with conflicts.
Some good advice from there:
If possible, win without going to war. (Achieve your goals without resorting to armed conflict. This is the most elegant and advanced way of going about things.)
If you do have to go to war, KNOW YOUR ENEMY.
CHOOSE YOUR BATTLEGROUND.
CHOOSE THE TIME.
With all respect to those who sadly lost their lives in this sorry mess, particularly the innocent civilian and the police officer, then I suggest that the next time the police goes up against somebody they follow the basic principles outlined in that ancient text. Know your enemy. Choose the time and place for battle. If at all possible, avoid armed conflict.
All the best, and thanks to the NZ police for serving and protecting us.
short-circuit
11th May 2009, 17:21
All the best, and thanks to the NZ police for serving and protecting us.
Please...where'd you get that crumby line from? Sounds like something Sarge would announce
Skyryder
11th May 2009, 17:21
Has anyone here read Sun Tzu's book, "The art of war"? An ancient text dealing with conflicts.
Some good advice from there:
If possible, win without going to war. (Achieve your goals without resorting to armed conflict. This is the most elegant and advanced way of going about things.)
If you do have to go to war, KNOW YOUR ENEMY.
CHOOSE YOUR BATTLEGROUND.
CHOOSE THE TIME.
With all respect to those who sadly lost their lives in this sorry mess, particularly the innocent civilian and the police officer, then I suggest that the next time the police goes up against somebody they follow the basic principles outlined in that ancient text. Know your enemy. Choose the time and place for battle. If at all possible, avoid armed conflict.
All the best, and thanks to the NZ police for serving and protecting us.
I'm more interested in the BOOK OF FIVE RINGS.
Skyryder
Indiana_Jones
11th May 2009, 17:23
OK so I take it all back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loTkK5MGgbQ&feature=related
The kill count from the new Rambo movie. So he just kills the bad guys..........but didn't Jan Molanaar believe the cops were the bad guys................so perhaps I won't............take it back that is.
Skyryder
Rambo 2,3,4 are nothing like first blood. First Blood had a story to tell and didn't need countless explosions and deaths
The rest are just shoot 'em ups
-Indy
Slyer
11th May 2009, 17:37
those are pretty fuckin effective really ..
And you can afford 50 for the price of 1 LAV and its crew.
HenryDorsetCase
11th May 2009, 17:43
Rambo 2,3,4 are nothing like first blood. First Blood had a story to tell and didn't need countless explosions and deaths
The rest are just shoot 'em ups
-Indy
If you read the book, its basically an anti-Vietnam war book, and Rambo is depicted as a very troubled soul indeed, as is the pleece chief. Also the ending removes any possibility of a sequel.
Its called "First Blood" by David Morrell. Its really good, much much better than the film.
HenryDorsetCase
11th May 2009, 17:45
Only one step away from a Hilux with a African and a 50. Cal on the back...
and then along comes Eric Bana with a garotte wire and all of a sudden the Hilux with the .50 cal isnt a problem any more.
(one of my favourite scenes in Black Hawk Down. I think its the beautific smile Bana has while killing the gun crew, and his little skater helmet thing)
piston broke
11th May 2009, 17:50
just something,i have been involved in more than one 'bust' when i was a young fella.
why were there 3 SENIOR police there?others i've been in had one.
yes i do know jan's family.
i don't in anyway excuse Jan he fucked up big time but something isn't right ,just my opinion.
PirateJafa
11th May 2009, 17:50
those are pretty fuckin effective really ..
And you can afford 50 for the price of 1 LAV and its crew.
And you wouldn't need $48.8 million in yearly running costs for 'em either.
HenryDorsetCase
11th May 2009, 17:51
Has anyone here read Sun Tzu's book, "The art of war"? An ancient text dealing with conflicts.
Some good advice from there:
If possible, win without going to war. (Achieve your goals without resorting to armed conflict. This is the most elegant and advanced way of going about things.)
If you do have to go to war, KNOW YOUR ENEMY.
CHOOSE YOUR BATTLEGROUND.
CHOOSE THE TIME.
I've got a couple of different versions of it. Its excellent. I have [url=http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Art-War-Sun-Tzu-Ping-Fa/dp/0465072046/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242021036&sr=1-6]this[/url edition
Madness
11th May 2009, 17:52
Well I for one am extremely pleased to know that two (of the 105?) of the LAV's that Aunty Helen bought for us have now been deployed. Doing so without breaking down, or being caught speeding is just a bonus on top. What a brilliant purchase.
