Remove your helmet [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

K-BIKE

17th May 2009, 14:41

Hi Fellow Kiwi Bikers,
I went in to Shell Northcross and noted first of all a pool of thick oil about 100 mm across spilled on the concrete, then I noticed there had been a big spill of Diesel which had leaked out some 400 mm from the pump.

I got my fuel, went inside, gave the attendant my cash card and had him say "You have to take off your helmet!" I asked "Why" he said "It makes us feel more comfortable" I said "It is too inconvenient to take it off and put it back on each time I would rather shop where they don't have silly policies like that" He said there is a sign on the door, to which I said "You have my card, just bill me for the fuel and I won't be back". I also said to him "You have a major diesel spill that is actually dangerous and could cause someone with oil on their tyres to crash, you should clean up your forecourt" I got my receipt and left.

Anyone else had this total BS? what robber is going to drive in on an immaculate bike wearing fluoro jacket and helmet and then hold them up after filling up with petrol at 9.30 am on a Sunday?

We need a list of bike unfriendly fuel stations headed by Shell Northcross on the Shore in Auckland. Any others you know of?
Regards,
K-BIKE

Taz

17th May 2009, 15:05

Have never had that.........

Marmoot

17th May 2009, 15:09

I had a courier delivering a parcel once, wearing a hoodie, sunglasses and sweater that covered his mouth.
Damn, scared me silly having that kind of guy lurking around my front door.
He was upset when I refused to open my door and sign for the delivery.

He's not one of your relatives, is he?

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 15:10

But I find people that wanna get served whilst still wearing a helmet rude.

Only takes a few secs to remove and replace.

MSTRS

17th May 2009, 15:11

Have never had that.........

Neither have I...and I almost never remove my helmet. Mind you, I do have my wallet in my hands, so it's reasonable to assume that I'm not there to rob the place.
The minimum-wage knob behind the counter is just following instructions of the owner, so it's not his fault. If there is a picture of 'no helmets' at the door then he is entitled to insist you do so, or refuse to serve you. Since you've already filled up, you may be viewed as a petrol thief...

Firefight

17th May 2009, 15:15

Marmoot

17th May 2009, 15:17

He's not. That's why I was scared.

Asians are to be feared only when they're driving.

Firefight

17th May 2009, 15:22

He's not. That's why I was scared.

Asians are to be feared only when they're driving.

so i had heard, but have not yet seen this for myself !:angry:

Hitcher

17th May 2009, 15:23

Repost!

If the station requires bikers to take their helmets off, take the frikken helmet off. Rude and bolshie pricks who ride bikes give the rest of us a bad name.

Get over it. And yourself.

Donor

17th May 2009, 15:23

Anyone else had this total BS? what robber is going to drive in on an immaculate bike wearing fluoro jacket and helmet and then hold them up after filling up with petrol at 9.30 am on a Sunday?

Ah harden up.

If you're that sensitive, or so unco-ordinated that you have difficulty putting your helmet back on, then poor you.

Their shop, their fuel and their rules.

In the current climate of drive offs and thefts from servos lately, how do you think Mr Minimum Wage feels seeing a helmet clad person in the shop?

If this is your biggest bitch in life pal, then you're doing okay.

caseye

17th May 2009, 15:24

Ha! I bought a flip up lid so that I don't have to worry about that scenario in the gas stations.I do still take it off going into the bank though, I reckon they do deserve to be able to see the face of those entering.
My pet hate is the gassy that insists that yoy pre pay for a tank full of gas, I've never not filled up the bike when I go to a gas station.
To date while riding and or while in the car I've only ever been refused the pump twice.
I don't care about ploicies, I point blank refuse to be treated as one of the lowest common denominators! aka criminally inclined barstards who do drive off without paying.
I simply don't go there again.

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 15:35

mynameis

17th May 2009, 15:38

vindy500

17th May 2009, 15:41

had the guy at the local shell thank me for taking my helmet off the other day, said he hates serving people who keep there helmet on, its really not hard to take it off...

Laxi

17th May 2009, 15:44

A. use search function, I've seen at least 2 other threads almost identical to this

B. you're probably the same guy who comlains about arabs wearing burkas around (I know I dont like it) the difference is you dont wear a burka so show some decancy and take the 30 seconds to remove your lid

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 15:44

Bollocks fuck the rules and the manners, you're not going in there to have a chat and cup of tea. Walk in with the helmet each time pay up and fuck off simple.

I would have probably walked out if he fussed over it.

So if you had new carpet in ya house...and your rules were no shoes inside...you'd be cool with people saying "Fuck you and your rules...I don't need manners" and stomping dog shit all through your new carpet? Or...your rules are that nobody helps themselves to sitting on your bike...etc etc.

mynameis

17th May 2009, 15:51

So if you had new carpet in ya house...and your rules were no shoes inside...you'd be cool with people saying "Fuck you and your rules...I don't need manners" and stomping dog shit all through your new carpet? Or...your rules are that nobody helps themselves to sitting on your bike...etc etc.

You're comparison is blown out of proportion.

No big deal if you walk in with your helmet on. You can still see the person's eyes and part of the face.

It's a hassle and inconvenience to take gloves and helmet off.

Service stations need to get over it.

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 15:58

You're comparison is blown out of proportion.

No big deal if you walk in with your helmet on. You can still see the person's eyes and part of the face.

It's a hassle and inconvenience to take gloves and helmet off.

Service stations need to get over it.

Sorry...can't agree with you on this one. It's their place...their rules. With the amount of robbings...bashings and general mayhem that retailers have to put up with now...for video surveillance's sake...remove the helmet.

irishlad

17th May 2009, 15:58

I wont use that station anymore because of the sam ebullshit. I have a flip front helmet & always open it. I was still treated badly by attendan. So now I shop around.

On similarnote Ino longer go to MKOP in Albany village. Fat bender bastard talked down to me over parking the bike outside. So I no longer go there. Money is money. I'll spend mine where I'm made to feel welcome.

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 16:03

I wont use that station anymore because of the sam ebullshit. .

Is Sam the attendant? Were they dudd 'e's or something?

mynameis

17th May 2009, 16:03

Sorry...can't agree with you on this one. It's their place...their rules. With the amount of robbings...bashings and general mayhem that retailers have to put up with now...for video surveillance's sake...remove the helmet.

It's your money and their bread and butter. I've never really seen any bashing, robbery ect with helmets on.

sunhuntin

17th May 2009, 16:07

here we go again!

in all honesty, in the 2 and a bit years i spent at bp, i was more comfortable serving someone wearing a helmet than i was serving someone who came with either bandanna, hoodie over the head and sunglasses, or a combination of the 3.
the only rip off i ever had was by a bandanna wearing guy, who took off after id already checked him and taken his plate number. :Police:
the only bike plate i ever took down was a bike ridden by a patch wearer who looked about as ready to take off as a firecracker with a lit wick. his colors were black and yellow... cant remember which group that is. my head says tribesman, but not 100%.

myself, ive never been asked to remove my helmet when getting gas, but then ive got an open facer, so its less of an issue. i do take it off if ive got the headphones in, cos i cant hear shit otherwise, and its rude to ignore people, or ask them to repeat themselves.

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 16:09

It's your money and their bread and butter. I've never really seen any bashing, robbery ect with helmets on.

Why do you think banks request removal of helmets etc? These days...the dregs of society will bash some poor shop attendant to death for a few bucks and a carton of smokes. Take your helmet off. If your coordination is that bad that doing so is such a hassle...maybe you should stick to driving a car. It really only does take a few seconds.

kiwifruit

17th May 2009, 16:16

SixPackBack

17th May 2009, 16:17

_Shrek_

17th May 2009, 16:17

I've never been asked to take off my helmet, & yes I do find it a pain in the arse to take off my gloves then my helmet just to put it all back on again especially when its wet & it's been said before it's not the helmet wearing biker thats doing the bashing or doing the runner
I also wear a flip front which, I might add is better than a burka, to me is the same if not worse (which should not be allowed in NZ at all) & my local garage owner said they can't make you take it off & at night they are pre pay unless they know you by 1st name
way i see it they don't want your $$ find someone who does

Fatt Max

17th May 2009, 16:20

I saw a sign at a servo in West Auckland a couple of years ago that said 'No Helmets Allowed'.

So, I went to the counter and enquired where the non Jewish gas station was.....they didnt find it funny at all

Shalom.......

cowpoos

17th May 2009, 16:28

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 16:28

I've never been asked to take off my helmet, & yes I do find it a pain in the arse to take off my gloves then my helmet

Another Beemer owner eh! Oh fuck hang on...I sold you it!!:bleh:

mynameis

17th May 2009, 16:32

Why do you think banks request removal of helmets etc? These days...the dregs of society will bash some poor shop attendant to death for a few bucks and a carton of smokes. Take your helmet off. If your coordination is that bad that doing so is such a hassle...maybe you should stick to driving a car. It really only does take a few seconds.

Comparing Banks to Service Stations?

So taking helmet off will do what? Help detect and identify your face in the video? Or does it reduce crime? Or will it prevent crime?

And if a Muslim wears a burka then they shouldn't be allowed in the service station either or does she need to take it off too?

For a logical explanation read this post below:

I purchase gas from shell northcross without incident.......'course the first time they ask me to fill my bike on the side stand, or take my helmet off will be the day they receive the bird, a healthy 'fuck you' and the cessation of my patronage.

Watching a customer fill their motorcycle with gas, wait patiently in line with cashflow card in hand and then insist they take their helmet off lacks any know application of logic. So fuck 'em!

+ 1

rosie631

17th May 2009, 16:41

Pussy

17th May 2009, 16:44

I really don't see the problem of extending the small courtesy of removing a helmet....

FJRider

17th May 2009, 16:46

The servo' in Alex I fill at, is a motorbike shop too. Never take my helmet off ... and never been asked to. They do know me by name though... the bike is well known round here too. :msn-wink:

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 16:56

The servo' in Alex I fill at, is a motorbike shop too. Never take my helmet off ... and never been asked to. They do know me by name though... the bike is well known round here too. :msn-wink:

Years ago...I worked in a motorcycle shop that had this one particular customer, that always wore his fullface helmet when in the shop...and talking to us. The owner of said shop one day finally got the shits...went out the back...and put his own on, then came back out to see this chap. The customer in question looked flabbergasted and left. Odd.

nsrpaul

17th May 2009, 16:57

I really don't see the problem of extending the small courtesy of removing a helmet....

agree completly, quite rude to do otherwise

we have enough greif without being rude to undeserving forcourt types

get overyourself and take your helmet off

Swoop

17th May 2009, 16:57

I purchase gas from shell northcross without incident.......'course the first time they ask me to fill my bike on the side stand, or take my helmet off will be the day they receive the bird, a healthy 'fuck you' and the cessation of my patronage.
Watching a customer fill their motorcycle with gas, wait patiently in line with cashflow card in hand and then insist they take their helmet off lacks any know application of logic. So fuck 'em!
I have a simple policy of "if they want the helmet removed - No problems!"
Just take off gloves, then helmet and sunnies, conduct transaction.
Remain at the counter!!!
Replace helmet and sunnies. Replace wallet. Replace gloves. Etc.

