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rachprice
11th May 2009, 10:09
Actually missed the first race but just heard the commentators say Ben Spies ran out of gas in the first race!
What the fuck?
I hope heads will roll for that!
Not that I can really talk I always run out on the track, but you would think that in a world superbike race that they would have their shit together
I guess at least he is cranking in race 2! Poor Haga though
not impressed with the broadcasters who decided they should only show delayed coverage at 6:30am.
fuckers.
please excuse the offtopic.
as you were.
rachprice
11th May 2009, 10:21
nah nah all good...and yeah bit weird hey?
At least he didnt run out this time!
God that boy is fast! Cant wait to see him in GP
NZsarge
11th May 2009, 10:57
not impressed with the broadcasters who decided they should only show delayed coverage at 6:30am.
fuckers.
Good thing I go to work tonight aye? :pinch: ;)
nah nah all good...and yeah bit weird hey?
At least he didnt run out this time!
God that boy is fast! Cant wait to see him in GP
According to the commentators there was a rumour going around Suzuki wanted him for Moto GiP next year but they also took the time to say it is not true. Spies for Tech 3 Yamaha squad in the near future?
rachprice
11th May 2009, 10:58
Yeah there was also that rumour about Spies taking Toselands ride...I guess we will see hey?
NZsarge
11th May 2009, 11:04
Yeah there was also that rumour about Spies taking Toselands ride...I guess we will see hey?
I would not be at all surprised, and ofcourse they could do a straight swap....
Duke girl
11th May 2009, 11:55
How Gut wrenching it was to see Spies run out of fuel in the last lap after such a great race he rode and he truely did deserve the win, even though I barrick for the Ducatis.
I thought the mechanics in his team would do their calculations into making sure that his bike would have enough fuel to do the laps required for the race. He seemed to have had enough in the tank to finish the 2nd race. And Congratulations to him for finishing on top of that 1.
That was 1 spectacular crash at the start of the 1st race delaying the start by an hour an a half. Just happy that everyone who was involved in it got out of it ok, even though 2 riders broke their legs and wont be racing now for about 6 weeks.
Crasherfromwayback
11th May 2009, 12:01
Actually missed the first race but just heard the commentators say Ben Spies ran out of gas in the first race!
What the fuck?
I hope heads will roll for that!
I hope Spies insists that the cabbage that miscalculated that pays him his win bonus he missed out on!!
Thats raceing run out of gas 200 meters before the finish but he didnt look to upset only gutted, commentators are correct Ben either finishes first or not at all but I think he got a point.
I hope Spies insists that the cabbage that miscalculated that pays him his win bonus he missed out on!!
Reading the reports it seems as though he had a full tank but that wasn't enough!! So it may have been a miscalculation by his race engineer calculating his engine mapping etc but he may have been riding harder than in practice. Hard to know for sure though.
Haga made a royal cock up of that opportunity. Looking at the coverage it looked as though he hit a bird going through the second corner in the lead of lap 1 in the second race and that is what demoted him to 15th. If he had of just cruised home and taken 10 points it would have certainly made things easier for the rest of the season. Spies is only going to get faster, not sure how much faster haga can get?
Cajun
11th May 2009, 13:00
Haga made a royal cock up of that opportunity. Looking at the coverage it looked as though he hit a bird going through the second corner in the lead of lap 1 in the second race and that is what demoted him to 15th. If he had of just cruised home and taken 10 points it would have certainly made things easier for the rest of the season. Spies is only going to get faster, not sure how much faster haga can get?
“Right at the start of Race two I was hit by a bird on my right arm; it hurt a lot and I lost all sensation, with strong pain and pins and needles in my right arm and hand. I tried to continue to race but it was too difficult to ride and as a result I unfortunately fell. Yes it hurts but I should be back in top shape very soon."
Quote from haga
roogazza
11th May 2009, 19:22
Reading the reports it seems as though he had a full tank but that wasn't enough!! So it may have been a miscalculation by his race engineer calculating his engine mapping etc but he may have been riding harder than in practice. Hard to know for sure though.
Haga made a royal cock up of that opportunity. Looking at the coverage it looked as though he hit a bird going through the second corner in the lead of lap 1 in the second race and that is what demoted him to 15th. If he had of just cruised home and taken 10 points it would have certainly made things easier for the rest of the season. Spies is only going to get faster, not sure how much faster haga can get?