MSTRS
11th May 2009, 17:57
Somehow I doubt that the boys in blue would be have been looking too closely at things like current wof etc...
piston broke
11th May 2009, 18:02
Somehow I doubt that the boys in blue would be have been looking too closely at things like current wof etc...
tis true.
but i think they maybe looked at some things tooo closely, and other's no where near enough.
I figure it just sucks for everyone.
peace and love to all involved,i hope you all heal as well as can be expected.:hug:
Timber020
11th May 2009, 22:28
The sad thing is that the government invaded a mans property, then wondered why he defended himself.
If he had gone to the cop shop and attacked them I'd be happy to jump on the "hes just a psycho" bandwagon, but as far as I'm concerned he was defending his property. I'd personally have no moral qualms with shooting dead trespassers on my property, including the police.
Grand winner of the supreme dumb fuck with the tinfoil hat award.
Most rapists, puppy burners, psychopaths and child molesters think they are above the usual rules of society to, should have and be able to exercise rights well above normal social and moral norms. I hope you enjoy belonging to there club.
McDuck
11th May 2009, 22:51
most of them are unemployed for christ sake. What else did they have to do?
Most people got on with their jobs, sure as hell i did...
Horse
12th May 2009, 00:32
How about all the village idiots hanging around the cordon, jumping in front of the camera's doing tribe hand signals?
I can assure you they're found in every town and city in the country....
marty
12th May 2009, 11:12
(on the guns-for-cops argument) these guys have plenty of guns and firepower lying about and immediately available - didn't help them....
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10571813
Ixion
12th May 2009, 13:37
Symbolism is a powerful motivator and cohesive force within subversive groups, be those guerillas, terrorists , rebels or insurrectionists.
For instance. In 1993 US forces in Somalia suffered losses of men and material in the battle of Mogadishu. One symbol of that battle involved the dead body of a US Ranger being mistreated by Somalians. Following the battle, the US withdrew from Somalia . Within the global combat context the withdrawal made sense. It was the correct decision from an accountants perspective. The US losses were trivial on an absolute basis, and further military action would have achieved little.
None the less, some people believe that the withdrawal was a serious strategic error. Because it left unchallenged that symbol of a US serviceman's body being dragged behind a Jeep. That indignity went unpunished (appeared to, anyway).
There are many in the world, inimical to the US who remember that symbol, and take from it a message "You can bloody the nose of the USA and get away with it". That symbol encourages the enemies of the US "They took on the US Marines and won - so we can too". The message is flawed, the conclusion faulty, but the symbolism is powerful to overide such inconvenient truths.
Whenever an imam in a madrass wishes to encourage his 'students' he can remind them of it. It may be argued that the US should have immediately returned with overwhelming force, if only to rebut that message, to replace it with one of "Mess with the US and you WILL be clobbered, hard and fast"
So , likewise, the symbol of the body of that dead policeman is capable of sending a similar message to those in this country inimical to the state :
"He was only one guy on his own and he held off the police the anti terrorist squad the AOS , the army , even tanks for two days. They even had to leave the body of one of their own men rotting for two days. We are many. If they cannot clobber one man on his own, how could they stop so many of us. And we will not be so wimpy as to kill ourselves", some may reason.
Yes, that message is also flawed, that conclusion also faulty. But the symbolism of that dead cop lying there for two days is powerful. And there are groups in NZ receptive to that message. Forget Al-Queada, we have our own troublemakers.
For PC Plod to stand back and wait is sensible and effective. No one expects him to engage in a firefight. But once you call in people like the terrorist squad, let alone the Army, you up the ante. And the body was no ordinary body. It was the body of a slain police officer, a symbol of the state. Leaving it there for two days said "Despite having the full power of the State at our command we are powerless in the face of one man".
The decision not to forcibly extract the body of the police officer (and take out the gunman ) in a timely fashion , and send the message "Take down a police officer and you WILL be clobbered hard and fast", was undoubtedly the correct one. From an accountant's perspective.
But the folk taking encouragement from the symbol of that body lying there for two days are not accountants. We in NZ , far from such flashpoints of the world as Somalia, often assume "It couldn't happen here". That belief may be over optimistic. NZ may rue that symbol in years to come .
MSTRS
12th May 2009, 13:54
So, the perception of reality is greater than the reality of that reality?
A dead body is a powerful symbol of a bloodied nose, but it is not worth heaping windrows of more. It all depends on off-/de-fensive positions, fields of fire and what is behind the target.