Sometimes I forget to put the radar detector earphone back in the ear, so I have to remove the helmet, etc, etc... Sometimes it can take aaaaaages...
Shame that their pump isn't pumping their product and other customers are inconvenienced by their policy.

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 16:59

Comparing Banks to Service Stations?

So taking helmet off will do what? Help detect and identify your face in the video? Or does it reduce crime? Or will it prevent crime?

And if a Muslim wears a burka then they shouldn't be allowed in the service station either or does she need to take it off too?

For a logical explanation read this post below:

+ 1

Think you're missing my original point. Rules are the fucking rules. Hope your new carpet smells of dogshit.

Ragingrob

17th May 2009, 17:02

Think you're missing my original point. Rules are the fucking rules. Hope your new carpet smells of dogshit.

Do you obey every road rule every day every second?

mynameis

17th May 2009, 17:04

Think you're missing my original point. Rules are the fucking rules. Hope your new carpet smells of dogshit.

Nah you've hit off centre a few times now.

Following the rules because they are "rules" without questioning it is just plain old silly and stupid.

vifferman

17th May 2009, 17:04

Excitement!
People with large egos and whose opinions are always right!
Blah blah blah....
Puhleease! Stop being so precious and exciteable.

I never take my helmet off at the service stations I frequent. It's kinda obvious I'm there to buy gas, not rob them Hey! I've just filled my bike, up, I've got my wallet out!), it's invariably during commuter hour, not the "wee small act like an arsehole and steal shit" hours, and I use the same coupla servos.
I always take my helmet off for banks, shops, etc.
Difference? Buying petrol is a quick (2 minute?) act, whereas the others require walking a bit further, and waiting longer. People on bikes at a petrol station who walk in, wallet in hand, are invariably not asking for it to be filled with cash, whereas someone walking into a bank wearing a helmet is not likely to be depositing cah, incognito like. :rolleyes:
If anyone asked me to take my helmet off, I would, then explain why I had left it on, and tell them while I understood their policy, it was kinda stupid (read Sunhunting's post and personal experience).
In the final analysis, I am a customer, expect reasonable service, and if I don''t get it (like at the Caltex at the end of our street which - surprise, surprise! - is now out of business), I'll take my custom elsewhere. My perogative.

SARGE

17th May 2009, 17:05

B. you're probably the same guy who comlains about arabs wearing burkas around

no... thats me .....

smoky

17th May 2009, 17:06

mynameis

17th May 2009, 17:06

I have a simple policy of "if they want the helmet removed - No problems!"
Just take off gloves, then helmet and sunnies, conduct transaction.
Remain at the counter!!!
Replace helmet and sunnies. Replace wallet. Replace gloves. Etc.

Sometimes I forget to put the radar detector earphone back in the ear, so I have to remove the helmet, etc, etc... Sometimes it can take aaaaaages...
Shame that their pump isn't pumping their product and other customers are inconvenienced by their policy.

+ 1 I like that one little less harsher than what I have done

Do you obey every road rule every day every second?

Maybe he does :lol:

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 17:06

Do you obey every road rule every day every second?

Every single one except the speed limit. But I'm fully prepared to pay the price for ignoring that one of caught.

FJRider

17th May 2009, 17:07

Years ago...I worked in a motorcycle shop that had this one particular customer, that always wore his fullface helmet when in the shop...and talking to us. The owner of said shop one day finally got the shits...went out the back...and put his own on, then came back out to see this chap. The customer in question looked flabbergasted and left. Odd.

It is as always... A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE. This flows on, to the importance of those getting INconvenienced. A client/customer, or themselves. Continued business with said client/customer, or NOT. To offend/embarrass a client/customer used to be a no-no. When did this change ... ??? :rolleyes:

_Shrek_

17th May 2009, 17:09

Repost!

If the station requires bikers to take their helmets off, take the frikken helmet off. Rude and bolshie pricks who ride bikes give the rest of us a bad name.

Get over it. And yourself.

What the man above said...

looks like you two belong to the :bs: PC brigade, because it has nothing to do with being boleshie, rude or giving other bikers a bad name it has to do with being practial

Another Beemer owner eh! Oh fuck hang on...I sold you it!!:bleh:

you know it :laugh: ta for the spokes

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 17:11

What a stupid comparison ??

Why's that Einstein? Rules made by the owner of the said servo and the owner of the house are different why?

mynameis

17th May 2009, 17:12

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 17:14

you know it :laugh: ta for the spokes

Glad they got to you safely mate! Sorry about the delay.

Ragingrob

17th May 2009, 17:15

Why's that Einstein? Rules made by the owner of the said servo and the owner of the house are different why?

I don't know how many people would force their client to take their shoes off before entering their home.

Swoop

17th May 2009, 17:16

+ 1 I like that one little less harsher than what I have done
If I can't get someones blood pressure up by 20 points, I am not really trying.

Maha

17th May 2009, 17:18

Mind you, I do have my wallet in my hands, so it's reasonable to assume that I'm not there to rob the place.

But its a Swiss Army Wallet eh?...:niceone:

smoky

17th May 2009, 17:20

Why's that Einstein? Rules made by the owner of the said servo and the owner of the house are different why?
Simple - If I come to your house; I would take my shoes/boots off, I wouldn't want to ruin your carpet.
But when I'm at the gas station I am a customer, having my helmet on is not causing anyone any problems; I can fill my bike, pay the money, say thank you (if I want), all with no problems for them or me. they can see my plate number on the bike for their camera's

And just for the record; if I had dog shit on my boots I wouldn't track it into the gas station floor either

SixPackBack

17th May 2009, 17:20

For at least 3-4 months of the year I wear a balaclava.

So lets say hypothetically I remove my helmet, the service station attendant is then faced with an individual who arguably looks more intimidating!?

I have yet to see a service station that requests the removal of balaclavas or [as a poster pointed out burkhas].

Face it sheeple the policy is illogical, does fuck all to reduce crime and unduly inconveniences customers.

Ragingrob

17th May 2009, 17:23

It's just stupid that they don't have self-service eftpos pumps available to anyone all the time.

p.dath

17th May 2009, 17:24

I always take my helmet off when I purchase things. When people can see each others faces it promotes trust.
Leaving your helmet on does not promote trust with the public and can leave those you are dealing with feeling intimitaed, and IMHO does not promote the cause of those on bikes.

There are a lot of negative attitudes towards riders that have been created by gangs. Those people do not help other riders.

From a pure security perspective as well I would not permit you to come in with a helmet, balliclavar, or anything else which allowed you to hide your general identity. If you were to hold up the store, shop lift, or otherwise commit a crime then security cameras and staff giving descriptions would be inhibited.
Once again, it creates a trust issue. If you were allowed to were your helmet, then I can guarantee that real criminals would also start wearing helmets and other things toc over there faces.

With regard to the second issue, they really should have cleaned up their forecourt. I'm pretty sure OSH and ACC would take a dim view of such a forecourt, and indeed the master franchise is also likely to take a dim view of their brand being exhibited in such a manner.

Virago

17th May 2009, 17:25

Maha

17th May 2009, 17:25

So lets say hypothetically I remove my helmet, the service station attendant is then faced with an individual who arguably looks more intimidating!?

Thank god you used the word 'hypothetically' SPB.......:killingme

BMWST?

17th May 2009, 17:26

unduly inconveniences customers.

What inconvenience.You can take your helmet off while the bike is filling.And have it back on before you get back to your bike.Its their establishment and their rules.If you think that your poxy little 20 litres makes any difference to them....youre wrong

mynameis

17th May 2009, 17:27

vifferman

17th May 2009, 17:27

Thanks for the simple expanded explanation, some people here really do need it :)
What?!?
That is to say, WTF?!?!!! (Extra added !!!!'s)
That wasn't my intention at all! Ego bubble prikcing with my ascerbic wit and Emerson's addled fingers and strangely mentalised R60 keyboard, is all...
Maybe the Souf Mrkn red will restore my gognitive abilities...:confused:
Ah fuggit!
I'll just knock another back and crank "David Live" up to 65....

smoky

17th May 2009, 17:27

... the owner of the said servo and the owner of the house are different why?

...I worked in a motorcycle shop .......The owner of said shop one day finally got the shits...went out the back...and put his own on, then came back out to see this chap. The customer in question looked flabbergasted and left. Odd.

You really don't have much of concept of customer service do you!!

And for the record, I'm out there to ride my bike, I stop for petrol not a chat - I never take my helmet off, not because I'm rude but I'm only buying petrol, what's the point of undoing my gloves, helmet and take it off, then put it all back on again? I have never been asked to either, I also don't pre pay, never been asked too either.

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 17:28

Excitement!
People with large egos and whose opinions are always right!
Blah blah blah....
Puhleease! Stop being so precious and exciteable.

I never take my helmet off at the service stations I frequent..

I'm with you mate! It's amazing how many people think they don't have to comply with rules due to the size of their egos! You're right (as always) once again. Funny thing is...I thought this was somewhere we could express our opinions...back them up with banter and/or even an argument if we didn't agree.

Seems we only need to cunsult you if we need to learn all about anything.

Manners included.

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 17:32

You really don't have much of concept of customer service do you!!

And for the record, I'm out there to ride my bike, I stop for petrol not a chat - I never take my helmet off, not because I'm rude but I'm only buying petrol, what's the point of undoing my gloves, helmet and take it off, then put it all back on again? I have never been asked to either, I also don't pre pay, never been asked too either.

Actually...I think I do.

Tell me this then...you're unable to remove your helmet in a split second...because you're also wearing gloves? How come that's such a hassle...when you're able to extract cash or a card from your wallet whilst still wearing the same gloves? Bet you take your gloves off.

Ragingrob

17th May 2009, 17:33

What inconvenience.You can take your helmet off while the bike is filling.And have it back on before you get back to your bike.Its their establishment and their rules.If you think that your poxy little 20 litres makes any difference to them....youre wrong

How big is your tank?! Mine's definitely not large enough to be able to click the pump onto auto and take my helmet off while it's filling, let alone balance the pump so that it doesn't fall outta the tank!

20 litres x 20 bikes will make a difference though.

BMWST?

17th May 2009, 17:33

You really don't have much of concept of customer service do you!!

Actually youre wrong.He works for one of the longest lived bike shps in new zealand.....

And for the record, I'm out there to ride my bike, I stop for petrol not a chat - I never take my helmet off, not because I'm rude but I'm only buying petrol, what's the point of undoing my gloves, helmet and take it off, then put it all back on again? I have never been asked to either, I also don't pre pay, never been asked too either.

Good for you.Would you if they asked you too?

vifferman

17th May 2009, 17:39

Seems we only need to cunsult you if we need to learn all about anything.

You missed a "t" out of 'cuntsult'.
And (plus!) [however!!] I think it's 'cunt sulk'.