Do you think the Ducati might need a little bit more than a polish after that off ? That corner looks pretty daunting ? Gaz.
Do you think the Ducati might need a little bit more than a polish after that off ? That corner looks pretty daunting ? Gaz.
Yeah would have been a 150k+ off. It cleared the tyre wall and landed over the back where the marshals were standing! The pile up at the first corner would have probably had a slightly bigger bill!!
slowpoke
12th May 2009, 00:51
I hope heads will roll for that!
Nah, that's why it's a team sport, and you support your team mates. Should Spies be booted out 'cos he touched a wheel on the astro-turf and trashed a bike and possibly the team's title hopes? Hell no, you learn from your mistakes and move on.
There are just too many variables to say "you're a cock!" and boot the person out. It coulda been Spies fault for all we know, he may have had a couple of maps to select from and taken the chance on running the thirsty one too long, he may have said "That's all I've got!" in testing, fuel calculated +5% and then found a bit more during the race.
There are far too many variables to lay blame, and even if you could why would you draft in someone new when you can guarantee whoever fucked up would never make that mistake again.
RocKai
12th May 2009, 01:56
Fabrizio was fast in corners, Haga just can't keep up. That was a good battle and a come back but that was so so so gutted for Spies. That guy deserve a bling.
The most annoying thing of the race is when it suddenly lost the audio/sounds/commentators when Spies run out of Gas at the end of race 1. I was like WTF WTF WTF HAPPENED??? WHY DID HE STOP? WERE THERE TITS??? Maybe the commentator got too excited and peed on his transmitter below the table. :bash:
Crasherfromwayback
12th May 2009, 08:27
There are far too many variables to lay blame, and even if you could why would you draft in someone new when you can guarantee whoever fucked up would never make that mistake again.
Thing being...if that fuckup had'nt have happened...the gap would've been down to around 25 points now...if they lose the title by that many points...
I don't think running out of fuel at that level of racing is good enough. Moto GP where the fuel loads are restricted to 21 litres maybe...but the superbikes carry more than that and should make it through an 18 lap race. It was a total balls up. Didn't see anyone else running out.
Cajun
12th May 2009, 08:31
that is the offical line that 'ran out of fuel', but honstly they could be telling fibs for all we know, could be hundreds of other reasons.
SPman
12th May 2009, 15:21
Perhaps a piston came through the block and knocked the injectors off..........
Thing being...if that fuckup had'nt have happened...the gap would've been down to around 25 points now...if they lose the title by that many points...
Yes if they loose by 25 points it will be bens fault, if he didn't crash at assen or valencia...
Crasherfromwayback
12th May 2009, 16:01
Yes if they loose by 25 points it will be bens fault, if he didn't crash at assen or valencia...
Crashing is part and parcel of racing...I'm sure you know that. Running out of fuel aint!
Crashing is part and parcel of racing...I'm sure you know that. Running out of fuel aint!
Well aren't mechanical/bike problems too? Sometimes they aren't as obvious as running out of fuel but as someone else said, its a team sport. Everyone makes mistakes including the rider and their pit crew. Its the team that makes the least mistakes that is usually the one that comes out on top. :scooter:
discotex
12th May 2009, 21:02
I don't think running out of fuel at that level of racing is good enough. Moto GP where the fuel loads are restricted to 21 litres maybe...but the superbikes carry more than that and should make it through an 18 lap race. It was a total balls up. Didn't see anyone else running out.
The post race interview sounded like Spies didn't have a problem with the team. The Eurosport2 commentators were saying a number of people were having trouble making a full tank last the distance.
In the post race interview Spies mentioned he rode the warmup laps differently to save some gas as well as short shifting towards the end of the race.
So yeah not anyone's mistake except Yamaha for not making a bigger tank :lol:
Real shit about Haga. He was looking quick for the first lap of the second race and might have found the setup to be up there with Spies in the second race.
Cajun
14th May 2009, 08:23
this is an interesting picture from turn 1 race 1. with all the carnage
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/archive/monzacarnage.jpg
discotex
14th May 2009, 09:21
this is an interesting picture from turn 1 race 1. with all the carnage
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/archive/monzacarnage.jpg
I hope someone's seriously asking whether that chicane needs to be altered for WSBK to return next year.
Even in race 2 there were a lot of near misses.
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