Hmmm, every situation is different, but I suspect that should/when something like this happen again, it will be handled differently because of what has been learned (by both sides) from this event.
candor
12th May 2009, 14:12
I'd expected a tank onsite to collect the body much earlier - like when there was a prospect that Snee still lived and a ? need for medical care. Him left lying there like rubbish was utterly unacceptable. Why didn't retrieval under tank cover happen pronto - was it just logistical ie that none were handy, or did they not think of it fast enough? Would like to know at what time the tank was ordered. And yes the gunman is getting hero status - what about his dickhead mate putting a "legend" sign on his roof - Kiwi brand downgraded again.
MSTRS
12th May 2009, 14:17
I'd expected a tank onsite to collect the body much earlier - like when there was a prospect that Snee still lived and a ? need for medical care. Him left lying there like rubbish was utterly unacceptable. Why didn't retrieval under tank cover happen pronto - was it just logistical ie that none were handy, or did they not think of it fast enough? Would like to know at what time the tank was ordered. And yes the gunman is getting hero status - what about his dickhead mate putting a "legend" sign on his roof - Kiwi brand downgraded again.
Body was not in a position that would allow any vehicle to get between it and any firing position in the house.
The 'legend' guy will have signed up to a world of hurt, even if he can't be charged with anything.
Quasievil
12th May 2009, 15:00
This thread is a crack up, first up was the discussion on what had happened, then came the discussion as to how it should happen and now comes the discussion on what should of happened.............however none of you where there know anything about anything apart from what the media has said, ie you dont know anything and some of you are actually on a fucking high horse preaching your thoughts lol.
move on ........................
boomer
12th May 2009, 15:34
This thread is a crack up, first up was the discussion on what had happened, then came the discussion as to how it should happen and now comes the discussion on what should of happened.............however none of you where there know anything about anything apart from what the media has said, ie you dont know anything and some of you are actually on a fucking high horse preaching your thoughts lol.
move on ........................
Were you there?
SARGE
12th May 2009, 15:44
Symbolism is a powerful motivator and cohesive force within subversive groups, be those guerillas, terrorists , rebels or insurrectionists. For instance. In 1993 US forces in Somalia suffered losses of men and material in the battle of Mogadishu. One symbol of that battle involved the dead body of a US Marine (Sorry Sarge, no offence) being mistreated by Somalians. Following the battle, the US withdrew from Somalia . Within the global combat context the withdrawal made sense. It was the correct decision from an accountants perspective. The US losses were trivial on an absolute basis, and further military action would have achieved little. None the less, some people believe that the withdrawal was a serious strategic error. Because it left unchallenged that symbol of a US serviceman's body being dragged behind a Jeep. That indignity went unpunished (appeared to, anyway). There are many in the world, inimical to the US who remember that symbol, and take from it a message "You can bloody the nose of the USA and get away with it". That symbol encourages the enemies of the US "They took on the US Marines and won - so we can too". The message is flawed, the conclusion faulty, but the symbolism is powerful to overide such inconvenient truths. Whenever an imam in a madrass wishes to encourage his 'students' he can remind them of it. It may be argued that the US should have immediately returned with overwhelming force, if only to rebut that message, to replace it with one of "Mess with the US and you WILL be clobbered, hard and fast" So , likewise, the symbol of the body of that dead policeman is capable of sending a similar message to those in this country inimical to the state : "He was only one guy on his own and he held off the police the anti terrorist squad the AOS , the army , even tanks for two days. They even had to leave the body of one of their own men rotting for two days. We are many. If they cannot clobber one man on his own, how could they stop so many of us. And we will not be so wimpy as to kill ourselves", some may reason. Yes, that message is also flawed, that conclusion also faulty. But the symbolism of that dead cop lying there for two days is powerful. And there are groups in NZ receptive to that message. Forget Al-Queada, we have our own troublemakers. For PC Plod to stand back and wait is sensible and effective. No one expects him to engage in a firefight. But once you call in people like the terrorist squad, let alone the Army, you up the ante. And the body was no ordinary body. It was the body of a slain police officer, a symbol of the state. Leaving it there for two days said "Despite having the full power of the State at our command we are powerless in the face of one man". The decision not to forcibly extract the body of the police officer (and take out the gunman ) in a timely fashion , and send the message "Take down a police officer and you WILL be clobbered hard and fast", was undoubtedly the correct one. From an accountant's perspective. But the folk taking encouragement from the symbol of that body lying there for two days are not accountants. We in NZ , far from such flashpoints of the world as Somalia, often assume "It couldn't happen here". That belief may be over optimistic. NZ may rue that symbol in years to come .