Cross yer legs and prohibit ingress. "What?!? A root? Are you out of your tiny brain??!"

_Shrek_

17th May 2009, 17:39

What inconvenience.You can take your helmet off while the bike is filling.And have it back on before you get back to your bike.Its their establishment and their rules.If you think that your poxy little 20 litres makes any difference to them....youre wrong

you obviously don't ride that much, my poxy 17lts per day + weekend riding adds up to over $500 a month & thats just the bike ie: bought the bike off WMCC 9 weeks ago & has just turned over 15k & the 4x4 is a shit load more "me thinks you're wrong" :msn-wink:

Swoop

17th May 2009, 17:40

It's just stupid that they don't have self-service eftpos pumps available to anyone all the time.
Correct. The reason is that their loss of trade the "impulse buying" market. Who the fuck wants a crappy CD of some twat warbling on, or some confectionary? I want petrol from a fucking petrol station! Assist me in this desire. The cunts have taken away the "SERVICE" from a service station, so the munter at the counter needs to do whatever needed to aid this perverse pleasure that oil conglomerates take, to remove our dollars from our wallets/purses.

I always take my helmet off when I purchase things. When people can see each others faces it promotes trust.
I guess you are fucked if you visit the middle-east, then.

vifferman

17th May 2009, 17:42

Or coffee.
It seems selling petroleum distillates is now a secondary consideration, so 'they' don't give a rodent's rectum if we buy fuel or not, as long as we buy some caffeinated beverages.
Panic in Detroit. (He looked like Che Guevara)
Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh
Panic in Detroit.

Found him slumped across the table...

SixPackBack

17th May 2009, 17:42

What inconvenience.You can take your helmet off while the bike is filling.And have it back on before you get back to your bike.Its their establishment and their rules.If you think that your poxy little 20 litres makes any difference to them....youre wrong

In the middle of winter when its cold and wet not only is it inconvenient but uncomfortable as well. Do you ride your bike everyday?
As for gas station patronage I couldn't give a fuck, but I bet they do. There is enough motorcycles and marginal service stationsthat our collective patronage can count. Lets not forget if said service station pisses me off the family car gets filled elsewhere as well.

smoky

17th May 2009, 17:45

Tell me this then...you're unable to remove your helmet in a split second...because you're also wearing gloves? How come that's such a hassle...when you're able to extract cash or a card from your wallet whilst still wearing the same gloves? Bet you take your gloves off.
It's not about how long it takes?
One glove come off. Today I went with 2 other riders, the young guy with us took his helmet off at each gas station, we'd filled, paid and now we were waiting for him to get himself organised each time. I wear glasses too which takes a bit of faffing around too.
But for me it's not a question of should I or shouldn't I - I don't want to, so I'll vote with my feet and use gas stations that don't seem to mind if I leave it on. That's fair enough isn't it
The same for prepay - if they won't click the pump for me I'll ride on to the next gas station.

Good for you.Would you if they asked you too?
Depends on if I had filled up already or not

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 17:52

You missed a "t" out of 'cuntsult'.
And (plus!) [however!!] I think it's 'cunt sulk'.

Cross yer legs and prohibit ingress. "What?!? A root? Are you out of your tiny brain??!"

Bugger. Missed a button. Funny thing is this. Because you spend your 'money' when you do where ever you do...you think you have the right to be devoid of manners. I bet you're rude to waitresses and bar staff too. Just to show them who really is the boss! I bet you're pussywhipped.

wickle

17th May 2009, 17:56

It's just stupid that they don't have self-service eftpos pumps available to anyone all the time.
You bitch about price of fuel then requests for helmets to be removed. I have been told that to have eftpos put at the pumps as you say, cost would be approx $30000 per pump( I wonder who would pay for that in the end). and as it is a good percentage of customers can not swipe they cards properly even when given instructions at the counter.

Ixion

17th May 2009, 17:58

The reality is that the margin on a fuel purchase made by a motorcyclist would be unlikely to cover the overheads involved in the sale process.

Those delicate and outraged bikers who determine to take their business elsewhere will not be missed.

Maybe. maybe not.

But if a servo pisses me off and I go elsewhere (and it's happened, though not because of helmets), they lose not only the fillups on the bike , but the $100+ fillups of the Pajero; the $60 fillups on the Alfa; the magazine sales; the chocolate sales; the coffee sales; the oil sales; the pie sales. I spend a lot at servos (yeah, I *am* too lazy to go elsewhere). Gas stations make up by far the largest percentage of my credit card bills each month. If they're not interested in my business , that's fine there are those who are.

I usually take mine off, just cos it's what I've always done.

FJRider

17th May 2009, 18:06

SixPackBack

17th May 2009, 18:07

You bitch about price of fuel then requests for helmets to be removed. I have been told that to have eftpos put at the pumps as you say, cost would be approx $30000 per pump( I wonder who would pay for that in the end). and as it is a good percentage of customers can not swipe they cards properly even when given instructions at the counter.

30K you say hmmm my bullshit meter is redlining, never-mind.......who would pay for eftpos pumps? the customer of course! I would gladly pay another cent per litre to have the convenience of remaining on my motorcycle while filling up.

Interestingly a service station I frequent has closed down its eftpos capability. The cynic in me says this is so customers have to go inside the station and perhaps be tempted to buy other shit they don't really want like coffee and chocolate. A certain irony exists with this particular service station should they ever request I remove my helmet, having removed eftpos and the need for me to scare the poor possums withmy scary presence!

vifferman

17th May 2009, 18:08

Bugger. Missed a button. Funny thing is this. Because you spend your 'money' when you do where ever you do...you think you have the right to be devoid of manners. I bet you're rude to waitresses and bar staff too. Just to show them who really is the boss! I bet you're pussywhipped.
That's actually kinda funny. I'm actually a very polite <s>young</s> old man. My mother brought me up properly, and I find it very hard to be rude to serving persons, no matter how much they deserve it. I appreciate that they're people too, not servants (even if that's the role they're paid to perform).
Manners? This has nothing to do with manners, as far as I'm (personally) concerned. Like I said (if you go back and check my posts), if I'm asked I'll take my helmet off, but explain why I leave it on. I'm very clumsy, and invariably drop my keys or a glove, or my credit card. If I dropped my helmet just because I was "being polite" or obeying rules (BTW - I don't recall seeing a "Please remove your helmet" sign at any of the service stations I frequent, nor have I ever been asked to), I would be rather pissed off. I might even say a rude word.
I wouldn't blame anyone else though. You see (not that I give a damn whether you do or not), I believe in personal responsibility. There's no room in ViffermanWorld for looking for scapegoats or "there should be a law against it". No, there are far too many rules'n'regulations.
"Doing the right thing" is all. In the circumstances, and in my experience, taking off my helmet has yet to fall into this category. When it does, I will.

Frankly, I don't really care what you think of this.
You're not my wife, nor my mother.

Ragingrob

17th May 2009, 18:11

Bugger. Missed a button. Funny thing is this. Because you spend your 'money' when you do where ever you do...you think you have the right to be devoid of manners. I bet you're rude to waitresses and bar staff too. Just to show them who really is the boss! I bet you're pussywhipped.

Most service stations do not even have a forecourt attendee, most have employees who stay inside the shop doing nothing but working the till. Whenever an attendant actually shows me some manners and fills up my car, I show them some manners.

How do you define manners anyway? Should people take off their caps when they go inside the station?

With a helmet on I can still smile with my eyes and say please and thank you, I think that's manners enough when making a 10 second transaction.

You bitch about price of fuel then requests for helmets to be removed. I have been told that to have eftpos put at the pumps as you say, cost would be approx $30000 per pump( I wonder who would pay for that in the end). and as it is a good percentage of customers can not swipe they cards properly even when given instructions at the counter.

Many many pumps have eftpos on them, and they used to be in use, now they are still sitting on the pumps but only for "insert brand name" cards only. Aren't we allowed to bitch? Petrol isn't a luxury good or service, it's a commodity, now it's a multi-million dollar profit-making business with shit service and you're asking us to waste our time all for the sake of manners?

avgas

17th May 2009, 18:14

With a helmet on I can still smile with my eyes and say please and thank you, I think that's manners enough when making a 10 second transaction.
All while looking like a retard who missed the bus

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 18:14

Frrankly, I don't really care what you think of this.
You're not my wife,

Frrrrrrrankly (Mr spelling police)...thank God for that...because if you're so clumsy I pity her.

Ragingrob

17th May 2009, 18:14

If you had to swipe before you got gas, no more drive-off's... helmet on or not.

:first:

Winner by a clear mile of logic.

Ragingrob

17th May 2009, 18:15

All while looking like a retard who missed the bus

Huh? :blank:

Ixion

17th May 2009, 18:19

..
How do you define manners anyway? Should people take off their caps when they go inside the station?

..

Good point. Yes, they should. If we are talking manners and politeness they should. Where's the sign for that? And likewise the till attendent should NOT be wearing a cap if male. And if female, should not be bare headed (VERY impolite that) . Sauce, goose gander etc.

FJRider

17th May 2009, 18:20

all while looking like a retard who missed the bus

huh ???....

Mom

17th May 2009, 18:21

It's just stupid that they don't have self-service eftpos pumps available to anyone all the time.

Our local Mobil (that no longer receives one cent of my hard earned money)has eftpos at pump, but they have disabled it. They insist on all customers having to go into the station to pre-pay, this includes motorcyclists that have used the same service station for nigh on 30 years, and certainly every week for the past 6 or so years.

The reason for the disabling of the eftpos at pump service is so people go into their grotty shop and hopefully buy some of their wonderful 2 for one chocolate bars or what have you. The reason I wont go in there anymore is the pre-pay requirement. The young woman with english as a very recently aquired second language, that served me the last time I went in there was so rude and overbearing I was actually lost for words.

People that know me will be truely amazed by this concept I am sure. I explained I had no idea how much gas the bike would take, her response, pay more, we will arrange a refund if you dont spend all of the pre-payment (or buy chocolate bars to the balance) at least that is what I think she said! Rude bitch! She did not seem to mind the helmet though to be fair.

scracha

17th May 2009, 18:33

If you had to swipe before you got gas, no more drive-off's... helmet on or not.

30 grand...bullshit. Even if it was, you could then fill up 24 hours and they could lay off some staff.

Helmet, if I'm asked, I'll take it off but to be honest, I make a point of putting my wallet on the tank before filling up so I've never been asked once over here. I don't think the guy will ask again as I apologised and put my dripping wet helmet on his nice paperwork so I could juggle my keys and wallet simultaneously.

avgas

17th May 2009, 18:34

Face it sheeple the policy is illogical, does fuck all to reduce crime and unduly inconveniences customers.
Your right, i mean dang-nam-it you should be able to walk into a kindergarten with a loaded shotgun...... wait am i off topic?

avgas

17th May 2009, 18:35

huh ???....
Thing about the people that walk around town wearing helmets......

SixPackBack

17th May 2009, 18:39

Your right, i mean dang-nam-it you should be able to walk into a kindergarten with a loaded shotgun...... wait am i off topic?

WTF? My helmet is unloaded.

Thing about the people that walk around town wearing helmets......

Muslim ladies wear burkhas and we respect their right to do so.

Have you been drinking?

Maha

17th May 2009, 18:45

Employ someone to walk the forecourt with a little machine like they do at McDonalds....sept, you cant order fries, just gas...:niceone:

BMWST?

17th May 2009, 18:47

After reading the threads about petrol stations and helmets i am kinda interested to know how many do and how many dont...
No comments ,reasons or whys and wherefores required,just vote please

sunhuntin

17th May 2009, 18:49

a poll would work better, but...

do [leave helmet on]. :first:

edit: ooo, theres the poll. cheers!

allycatz

17th May 2009, 18:49

Why not go fil up at one of the supermarkets with eftpos at the pumps? Dont have to take anything off except maybe a glove. Okay not practical if your out in a wee town somewhere but kinda obvious really

Sidewinder

17th May 2009, 18:50

After reading the threads about petrol stations and helmets i am kinda interested to know how many do and how many dont...
No comments ,reasons or whys and wherefores required,just vote please

why did you put up a poll then?
i wear the helmet in the gas station when im robbing it!

jaymzw

17th May 2009, 18:50

Bloody BMW riders:chase:

Sidewinder

17th May 2009, 18:50

you need the sometimes aswell!

diggyduo

17th May 2009, 18:51

The whole theft argument is flawed logic. If servos insisted helmets need to be removed to discourage theft, then it should be a requirement before the pump was activated. I don't associate with the unsavory much, but i think it unlikely they would join the payment que with other than righteous intentions.

So it comes down a matter of manners - is it insulting to others in the store (and cashier) or not. I wouldn't be insulted, but then I'm biased.

Personally I usually do take my helmet off, but it does feel like a frustrating saga when putting everything back on again, especially with ear plugs.

pete376403

17th May 2009, 18:51

But I do open the flip front.

Sidewinder

17th May 2009, 18:53

But I do open the flip front.

its not one of them gay flip front helmets is it?

MDR2

17th May 2009, 18:54

I don't, but if i was asked to, i would. I get it's a courtesy thing.

I suppose taking your helmet off is the ultimate way of showing what your intentions are. (to fill and pay, not fill and potentially do a smash and grab)

I however only ever go to one petrol station ever when im on the bike so at least 90 % of the attendants recognise me when I go in.

hell, if they wanted they could just lock the pump down till you remove the helmet or piss off to another station to fill :)

beyond

17th May 2009, 18:57

I've just been reading this thread and laughed at all the PC bullshit.
We are getting so trained in this country to accept being treated as a criminal just because a minority bunch of low lifes screw it for everyone else.

I mentioned in a similar thread where I used a gas station to fill up my ride on mower, my company car, my wife's car, my daughters car, my LPG for the barbie and heater and sometimes brought my maggot packs from.

I go in on my bike and some new dumb blonde bitch is on the counter. I walk in with my gloves off, a tight leather suit with no room for a sawn off shot gun and because the arseholes disable eftpos so I would buy some expensive crap off the titillating shelf, I have to go in with my wallet out and credit card in my other hand.

"Take your helmet off now!"
"Pardon"
"Take your helmet off right now!"
"Here's my card I'm just going to pay for the gas seeing it's prepay.
"Take your helmet off now!"

"No thanks. Can you see a shot gun anywhere? I will be ringing your manager and you can be sure I won't be back"

Rang manager and he went on about policy etc. They lost roughly $12,000 bucks a year in business and funny thing is.... they don't look busy anymore.

I refuse to be treated like low life scum because some areseholes screw it for everyone else.

No one should have to undress to pay for some gas.

Bullitt

17th May 2009, 18:57

I always leave mine on. Ive never been asked to remove it, if I ever was I wouldnt go back.

Mom

17th May 2009, 19:01

I guess what we have to bear in mind is that the people that work in petrol stations are employees of a company that sets rules they HAVE to follow.

I have no idea what the criteria is to get a job in a petrol station, but the Mobil up here seems to have a policy of employing complete idiots, with piss poor english, poor coping under stress skills (you know 3 people waiting to pre-pay their gas) and/or general could not actually give a shit about anything slothful, shoe scuffing neanderthals. On the other hand I also know they pay appaling money so only attract this type of employee. It has been liberating to have made the decision NOT to go there anymore.

Our Shell servo is exactly that. A :gob: service station. Mind it is small and sometimes a pain to wait to get into, but 100% more user friendly.

Interestingly, I have never been asked to remove my helmet anywhere. Is there a certain type of place where this happens? I have been into some fairly ummmm low socio-economic areas and never been asked. Is it cos I am a girl? :D

Hitcher

17th May 2009, 19:03

I refuse to be treated like low life scum because some areseholes screw it for everyone else.

Nobody is being "treated" by anybody. Some service stations require motorcyclists to remove helmets when buying gas. Why? Goodness knows. It doesn't matter why. Take your helmet off. I suppose you're one of those who wears their shoes into other people's homes without either taking them off or offering to do so?

Gremlin

17th May 2009, 19:06

No, I don't. One asked me to remove it a couple of months ago, and I couldn't be bothered going elsewhere, so did ... to reveal a full balaclava, and I said to him, oh, so thats better is it? He didn't have much to say after that, and it looked like just about everyone in the station was getting pissed off at the circus he was creating.

Just a week or two ago, I was at a regular station with my boss in a cage, and the attendant was able to recognise me from the jacket alone and said hello, so attendants can recognise people with helmet on, so bullshit to the excuses they give.

edit: The station was on the outskirts of Otara, and I've noticed Shell seem to be much better on the service than Caltex, BP or Mobil.

FJRider

17th May 2009, 19:11

Thing about the people that walk around town wearing helmets......

Sorry ... just back from a ride. My ears are still buzzing... did you say something ... worth listening to ... ???

duckonin

17th May 2009, 19:22

Repost!

If the station requires bikers to take their helmets off, take the frikken helmet off. Rude and bolshie pricks who ride bikes give the rest of us a bad name.

Get over it. And yourself.

Bull shit Hitcher ..And yes I know it is 2009, but theoretically unless the law has been changed it is illegal to fuel your own vehicle, we are all dealing with a hazardous substance..

Also it is a danger under the occupational health and saftey to be walking around on forecourts, this should be done only by the now invisible forecourt staff..

Not that many years back you could sit in your vehicle be gassed up pay the dude and they would return your change to the vehicle or motorbike and know where near the amount of drive offs..

Since bloody credit cards came in or any bloody card at all, the fuel companines have laid off staff and you now pump your own, if you do not then you would need to have a feed and a bed organised, as no buggar is going to serve u at all, this in its self is profiteering..

Now with all this in mind If I have to pump my own gas, then they can take me as found, helmet and all, for christ sake it is only a hat at the end of the day, if there is so much concern at these places then they should come out and be present ready to take your money, to ask a motorcyclist to remove his her helmet at the best of time is a crock of shit let alone on a cold wet day when you have all your wets on, ..

Get over it Hitcher you take your's off but think again when you say that we are RUDE and BOLSHIE, as most are not we only want some gas .... ..:niceone:

beyond

17th May 2009, 19:27

Nobody is being "treated" by anybody. Some service stations require motorcyclists to remove helmets when buying gas. Why? Goodness knows. It doesn't matter why. Take your helmet off. I suppose you're one of those who wears their shoes into other people's homes without either taking them off or offering to do so?

Always offer to take my shoes off and normally do. I'm not going into someones home when getting gas. I'm not paying them for a service when I visit someones home.
I herald from the old school that the customers are why you exist and why you are in business and they pay your bills. The customer is always right.

sunhuntin

17th May 2009, 19:29

I have no idea what the criteria is to get a job in a petrol station, but the Mobil up here seems to have a policy of employing complete idiots, with piss poor english, poor coping under stress skills (you know 3 people waiting to pre-pay their gas) and/or general could not actually give a shit about anything slothful, shoe scuffing neanderthals. On the other hand I also know they pay appaling money so only attract this type of employee. It has been liberating to have made the decision NOT to go there anymore.

hmmm... ive done my servo time, and i know damn well that am and was not one of those things. i valued my customers [most of the time. some i could have happily strangled with the petrol hose] and the majority of the customers valued me.

i was on min wage and for that i got:
12 hour shifts on public hols with NO breaks. the only time i got to sit down during those shifts was when i went to the loo. those days also meant that a sandwich or pie could take upwards of 4 hours to finish eating [literally a bite every 20 or so customers]
i got called everything from "fucking bitch" and worse by customers who blamed me for the price of petrol, and also every other problem in their lives.
one co worker got held up with a sawn off shotgun. he didnt get jack out of our employer by way of compensation etc.
i got sole charge shifts every sunday, which meant i was on my own for 2 hours on sunday mornings. im just lucky nothing ever went wrong on those days.
many seemed to think i was their personal baby sitter, counsellor, tour guide, etc. for the stuff i had to do and put up with, i should have been on at least $15 and hour, and the same applies for most other servo staff i know.

im now at the $2 shop, and a large number of my bp customers have been coming in. they are all happy to see me again, and i still get people telling me i
was the best servo attendant theyve ever known. and that includes the ones that used to abuse me.

gremlin... i was actually really bad for recognising people. if a local rider came in sans helmet, i wouldnt have a clue who they were. LOL.

Mom

17th May 2009, 19:33

hmmm... ive done my servo time

I take my hat off to you too mate! Crap money for a "shitty at times" job!

Dealing with ordinary pissed off/stressed out Joe Public would be hard enough to take at best of times, being the victim of an armed holdup is above and beyond what could be termed a minimum wage job!

Skyryder

17th May 2009, 19:39

I decide if I take my helmet off or not and that is based on my conveniance not the policy of the station or the company.

I don't let security guards look into my bag when leaving a shop or a store.

Unless I act in a manner that is threatening to staff or customers I expect to be treated in the same manner that the employer expects me to treat their staff.

Skyryder

saltydog

17th May 2009, 19:46

I've just been reading this thread and laughed at all the PC bullshit.
I refuse to be treated like low life scum because some areseholes screw it for everyone else.
No one should have to undress to pay for some gas.

Just take a look at the pool results. Most of us say "fuck it" (not ego based just common sence).
I've stopped buying gas at our local BP here in Whaka's (Falcon, mitzi, 2 bikes, 2 outboards, chainsaws and bloody line trimmers)
In fact, you watch me start another thread right now....
Wankers.

dipshit

17th May 2009, 19:47

Sorry ... just back from a ride. My ears are still buzzing... did you say something ... worth listening to ... ???

Riders that wear full-face helmets inside buildings look like lazy as fuck retards.