no offense taken bro.. but your facts are slightly off..
the troops involved in the Battle of the Black Sea were US Army Rangers and members of the 10th Mountain division of the US Army as well as US Army Blackhawk and Cobra Helo's. no US Marines there.
when my shit went down 10 years prior to Mogadishu (1983, Beirut ), then President Ron Regan decided to pull the peacekeeping troops out of Lebanon and station us on a CBG offshore as a rapid response division. that in itself told Hezbolla that they US was a paper tiger. the individual Marines i served with wanted blood on the day ( many of us still do) but the suits in Washington decided to pull back.
i didnt join the USMC to be safe ...certainly didnt do all that 'marching band' training to be sitting 12 miles offshore.
im in favor of making the thought of war so horrible that no-one ever wants to do it again .. i mean get medieval a few times with the enemy to get the word around and the next 50 years or so is sorted
explain THAT to the hippies though.. sheesh
Ixion
12th May 2009, 16:14
Correction noted and made (not quite sure of the difference , but). Ranger, not Marine
Bonez
12th May 2009, 16:23
I can assure you they're found in every town and city in the country....And KB..................
ducatilover
12th May 2009, 16:28
This thread is a crack up, first up was the discussion on what had happened, then came the discussion as to how it should happen and now comes the discussion on what should of happened.............however none of you where there know anything about anything apart from what the media has said, ie you dont know anything and some of you are actually on a fucking high horse preaching your thoughts lol.
move on ........................
Burnt bagel mate?:innocent:
Quasievil
12th May 2009, 16:33
Were you there?
Nah But my Brothers mates cousins father was in the army once and he told him all about it and then told me all about it, Im so in the loop.
SARGE
12th May 2009, 16:58
Correction noted and made (not quite sure of the difference , but). Ranger, not Marine
USMC is a self sufficient rapid deployment force.. we have our own Infantry, heavy weapons, armor, air force and our own dedicated ships in the US Naval fleet, including submarines and Fast Attack ships. we also have our own logistics division within the battallion.
we can be deployed anywhere, any time, within 24 hours WITHOUT the need for the president to inform anyone.
the US Army Rangers are a job specialization.. they do not have an air, armor or naval contingent ( although they can be inserted via amphibious assault/ landing and can call in air/ armor/ heavy weapons support).. the president must inform Congress BEFORE he can deploy them ( or any Army/ Air Force/ Naval group)
US Marines can specialize and become Marine Rangers, but to become a Marine, you must go through the boot camp/ training..
US Marines can swap services ( to Army/ Air Force/ Navy) without the need to do Boot Camp. any services wishing to swap to the USMC must go through the USMC Boot Camp.
and Marines have cooler uniforms
Ixion
12th May 2009, 17:05
So the Rangers is nothing to do with Yogi Bear then ? One lives and learns.
How did the Marines get the Congressional non-approval thing?
HenryDorsetCase
12th May 2009, 17:26
USMC is a self sufficient rapid deployment force.. we have our own Infantry, heavy weapons, armor, air force and our own dedicated ships in the US Naval fleet, including submarines and Fast Attack ships. we also have our own logistics division within the battallion.
we can be deployed anywhere, any time, within 24 hours WITHOUT the need for the president to inform anyone.
the US Army Rangers are a job specialization.. they do not have an air, armor or naval contingent ( although they can be inserted via amphibious assault/ landing and can call in air/ armor/ heavy weapons support).. the president must inform Congress BEFORE he can deploy them ( or any Army/ Air Force/ Naval group)
US Marines can specialize and become Marine Rangers, but to become a Marine, you must go through the boot camp/ training..
US Marines can swap services ( to Army/ Air Force/ Navy) without the need to do Boot Camp. any services wishing to swap to the USMC must go through the USMC Boot Camp.
and Marines have cooler uniforms
I've done a bit of reading around this subject over the years and it seems to me that that the USMC/Navy model is the perfect model for the NZDF: I dont think we need three separate and to an extent competing bureaucracies with their hands in the cookie jar for limited resources. That USMC integrated foce model of is a really good one. As a very small nation stuck waaaaay out here in the pacific, it seems to me that Navy/Marines need to be the focus.
An interesting factoid I found out is that the USMC go back to 1775: much longer than I had thought.