Sidewinder

17th May 2009, 19:48

Riders that wear full-face helmets inside buildings look like lazy as fuck retards.

like a fat cunt on a harley!

saltydog

17th May 2009, 19:54

Ragingrob

17th May 2009, 19:55

Riders that wear full-face helmets inside buildings look like lazy as fuck retards.

Why take the 30 seconds to get your helmet off and on when you're only going to be inside for 30 seconds?

Sometimes doing things the lazy way is the smart way, time is money :msn-wink:

JimO

17th May 2009, 19:57

whats so hard about taking you helmet off

FJRider

17th May 2009, 19:59

Riders that wear full-face helmets inside buildings look like lazy as fuck retards.

Thank-you for your opinion.
On a cruisey sunday ride, a gas stop is a rest stop too. Helmet comes off and ears scratched (other bits too ... but I dont want you to get excited) and do the business of gassing up. On other times, often just when I'm heading away, or have miles/other things to do ... I am in a hurry to gas up. I do not like wasteing time trying to please people whose job it is to please/assist me.

saltydog

17th May 2009, 19:59

whats so hard about taking you helmet off

I'm buying gas not getting a fucking haircut.

Sidewinder

17th May 2009, 20:00

who cares i have to lean my bike up agains't the pump when i go and pay!

Laxi

17th May 2009, 20:05

ffs! 3 freakn threads on this subject today, you guys spend more damn time bitching about it than you would taking your damn helmets off

jafar

17th May 2009, 20:20

To all the people that for whatever reason couldnt be bothered to take their helmets off while filling up..... I propose we start a list of servos to avoid.
I'd probably be labelled an egotistical cunt if I said, All BP stations, so I wont.
So heres my personal fav.....

1/ BP Peace Street Whakatne.

Anymore?

It isn't so much the helmet thing thats the issue , it's the general lack of customer focus displayed by some of the staff.

Worst so far for me is Mobil Quay ST Auckland.
Staffed by complete fucktards

wickle

17th May 2009, 20:25

It isn't so much the helmet thing thats the issue , it's the general lack of customer focus displayed by some of the staff.

Worst so far for me is Mobil Quay ST Auckland.
Staffed by complete fucktards
Oil companies pay peanuts to staff on forecourt so why should they care.perhaps you should direct comments to the Oil Company 0800 numberrs

FJRider

17th May 2009, 20:27

who cares i have to lean my bike up agains't the pump when i go and pay!

wont the pedals get tangled in the hoses ...??? buy your lollies at the dairy, just like the other kid's ...

Ragingrob

17th May 2009, 20:28

Oil companies pay peanuts to staff on forecourt so why should they care.perhaps you should direct comments to the Oil Company 0800 numberrs

Why waste our time, we just wont go back!

dpex

17th May 2009, 20:30

Bollocks fuck the rules and the manners, you're not going in there to have a chat and cup of tea. Walk in with the helmet each time pay up and fuck off simple.

I would have probably walked out if he fussed over it.

I feel the need to fess on this one.

Maybe I need a life or something, but I have to admit to getting a bit of a chuckle from walking in, helmet on, visor up, hand over my cash-card, do all the button-pushing and, before the transaction comes up as 'accepted', simply walk away.

I did that once, recently, at a lunch-bar in Whenuapai, then sat down at one of their outside tables to eat, helmet off, of course.

Next minute this Asian chick rushes out, looks up and down the street, her eye pass right past me. Then she dives back inside, has a loud Asian discussion with the boss and races outside again. Finally, having scoured the horizon the the fleeing malefactor she looks at me and, tremulously asked, 'Did you buy food?'

'Yup.'

Frown. 'Di you use a cash car?'

'Yup.'

I'm in full leathers and look like someone you'd want to photo to sell as pinups to scare the kids away at Halloween. And on the table is my helmet.

The Asian kid has watched to many bad-arsed-biker news programmes. I could almost smell the fear.

'I...I thing, Zir, you cash car din were!'

We solved the prob. All this over $5-75. Apparently, I'd failed to press 'enter'.

It's a big cultural difference, eh? For $5-75 I'd have just thought" what the hell". But in Asian society, the loss of such a sum is, apparently, near Titanic in proportion.

I also have to fess to having fun walking into Indian-owned dairies, helmet on, visor up, and asking for a discount.

I mean, walking dressed in a suit and asking an Indian dairy-owner for a discount is tantamount to swearing at the Queen. But to do so in a helmet?

Hmmm. Perhaps, in the light of recent events, this might not be a good look in future. Just imagine.....

Rahjid Singh freaks out and smashes innocent motorbycilist over the helmet with a baseball bat. Innocent motorbyclist insists Rahjid pay for a new helmet....and asks him to work on his customer-service.

FJRider

17th May 2009, 20:30

Oil companies pay peanuts to staff on forecourt so why should they care.perhaps you should direct comments to the Oil Company 0800 numberrs

Because ... weather they like it or not, they are paid to care...

Pay them more, and all you have is ... higher paid monkeys...

jafar

17th May 2009, 20:34

Oil companies pay peanuts to staff on forecourt so why should they care.perhaps you should direct comments to the Oil Company 0800 numberrs

If the oil companies 0800 numbers were answered by someone that could actually speak English I might do that.
As it is I'll spend my dollars where I get service & let everyone that might actually give a shit know where I have received bad service.
So far we have :

Shell Northcross
BP Whakatane
Mobil Quay St

They are but the tip of the iceberg when it comes to lousy service from the oil companies.

Ragingrob

17th May 2009, 20:39

Gull Takanini is SHITE. Crap service from crap people with crap prepay.

McJim

17th May 2009, 20:50

I usually remove the number plate and keep the helmet on when I rob petrol stations. I often find it a bit of a fumble to get the gun in and out of my jacket when holding the place up for cash though :rofl:

If I intend to pay I do it in reverse, remove the helmet and keep the number plate on. There are a lot of people trying to intimidate others in NZ these days - if I feel intimidated I tend to lash out violently - people tend not to try to intimidate me so much after that.

Can anyone spot the irony in this post?

Anyone had this problem at Pak'n'Save? :rofl:

jafar

17th May 2009, 20:52

Gull Takanini is SHITE. Crap service from crap people with crap prepay.

BP Bombay isn't any better.

jafar

17th May 2009, 20:54

Can anyone spot the irony in this post?

Nope, it is like a 747:bleh:

sparky.scott

17th May 2009, 20:55

Down here we dont have prepay pumps, can walk into any servo with helmet on and the drongos behind the counter couldnt care less. Weather its buying fuel, smokes, chocolate 9/10 i recieve good manners. Maybe its just the north island where all the problems are?

NZ CBR

17th May 2009, 20:59

Its not that hard to take it off and save the pimply teenager behind the counter weting his pants, after staying up late watching Star Wars on his little tv ever so quietly so his parents dont hear him still up, thinking that you are Darth Vadar come to tell him to stop wanking into the gym socks under his bed!

:nono:

saltydog

17th May 2009, 21:12

wanking into the gym socks under his bed!
:nono:

Seems to be a bit of inside knowledge here?

Kickaha

17th May 2009, 21:16

The customer is always right.

Fuck you're a funny man:lol:

I have always taken my helmet off, never really thought of leaving it on

NZ CBR

17th May 2009, 21:18

Seems to be a bit of inside knowledge here?

We were all young once!

saltydog

17th May 2009, 21:22

We were all young once!

I thought age had nothing to do with it?
I havent hairs on my palms yet so I figure.........

Swoop

17th May 2009, 21:26

The young woman with english as a very recently aquired second language, that served me the last time I went in there was so rude and overbearing I was actually lost for words.

Rude bitch!

A BRU Prospect, perhaps???

NZ CBR

17th May 2009, 21:28

I thought age had nothing to do with it?
I havent hairs on my palms yet so I figure.........

Who am I kinding, you right!

Gym socks have been swaped for buisness socks and the pile of dirty books in the top shelf of dads closet with the tops cut off have been traded in for the internet site uporn!

:doh:

scumdog

17th May 2009, 21:47

Actually...I think I do.

Tell me this then...you're unable to remove your helmet in a split second...because you're also wearing gloves? How come that's such a hassle...when you're able to extract cash or a card from your wallet whilst still wearing the same gloves? Bet you take your gloves off.

ONly ever been asked to take my helmet off once - and I was only wanting to use their toilet>

I sit on my bike while I fill it then sit there while CB goes in and pays.

Funny how nobody has ever rushed out after I filled my tank with their gasoline and making no effort to get off my bike and make like I'm about to pay for said gasoline......

But (in theory) they worry if I fill my bike, get off my bike, stand in a line with my wallet in my hand...

NordieBoy

17th May 2009, 21:53

Sorry...can't agree with you on this one. It's their place...their rules. With the amount of robbings...bashings and general mayhem that retailers have to put up with now...for video surveillance's sake...remove the helmet.

You've got their petrol and then you walk up and find out their rules...

Mom

17th May 2009, 22:02

A BRU Prospect, perhaps???

Very, very unlikely

retro asian

17th May 2009, 22:02

But I find people that wanna get served whilst still wearing a helmet rude.

Only takes a few secs to remove and replace.

If you have glasses, its extra annoying...

steve_t

17th May 2009, 22:05

Can't be bothered reading 10 pages... anyone been asked to remove their helmet with a flip-up style one flipped up?

FJRider

17th May 2009, 22:20

ONly ever been asked to take my helmet off once - and I was only wanting to use their toilet>

I sit on my bike while I fill it then sit there while CB goes in and pays.

Funny how nobody has ever rushed out after I filled my tank with their gasoline and making no effort to get off my bike and make like I'm about to pay for said gasoline......

But (in theory) they worry if I fill my bike, get off my bike, stand in a line with my wallet in my hand...

Do you think thats because you ride a Harley... or is it the skull face mask...???

Its good to see you make sure women get proper motorcycle training...

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 22:22

If you have glasses, its extra annoying...

Yep. Appreciate that. I'll give you an xtra 5 seconds.

mynameis

17th May 2009, 22:26

I'm buying gas not getting a fucking haircut.

Get a perm

Get a peerrrmmmmm

Marmoot

17th May 2009, 22:26

...snip...

Mate, any chance of a pic for the blonde but from the front? She looks kinda hot.

discotex

17th May 2009, 22:32

Step 1 - Wear a belaclava and sunglasses under your helmet.

Step 2 - Wear your helmet into the shop.

Step 3 - Remove your helmet when asked leaving the belaclava. Put your glasses back on.

Step 4 - When they ask you to take the belaclava off ask them where the sign is.

Laugh your arse off at them as their brain explodes trying to comprehend what just happened.

:devil2:

Crasherfromwayback

17th May 2009, 22:46

I feel the need to fess on this one.

Maybe I need a life or something, but I have to admit to getting a bit of a chuckle from walking in, helmet on, visor up, hand over my cash-card, do all the button-pushing and, before the transaction comes up as 'accepted', simply walk away.

I did that once, recently, at a lunch-bar in Whenuapai, then sat down at one of their outside tables to eat, helmet off, of course.

Next minute this Asian chick rushes out, looks up and down the street, her eye pass right past me. Then she dives back inside, has a loud Asian discussion with the boss and races outside again. Finally, having scoured the horizon the the fleeing malefactor she looks at me and, tremulously asked, 'Did you buy food?'

'Yup.'

Frown. 'Di you use a cash car?'

'Yup.'

I'm in full leathers and look like someone you'd want to photo to sell as pinups to scare the kids away at Halloween. And on the table is my helmet.

The Asian kid has watched to many bad-arsed-biker news programmes. I could almost smell the fear.

'I...I thing, Zir, you cash car din were!'

We solved the prob. All this over $5-75. Apparently, I'd failed to press 'enter'.

It's a big cultural difference, eh? For $5-75 I'd have just thought" what the hell". But in Asian society, the loss of such a sum is, apparently, near Titanic in proportion.

I also have to fess to having fun walking into Indian-owned dairies, helmet on, visor up, and asking for a discount.

I mean, walking dressed in a suit and asking an Indian dairy-owner for a discount is tantamount to swearing at the Queen. But to do so in a helmet?

Hmmm. Perhaps, in the light of recent events, this might not be a good look in future. Just imagine.....

Rahjid Singh freaks out and smashes innocent motorbycilist over the helmet with a baseball bat. Innocent motorbyclist insists Rahjid pay for a new helmet....and asks him to work on his customer-service.

Does your Mum know you're up so late and using her computer?

Gremlin

17th May 2009, 22:46

gremlin... i was actually really bad for recognising people. if a local rider came in sans helmet, i wouldnt have a clue who they were. LOL.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember you identifying me when you had never met me? :eek: Thats pretty damn good going :niceone:

roy.nz

17th May 2009, 23:06

Never had that issue always joked with the cashier about having the helmet on....

quickbuck

17th May 2009, 23:07

I used to leave my helmet on back in the early 90's, but now days I remove it. More as a courtesy thing.
Really people, it isn't that hard to take your helmet off. You do it at the end of every ride in any case.... unless you are the Stig.

Last weekend I filled up about 8 bikes. Each time I took my helmet off... No hassle. Even though the pumps were on prepay, the girl behind the counter unlocked the pump for me as soon as I took of my helmet. Made life a little easier for all.

mynameis

17th May 2009, 23:22

skidMark

18th May 2009, 00:47

But I find people that wanna get served whilst still wearing a helmet rude.

Only takes a few secs to remove and replace.

Best way is pay cash and put in say 20 bucks....i either slip it in the night pay window or just walk past everybody else in the que... im not gunna stand there for 5 minutes while retards try and pay eftpos and doddle round...

SARGE

18th May 2009, 07:06

i have an issue with removing my gear when the petrol station is full of arab women in Bhurkas

double standard?

SARGE

18th May 2009, 07:10

We were all young once!

not me .. i was born old and grumpy

Tink

18th May 2009, 07:42

You bitch about price of fuel then requests for helmets to be removed. I have been told that to have eftpos put at the pumps as you say, cost would be approx $30000 per pump( I wonder who would pay for that in the end). and as it is a good percentage of customers can not swipe they cards properly even when given instructions at the counter.

We HAD eftpos at our pumps, (now only business cards can use them) no service, pre-pay came in... (and I don't take off my helmet, but I am only the passenger).I don't go to that station if I can, I go to the station where the attendant comes out and say "hello, good morning, nice day" he/she is polite, and over 30 and pumps my gas (car).

Its the age old scenario "the bad always spoil it for the good"... "the minority rule, the majority pay".

Isn't life sad, because of the idiots that have no cognitive abilities... of manners, courtesy & good behaviour.. and I am not talking about the ones that leave their helmets on, but the robbers.

sunhuntin

18th May 2009, 07:57

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember you identifying me when you had never met me? :eek: Thats pretty damn good going :niceone:

did you have a kb sticker or something? LOL. kbers with stickers and the like are easy to pick out. :niceone:

BMWST?

18th May 2009, 08:06

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember you identifying me when you had never met me? :eek: Thats pretty damn good going :niceone:
gremlins are quite recognizeable with helmets off:bleh:

discotex

18th May 2009, 08:36

That's almost as hard as trying to figure out who's jumping where in your avatar.

Maybe I should have just written "Wear a belaclava when you go in to pay and see if they complain".

I feel sorry for anyone who looks at my avatar for too long haha.

MarkH

18th May 2009, 08:40

Hi Fellow Kiwi Bikers,
I went in to Shell Northcross and noted first of all a pool of thick oil about 100 mm across spilled on the concrete, then I noticed there had been a big spill of Diesel which had leaked out some 400 mm from the pump.

I do two things:
1. I always remove my helmet before pumping gas.
2. I avoid service stations with the forecourt in that kind of state.

Seriously - diesel and oil spilt on the forecourt is no laughing matter, go somewhere else next time.

Oscar

18th May 2009, 11:09

I tell you what - when they stop the stupid fucking game with the pre-pay, where you have to wave and whistle at the moronic attendant who is too busy making coffee and the local BP is too cheap to either improve security to stop drive away thefts and/or hire some more moronic attendants to make the coffee (I understand that they make more out of coffee than petrol, but if I don't buy me fucking petrol because I can't get any fucking service and have to stand around for five minutes before the moron turns the pump on, I won't be buying petrol or coffee off of you will I?) - I'll take me fucking helmet off.

HenryDorsetCase

18th May 2009, 11:19

I had to shout at a moron* on Saturday afternoon at the BP because the drone failed to turn the tap on to make fuel come out the nozzle. I only went to that BP because it was 30 secs more convenient than my usual Shell.

Lesson learned. Vote with wallet.

*Oi, turn the fucking pump on!!!! that got their attention because the forecourt was busy.

MSTRS

18th May 2009, 11:23

The reality is that the margin on a fuel purchase made by a motorcyclist would be unlikely to cover the overheads involved in the sale process.

Those delicate and outraged bikers who determine to take their business elsewhere will not be missed.

Excuse me? Overheads? Does the till jockey 'work' for free when no sales are happening? Is the power to the chillers/pie-warmer/lights/etc only charged when a customer walks in? And so on...
Overheads are there, whether someone buys gas or not.

Oscar

18th May 2009, 11:41

The reality is that the margin on a fuel purchase made by a motorcyclist would be unlikely to cover the overheads involved in the sale process.

Those delicate and outraged bikers who determine to take their business elsewhere will not be missed.

The reality is that most motorcyclists have a car as well and are no longer the stereotypical motorcyclist of the past. Far from being an economic non-entity, there is a large sub-set of older riders whose income is distinctly above average and who are discerning shoppers.

The reality is also that anyone with that sort of attitude will not last long in business.

skidMark

18th May 2009, 11:52

They used to hate it when i bought in my pit bike and put in $4 gas to fill it up....

ManDownUnder

18th May 2009, 11:56

3Banger

18th May 2009, 11:56

3Banger

18th May 2009, 12:00

[QUOTE=ManDownUnder;1129217273]

You'd better stop going into banks too then - they get a bit itchy about people wearing helmets. Or try it at a chemist. I'm willing to bet if you walked into the cop shop they'd ask you to remove it as well. How about in a court of law?

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You cant walk into our local Wespac bank now wearing sun glasses or a cap.

Fair enuff too, there seems to be alot of idiots out there who value 5 dollars over some ones life

Ragingrob

18th May 2009, 12:02

I reckon that anyone who finds it stink that have to take their helmet off in a garage or shop would have to be the following 3 things:

1/ An ugly fucker

2/ Have A.D.D, ''oh look at me everyone, I ride a motor bike... do I have your attention?''

3/ A fuckwit

1/ So aren't they doing the world a favour?

2/ Do the full leathers not kinda give it away and ask for attention anyway?

3/ Care to elaborate?

JimO

18th May 2009, 12:06

'I...I thing, Zir, you cash car din were!'

We solved the prob. All this over $5-75. Apparently, I'd failed to press 'enter'.

It's a big cultural difference, eh? For $5-75 I'd have just thought" what the hell". But in Asian society, the loss of such a sum is, apparently, near Titanic in proportion.

.

you would be crying like a fucking baby if they short changed you $5.75...fucking asians trying to rob me

MarkH

18th May 2009, 12:07

Excuse me? Overheads? Does the till jockey 'work' for free when no sales are happening? Is the power to the chillers/pie-warmer/lights/etc only charged when a customer walks in? And so on...
Overheads are there, whether someone buys gas or not.

So true, the cost per sale is almost nothing. The cost per hour/day/week/month is what would concern the owners. The more petrol sold per week the more income to cover those costs. The more dozens of bikers buying elsewhere the less money coming in to cover rent/wages/power/etc. The more customers that come into the shop to pay the more pies/chocolate/etc they sell.

The idea of customers in their droves heading to the competition not worrying the petrol station owner is a ludicrous one. Losing a sale means very little, but losing a customer means a lot of money per year is lost. I live in Auckland - I have plenty of choices of where to fill up. I usually go to one station where they give me no problems - I never prepay and the gas always gets turned on (car or bike). They keep me happy and I keep coming back and spending my money there.

3Banger

18th May 2009, 12:08

1/ yep good call

2/ lets say fuckwit is wearing a t-shirt, shorts and running shoes

3/ a fuckwit will argue about removing a helmet, it aint that hard

Ixion

18th May 2009, 12:21

Gee... I always thought it was polite to remove your helmet when talking to people. Like mirrored sunglasses.

What's the big deal? Do people feel threatened or belittled when asked to take their helmets off, is it really such a big deal? Is it an anti bike thing...

You'd better stop going into banks too then - they get a bit itchy about people wearing helmets. Or try it at a chemist. I'm willing to bet if you walked into the cop shop they'd ask you to remove it as well. How about in a court of law?

Fuck's sake. Get over it.

Perhaps some of the issue is in the manner of asking? There is a big difference between "Excuse me Sir, I'm required by company policy to ask you to remove your helmet, please" ; and "Get your helmet off NOW".

I remember when men all wore hats. And it was considered bad manners not to remove ones hat during social interaction . So, a court will require you to remove your helmet. But, likewise it will require you to remove your hat.

So, from a courtesy point of view the question is whether the brief transaction of paying for petrol should be classified as social interaction. It seems doubtful.

I've never really understood what the big deal is. A few robber type persons have worn helmets. So? More wear hoodies or beanies or balaclavas. And as folk have noted, in most cases the bona fides of the customer are not in doubt.

I'm reasonably confident that every robber who has worn a helmet has also worn trousers. Should we offer to remove those also?

Oscar

18th May 2009, 12:25

Gee... I always thought it was polite to remove your helmet when talking to people. Like mirrored sunglasses.

What's the big deal? Do people feel threatened or belittled when asked to take their helmets off, is it really such a big deal? Is it an anti bike thing...

You'd better stop going into banks too then - they get a bit itchy about people wearing helmets. Or try it at a chemist. I'm willing to bet if you walked into the cop shop they'd ask you to remove it as well. How about in a court of law?