Plus there is that USMC reputation for being double hard bastards.
peasea
12th May 2009, 17:33
32 pages of yawn.:whocares:
SARGE
12th May 2009, 18:00
I've done a bit of reading around this subject over the years and it seems to me that that the USMC/Navy model is the perfect model for the NZDF: I dont think we need three separate and to an extent competing bureaucracies with their hands in the cookie jar for limited resources. That USMC integrated foce model of is a really good one. As a very small nation stuck waaaaay out here in the pacific, it seems to me that Navy/Marines need to be the focus.
An interesting factoid I found out is that the USMC go back to 1775: much longer than I had thought.
Plus there is that USMC reputation for being double hard bastards.
Land, Sea, Air man .. first in, last out ..
but in NZ .. all ya really need is Humanitarian aid , Coastal Defense and S&R..a few SAS-type teams for the C/T roles and hostage rescue situations
coastal defense you can sort out with a few USCG (http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/usa/guard.htm)patrol boats/ Cutters and some Exocet missile systems .. Humanitarian Aid ya need a few of the new C117's like they had at the air show and maybe a couple big choppers
get the SAS to train the cops for national defense and its sorted ...
oh .. and give the cops guns ...and bullet proof vests ...
HenryDorsetCase
12th May 2009, 18:09
oh .. and give the cops guns ...and bullet proof vests ...
I agree with this entirely: Sidearm and ballistic vests, PROVIDED they get the training, and retraining, to use them properly. And shotguns (one per car).
Also, decriminalise marijuana, and assume that ANY drug related call will devolve into this scenario, send in properly equipped, properly armed people.
Jesus Christ, do our police senior officers not watch "Cops" FFS!
I mean I'm this fat balding middle aged specky twat, but if a policeman was to say to me "SHOW ME YOUR HANDS! GET ON THE GROUND! DO IT NOW OR I WILL TASE YOU" then instead of being lippy, and no matter how innocent I was (and am) you bet your ass I am getting on the ground....
I digress..
Swoop
12th May 2009, 18:32
I've done a bit of reading around this subject over the years and it seems to me that that the USMC/Navy model is the perfect model for the NZDF.
I suggested this in a room full of fishheads once. Talk about bitch and moan!
The three services have their traditions to uphold...
Stick them in one uniform and cut down on the BS.
scumdog
12th May 2009, 19:22
I mean I'm this fat balding middle aged specky twat, but if a policeman was to say to me "SHOW ME YOUR HANDS! GET ON THE GROUND! DO IT NOW OR I WILL TASE YOU" then instead of being lippy, and no matter how innocent I was (and am) you bet your ass I am getting on the ground....
I digress..
I noticed that in the States while out with the cops.
No slack-jawed, mouth-breathing gobby pimple-faced backwards-hat-wearing oik said "piss off ya fucken' pig" to them over there.
In fact NOBODY said that to them.
short-circuit
12th May 2009, 19:26
I noticed that in the States while out with the cops.
No slack-jawed, mouth-breathing gobby pimple-faced backwards-hat-wearing oik said "piss off ya fucken' pig" to them over there.
In fact NOBODY said that to them.
Rodney King probably didn't either
peasea
12th May 2009, 19:29
I noticed that in the States while out with the cops.
No slack-jawed, mouth-breathing gobby pimple-faced backwards-hat-wearing oik said "piss off ya fucken' pig" to them over there.
In fact NOBODY said that to them.
Perhaps the kids on the corner need some literacy training.........
short-circuit
12th May 2009, 19:31
No slack-jawed, mouth-breathing gobby pimple-faced backwards-hat-wearing oik said "piss off ya fucken' pig" to them over there.
In fact NOBODY said that to them.
We all know what people are thinking though eh?
scumdog
12th May 2009, 19:33
We all know what people are thinking though eh?
Sheesh - ya wanna know what the COP was thinking????
Gremlin
12th May 2009, 19:37
In fact NOBODY said that to them.
I'm sure a few of them have been taught consequences... and having seen the vids... no thanks, I don't need a personal lesson :no:
short-circuit
12th May 2009, 19:39
Sheesh - ya wanna know what the COP was thinking????
Goddamn tiring brutalising young negro males....think I've earned myself a donut or 12 ?
spudchucka
12th May 2009, 19:55
Rodney King probably didn't either
Or did he???
peasea
12th May 2009, 21:38
Sheesh - ya wanna know what the COP was thinking????
We already know that.
Rodney King probably didn't either
Rodney was an outstanding citizen... it's just that he can't take a punch or two.