Fuck's sake. Get over it.

Politeness is a two way thing normally, and the point of my earlier rant is that some Gas Stations wouldn't know service if it bit them on their Corporate arses.

This story is also about choice.

The fact is, I usually take my helmet off, but occasionally I'm in a hurry.
The fact is also that my local G.A.S place don't give a rats either way and doesn't have an annoying prepay policy. So I shop there.

And when I'm in Town, I avoid BP Stations. I go to the Caltex in Dinsdale because they treat me like a human, and not an unwelcome interruption to Coffee sales.

Ragingrob

18th May 2009, 12:26

1/ yep good call

2/ lets say fuckwit is wearing a t-shirt, shorts and running shoes

3/ a fuckwit will argue about removing a helmet, it aint that hard

1/ :niceone:

2/ Sounds like a scooter rider, or indeed a fuckwit yes.

3/ Sure it ain't hard, but it ain't hard to just let them pay and be on their way either, in fact, it's easier!

BMWST?

18th May 2009, 12:28

So true, the cost per sale is almost nothing. The cost per hour/day/week/month is what would concern the owners. The more petrol sold per week the more income to cover those costs. The more dozens of bikers buying elsewhere the less money coming in to cover rent/wages/power/etc. The more customers that come into the shop to pay the more pies/chocolate/etc they sell.

The idea of customers in their droves heading to the competition not worrying the petrol station owner is a ludicrous one. Losing a sale means very little, but losing a customer means a lot of money per year is lost. I live in Auckland - I have plenty of choices of where to fill up. I usually go to one station where they give me no problems - I never prepay and the gas always gets turned on (car or bike). They keep me happy and I keep coming back and spending my money there.

droves? so far we are talking about 50 people country wide.

avgas

18th May 2009, 12:28

I'm buying gas not getting a fucking haircut.
I'm glad we cleared that one up, if you use a service station for haircuts god knows what you do at a barber's.

avgas

18th May 2009, 12:33

Ragingrob

18th May 2009, 12:48

How about this for a simple rule.
Step 1) If you are at home, some dude you don't recognise pulls up on a bike you don't know. You go for the gun cabinet.
Step 2) He does not let you see his face as he walks to your door, you grab the bolt
Step 3) He gets to the door, helmet still on......you cock the bolt
Step 4) He steps inside the house, helmet still on - you aim and yell "Take that helmet off or i'll shoot!"

Now imagine you work at a Servo

As already said... Home is rather different to a petrol station. Or do they expect us to take our shoes off now too?

Step 1) You're working at the servo, a bike pulls up you don't recognise and leaves helmet on.
Step 2) They point at the pump and their eftpos card, you nod and smile while turning pump on.
Step 3) They fill up in 2mins.
Step 4) They come into the shop, say g'day, pay their $20, and leave happy.

Ragingrob

18th May 2009, 12:52

droves? so far we are talking about 50 people country wide.

I hope you don't work in any kind of business relating to customers in any way whatsoever.

Grahameeboy

18th May 2009, 12:59

was he asian ?

F/F

No it was not a driver.......

Grahameeboy

18th May 2009, 13:01

The gas station may have had a robbery where the robber wore a helmet...Just take it off if asked and if there is a sign but at end of day it's a property issue and I guess the owner's via staff can ask you to remove your helmet..banks do it...

Grahameeboy

18th May 2009, 13:03

i have an issue with removing my gear when the petrol station is full of arab women in Bhurkas

double standard?

Bit of a difference...Police 5 does not normally show criminals in Bhurkas....

Grahameeboy

18th May 2009, 13:04

Do you obey every road rule every day every second?

Big difference.....not hard to keep the helmet rule

Ragingrob

18th May 2009, 13:06

Big difference.....not hard to keep the helmet rule

Doesn't matter. His premise for his argument was that rules are rules so ya gotta obey them... Obviously this premise is fallacious.

Grahameeboy

18th May 2009, 13:07

Why's that Einstein? Rules made by the owner of the said servo and the owner of the house are different why?

Nop...both have property owner rights v visitors.....I tend to allow dirty dogs and leave the owners outside.....

Grahameeboy

18th May 2009, 13:07

Doesn't matter. His premise for his argument was that rules are rules so ya gotta obey them... Obviously this premise is fallacious.

I agree he was fallacious.......

2wheeldrifter

18th May 2009, 14:30

Sorry...can't agree with you on this one. It's their place...their rules. My money! With the amount of robbings...bashings and general mayhem that retailers have to put up with now...for video surveillance's sake...remove the helmet. why do they want to see my face? I have done nothing wrong! I am standing in line and have a credit card in my hand ready to pay...wtf!

I have never been asked to take my helmet off..

Crasherfromwayback

18th May 2009, 14:36

I have never been asked to take my helmet off..

Neither have I.

mstriumph

18th May 2009, 14:41

Neither have I.

me either

if i did i would immediatly take it off to reveal the hijab i wear underneath .....

kidding - just kidding ....

2wheeldrifter

18th May 2009, 14:44

Think then some of us may look like we are about to rob the place... Hmmm change your outfit K-BIKE!!

mstriumph

18th May 2009, 14:46

I'm reasonably confident that every robber who has worn a helmet has also worn trousers. Should we offer to remove those also?

do you realise, it's gonna take me at LEAST a week to get that awful mental image out of my mind???? :nono:

Waxxa

18th May 2009, 15:48

I have a Flip-face helmet and have had no problems at my local servo or anywhere for that matter in NZ, though I can understand with full-face helmets that the servos' would ask you to remove it.

I had a trip recently to Australia and man, they are 'anal' about helmets at servos' over there...you are under no illusions to 'Remove your Helmet'.

MarkH

18th May 2009, 16:33

droves? so far we are talking about 50 people country wide.

Really? How do you figure that number? If the service station chain has a policy that pisses off a number of bikers then I would imagine that even a couple of percent of bikers = many more than 50 people.

Or have you somehow decided that anyone that doesn't bitch in this thread could not possibly be pissed off enough to change petrol stations that they frequent?

Let us say that Mobil instigated a policy that every delivery of fuel must be pre-paid - no exceptions. How many customers would they lose, especially bikers? If you piss off your customers you will make your competitors VERY happy!

mynameis

18th May 2009, 16:37

I'm glad we cleared that one up, if you use a service station for haircuts god knows what you do at a barber's.

At the Barber you'd be getting a Perm Douglas :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqz9eJiBa_Q

ManDownUnder

18th May 2009, 17:00

Perhaps some of the issue is in the manner of asking? Perhaps it is.

Perhaps a significant part of the issue is also in the fact helmets have an ongoing use use as a disguise for those wanting to rob the place. I think asking someone to remove a helmet on those grounds is quite fair enough - and (dare I even hint at) being thoughtful enough to anticipate the wants of the petrol station and voluntarily taking off our lids might even speed the whole transaction due to a lack of any conversation along the lines of the one that somehow managed to get out of hand in the opening post of this thread.

We could take advantage of the most convenient petrol station instead of having to go out of our way to "teach them a lesson" when it might just be us that needs to take 5 second look at what we're doing and consider that it might just be upsetting to others.

So, from a courtesy point of view the question is whether the brief transaction of paying for petrol should be classified as social interaction. It seems doubtful.

So you're saying I can be take it as a right to be discourteous to anyone serving me, or only those transaction that are brief in nature? In which case you can fuck off.

I've never really understood what the big deal is. A few robber type persons have worn helmets. So? More wear hoodies or beanies or balaclavas. And as folk have noted, in most cases the bona fides of the customer are not in doubt.

I'm reasonably confident that every robber who has worn a helmet has also worn trousers. Should we offer to remove those also?

Piss poor example - but I'll run with it. If trousers were sometimes used to obfuscate the identity of wearers who had it in mind to rob the place... yes.

And to extend that argument... doesn't an employer have a responsibility to staff to minimise exposure to foreseeable danger? And given that you accept that robbers use helmets in order to best effect their theivery on occasion... and it's entirely possible for any motorcyclist to remove their helmet... isn't a policy of asking for helmets to be removed the prudent thing to do...

... in which case shouldn't we as the wearers anticipate and accommodate those wants?

What is really so hard about it? I fail to see what the challenge is.

Crasherfromwayback

18th May 2009, 17:06

What is really so hard about it? I fail to see what the challenge is.

You'll never convince those that are too cool...too tough...or too rude and or lazy they're wrong. No matter how well you point out the obvious.

ManDownUnder

18th May 2009, 17:08

You'll never convince those that are too cool...too tough...or too rude and or lazy they're wrong. No matter how well you point out the obvious.

I guess I need to accommodate morons too then dammit..

SARGE

18th May 2009, 17:47

Bit of a difference...Police 5 does not normally show criminals in Bhurkas....

show me video of someone robbing a liquor store or petrol station in a helmet

i'll give $100 to the first man who robs a dairy wearing a Bhurka

win/win

Ixion

18th May 2009, 17:58

Perhaps it is.

So you're saying I can be take it as a right to be discourteous to anyone serving me, or only those transaction that are brief in nature? In which case you can fuck off.

No. I am saying that it is debateable whether not removing ones helmet/hat/beanie/hood/sunglasses etc should be considered discourteous in the context of the short and impersonal transaction. I see no real difference between a helmet and a hat or cap. If it is discourteous to address someone wearing a helmet, it is equally discourteous to address them wearing a hat, or beanie, or cap.

If you drive into a car park and there is an attendant taking the fees (I'm thinking of showgrounds and such where the dude in the white coat ambles up to collect as you drive/ride in ) , do you remove your helmet before handing him your money, and riding on? If not, where is the difference?

Piss poor example - but I'll run with it. If trousers were sometimes used to obfuscate the identity of wearers who had it in mind to rob the place... yes.

And to extend that argument... doesn't an employer have a responsibility to staff to minimise exposure to foreseeable danger? And given that you accept that robbers use helmets in order to best effect their theivery on occasion... and it's entirely possible for any motorcyclist to remove their helmet... isn't a policy of asking for helmets to be removed the prudent thing to do...

... in which case shouldn't we as the wearers anticipate and accommodate those wants?

What is really so hard about it? I fail to see what the challenge is.

In fact, I am unconvinced that helmets are indeed used to obfuscate the identity of petrol staion robbers. Has there EVER been an example of someone roibbing a petrol station in NZ wearing a helmet? I suspect there will have been many more cases of robers wearing hoodies, caps and sunglasses etc. So if the robbery motive were the real reason one would expect to see signs forbidding the latter also (as I believe is often the case in the UK).

dpex

18th May 2009, 18:10

Can anyone spot the irony in this post?

Nar. Seemed a bit 'Coppery' to me.

dpex

18th May 2009, 18:14

Piss poor example - but I'll run with it. If trousers were sometimes used to obfuscate the identity of wearers who had it in mind to rob the place... yes.