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/lapd/kingarrests.html
HenryDorsetCase
13th May 2009, 11:50
Sheesh - ya wanna know what the COP was thinking????
Probably something along the lines of "Shit, my arm's getting tired, hopefully I will get some backup soon so I can take a rest"
:devil2:
HenryDorsetCase
13th May 2009, 12:04
I noticed that in the States while out with the cops.
No slack-jawed, mouth-breathing gobby pimple-faced backwards-hat-wearing oik said "piss off ya fucken' pig" to them over there.
In fact NOBODY said that to them.
Your life must be like living in an episode of "Cops", right?
"GIT AWN THA GRAAAAAHND, DO IT NOW. IF YOU DO NOT COMPLY I WILL SHOOT YOU"
marty
13th May 2009, 12:51
like steven wallace was told?
mmm - didn't that end well......
MSTRS
13th May 2009, 12:57
like steven wallace was told?
mmm - didn't that end well......
First, the lesson must be applied...
like steven wallace was told?
mmm - didn't that end well......
I thought the end was pretty much perfect.
HenryDorsetCase
13th May 2009, 14:05
like steven wallace was told?
mmm - didn't that end well......
Yes, yes it did. A fucktard who advanced on an armed policeman after being told to back off, drop his weapon and surrender was removed from the gene pool prior to propagating his defective genes.
Works for me: now I wont have to support him, or the next generation of mutants he wont now spawn.
Win-win I'd say.
scumdog
13th May 2009, 16:59
Your life must be like living in an episode of "Cops", right?
"GIT AWN THA GRAAAAAHND, DO IT NOW. IF YOU DO NOT COMPLY I WILL SHOOT YOU"
Ah, we all have our hobbies and distractions..
SARGE
13th May 2009, 17:44
Ah, we all have our hobbies and distractions..
my warning shots used to be aimed center mass..
only gotta do it once
maybe 3 times if the crowd gets ugly..
short-circuit
13th May 2009, 17:57
my warning shots used to be aimed center mass..
I hear ads all the time on the radio claiming they can fix your premature ejaculation problems
spacemonkey
13th May 2009, 18:30
I hear ads all the time on the radio claiming they can fix your premature ejaculation problems
Damn it, must spread my rep like wild oats before I can rep you again. :( :buggerd:
Patrick
18th May 2009, 13:26
Oh come on. Where there's a will there's away, kiwi spirit and all that. Roll a tank in there and unless he's loaded with an RPG or armour piercing rounds
Tank? In NZ??? They do not exist. Who knew that he didn't have these rounds???
i think they'd be able to use it as enough of a shield to retrieve the fallen.
Couldn't get around him to get between him and the shooter...
It's utterly disgusting that they haven't made the attempt given the resources and the "great minds" that they have at their disposal. If it all goes to shit, it's a tank, blow the fuck out of that part of the house...
No it aint... its a people mover, with a decent cannon on its snout.
Like someone said earlier, noone wants to take responsibility for the decision. Fly me up there, give me an unloaded tank and i'll do it myself, i'll take the risk to retrieve those that have been mercilessly slain over a bit of dope...
Seriously fuckin disgusted with the lack of resolution after this amount of time given the resources available...
These "tanks" you speak of... these LAVs? Went on one in Waiouru. Hope I heard it wrong, but they can't take a reasonably close range 303 let alone armour peircing rounds...
cops shoot themselves in their feet alot due to their holsters.
Yeah. That happens all the time. Daily even.
not at all.
this has nothing to do with age.
50 rounds a year is all your standard cop gets to play with a year.
Really????????
their piss poor hit record is well know.
Two incidents in what, 120 years?
i would go through 200+ rounds a night!
practice would help em alot!
Yes it would. Still..... Not enough rounds and not enough range time, you are right there..
like steven wallace was told?
mmm - didn't that end well......
Bloody oath it did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Swoop
18th May 2009, 13:59
Surprisingly enough, they do. I work with a relative of the fallen officer and he is a damned "good bastard".
I will be passing on personal regards when I see him next.
Promise kept.
short-circuit
18th May 2009, 17:58
Get over it
smoky
8th June 2009, 11:36
This is the most stupid shit you have ever come up with. guess you must have spent too much time in the fringe gay tent smoking pot at your "Burning man" gay festival.
You're off on a gay rant again! You missed his point and show a complete in-ability to discuss anything without getting personal or talking about homo's?
NDORFN
8th June 2009, 11:39
Highway Patrol = Pigs
They weren't Highway Patrol.
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