Ah! But you see, trousers are the preferred method of Harley riders to obfuscate their other 'short-comings'

steve_t

18th May 2009, 18:18

No. I am saying that it is debateable whether not removing ones helmet/hat/beanie/hood/sunglasses etc should be considered discourteous in the context of the short and impersonal transaction. I see no real difference between a helmet and a hat or cap. If it is discourteous to address someone wearing a helmet, it is equally discourteous to address them wearing a hat, or beanie, or cap.

Huh? You think that wearing a hat/cap/beanie and wearing a helmet are the same? With the hat etc, you can see the person's face. I don't disagree that it's rude to keep your sunglasses on when talking to someone, especially when inside their shop - unless you're outside in bright sunlight and you'd otherwise be squinting at them.

If you drive into a car park and there is an attendant taking the fees (I'm thinking of showgrounds and such where the dude in the white coat ambles up to collect as you drive/ride in ) , do you remove your helmet before handing him your money, and riding on? If not, where is the difference?

The car park attendant is in a locked booth. I guess it doesn't help them if you have a gun. The parking attendant probably doesn't have hundreds of dollars in his till for you to steal.

In fact, I am unconvinced that helmets are indeed used to obfuscate the identity of petrol staion robbers. Has there EVER been an example of someone roibbing a petrol station in NZ wearing a helmet? I suspect there will have been many more cases of robers wearing hoodies, caps and sunglasses etc. So if the robbery motive were the real reason one would expect to see signs forbidding the latter also (as I believe is often the case in the UK).

I can't disagree here. I haven't heard of any robberies with people wearing helmets. It would be stupid as you'd be reducing your field of vision and you wouldn't be able to hear as well. HOWEVER, the fact is that when someone is wearing a helmet, you can't see any part of their face using a security camera. The places asking you to remove your helmet are just being cautious.

Not any kind of analogy but I wonder how many motorists get fired up about being asked to turn off their engine when filling with petrol, or asked to not talk on their cell phones, or smoke. They've surely done it hundreds of times before without any problems...

FJRider

18th May 2009, 18:32

I'm reasonably confident that every robber who has worn a helmet has also worn trousers. Should we offer to remove those also?

As I am reasonably confident, that if you go into a gas station with your pants at your knees... no-one will have any idea what you look like. Helmet or no helmet. Because no-one will be looking at your face...

although you may be given (at worst) a sympathy card ...

Ragingrob

18th May 2009, 18:36

You'll never convince those that are too cool...too tough...or too rude and or lazy they're wrong. No matter how well you point out the obvious.

Pretty hard to convince them when all you do is ignore all the arguments we are making and make personal inferences rather than any further arguments yourself.

show me video of someone robbing a liquor store or petrol station in a helmet

i'll give $100 to the first man who robs a dairy wearing a Bhurka

win/win

:first:

Motorcycling is my religion, servos are therefore being openly racist towards me.

I quite like Ixion's trouser example... Much easier to conceal a gun in your trousers than in a helmet, pretty dangerous stuff!

And yep how many cases have there been if any of a robber wearing a helmet? Especially one riding a bike with his wallet out and in full bike gear? How can they enforce something with no precedent?

As has already been said... Eftpos at pumps solves all.

Crasherfromwayback

18th May 2009, 18:39

Pretty hard to convince them when all you do is ignore all the arguments we are making and make personal inferences rather than any further arguments yourself.

.

How many new ones have you come up with knobjob?

Ragingrob

18th May 2009, 18:47

How many new ones have you come up with knobjob?

I've made a few arguments against yours, but your rebuttal seems to amount to calling people knobjobs. :niceone:

Here ya go, you've said that if you walk into a servo then it's like not taking your shoes off going into someone's house...

Picture this, I'm a business consultant and the CEO of Vodafone has arranged an appointment at my home for some advice. I think it would be a bad decision on my half to FORCE him to take his shoes off before entering. This is the only way you could compare a service station with a home. Do you disagree with this?

Do you believe that people should take off their hat before walking into McDonalds?

Customers are the stars.

Now please prove your argument against mine... Knobjob.

EDIT:

P.S. Attacking the source of the argument and not the argument itself is a good way to lose credibility and respect pretty quickly :msn-wink:

munterk6

18th May 2009, 19:15

:argue: :sleep::sleep::sleep:

PirateJafa

18th May 2009, 19:29

How many new ones have you come up with knobjob?

Considering you haven't forwarded any decent arguments of your own, RagingRob is walking all over you mate.

Do you remove your shoes before you walk into a supermarket? There's a difference between a house and a business, though that might be beyond you.

Hell, come to think of it I usually don't even bother taking my helmet off when I walk into the local supermarket.

aroberts

18th May 2009, 19:33

I wear my flip-top into Shell Greville Road and they don't mind. I'm surprised Northcross have the new rule. I won't go there anymore then.

Squiggles

18th May 2009, 19:35

Poll needs the option of sometimes, i dont usually bother at the locals. But at the busy places like the autobahn or Shell westgate will

Tone165

18th May 2009, 19:38

Is Sam the attendant? Were they dudd 'e's or something?

This is not helpful!

I never remove my helmet when refuelling. If they were to ask me to BEFORE I get fuel...I would go elswhere, if they don't and then do not wish to accept my offer of payment...I'd just leave without paying! (It has never happened!)

Once they allow you to take fuel they have entered into a trade, if they want to impose conditions after that too bad.

My religion requires that I wear a helmet while refuelling or paying..I can remove my helmet after the transaction is complete if I want to.

It is illegal for any business to ask me to remove my helmet once I have explained that...religious discrimination is not tolerated in Aussie (unless your a christian..then you can suffer in ya jocks!)

I use a flip face helmet, I usually pay with a fuelcard, I'm happy top produce ID if requested...but I do not accept being assumed a crim because I ride a motorbike.

sunhuntin

18th May 2009, 19:48

I do two things:
1. I always remove my helmet before pumping gas.
2. I avoid service stations with the forecourt in that kind of state.

Seriously - diesel and oil spilt on the forecourt is no laughing matter, go somewhere else next time.

yep, ive nearly fallen over when i put my foot down in diesel. some how managed to move forwards at about the same time the foot shot out, lol. now i avoid diesel pumps at all times. i have also warned customers on bikes about any minor spill [ie, a few drops that have merged together to form a small puddle that could be troublesome] just in case.

the one thing i hate about my local shell is the forecourt... every pump is cambered to assist with draining spills. i have to park with the pumps on my left, as otherwise the damn bike nearly falls over due to the angle, lol.

and someone mentioned about asking people to remove shoes at a servo. i never, ever did, but many would remove them voluntarily if they were muddy etc. my main concerns were cunts who thought smoking was an ideal thing to do while fuelling. i threatened several times to dump the window washing water over their heads.

Crasherfromwayback

18th May 2009, 19:51

Considering you haven't forwarded any decent arguments of your own, RagingRob is walking all over you mate.

Do you remove your shoes before you walk into a supermarket? There's a difference between a house and a business, though that might be beyond you.

Hell, come to think of it I usually don't even bother taking my helmet off when I walk into the local supermarket.

I think I have. Doesn't worry me you don't. But seeing as you've mentioned it...if the rules of the local supermarket said I must remove my shoes I would if I wanted to go in there. Simple really. Doesn't surprise me you'd go into the supermarket with your lid on. But again...to me...that's the hight of rudeness.

At a gas station...when I put gas in a bike...I remove my helmet as I'm walking to the door as I know they don't like you wearing your lid inside. It's off before I enter the place...as I'm able to remove it in about 5 seconds flat. I then pay. I'm polite and nice to whoever is behind the counter. I return to the bike and by the time I throw a leg over it...the helmet is back on. None too taxing. So you see...I think you think you're too cool...too tough...or simply too lazy and or rude to bother. We both have our opinions...and that's great.

Ragingrob

18th May 2009, 20:04

I think I have. Doesn't worry me you don't. But seeing as you've mentioned it...if the rules of the local supermarket said I must remove my shoes I would if I wanted to go in there. Simple really. Doesn't surprise me you'd go into the supermarket with your lid on. But again...to me...that's the hight of rudeness.

At a gas station...when I put gas in a bike...I remove my helmet as I'm walking to the door as I know they don't like you wearing your lid inside. It's off before I enter the place...as I'm able to remove it in about 5 seconds flat. I then pay. I'm polite and nice to whoever is behind the counter. I return to the bike and by the time I throw a leg over it...the helmet is back on. None too taxing. So you see...I think you think you're too cool...too tough...or simply too lazy and or rude to bother. We both have our opinions...and that's great.

Now... This is similar to me. Most of the time, I actually remove my helmet before even touching the pump, as surely if they're worried about thefts then that would actually be a more ideal "rule".

I too am polite and chatty with whoever is at the counter, if they act in the same manner towards me.

What I very much dislike is the thought of being FORCED to remove our helmets.

Many arguments in this thread are based on oh it's rude not to take it off etc etc in terms of manners and whatnot. That's not the fucken point! Each to their own, you can be rude if you want, that's all down to individual personality! Why is this being argued when the point is about being forced to remove our helmets? We aren't being forced to remove them because it shows good manners surely, why are we being forced at all?!

On another point, I've been forced to remove my helmet sometimes when I've left it on cause I'm in a rush on my commute, but I've never ever seen any signs displaying the need for no helmet? Do any in Auckland have this?

The argument regarding burkhas is also something nobody has contested. They often conceal even more than a helmet does so why are they allowed? It's much cheaper for a robber to find a cloth to use as a burkha than to find a helmet, much easier to run in too.

PirateJafa

18th May 2009, 20:08

So you see...I think you think you're too cool...too tough...or simply too lazy and or rude to bother. We both have our opinions...and that's great.

Interesting.

I know the attendants at my local BP by name - they're nice guys, and often chat with me about whichever of my bikes I'm riding at the time, when they were last at a trackday with their car, the weather, all sorts.

Wearing a helmet =/= You are a rube "knobjob" (as you so eloquently put it)

Considering that filling up your bikes take all of five minutes from rocking into the station right up to the wheelie out, I'm not going to add an extra two minutes by needlessly taking off my helmet and glasses, then having to put my earplugs/iPod back on, putting the helmet on, squeezing my glasses in, and then realizing one of the earphones have been knocked out and having to rinse and repeat.

Fukkit. They don't care, so why should I?

There's more important things in life for you to be getting your knickers in a twist about, mate.

Guzza

18th May 2009, 20:08

Gotta admit, I'm happy that my local servo staff dont seem to be bothered by me wearing my lid inside to pay. Granted, the guys there know me, I only live down the road but if a servo enforced that rule on me, I wouldnt go back.

Crasherfromwayback

18th May 2009, 20:11

There's more important things in life for you to be getting your knickers in a twist about, mate.

Totally agree with you there!

PirateJafa

18th May 2009, 20:12

Totally agree with you there!
Good stuff, come back when you've fixed world hunger and brought peace to the Middle East (and "nuke 'em from orbit" doesn't count).

Crasherfromwayback

18th May 2009, 20:15

Good stuff, come back when you've fixed world hunger and brought peace to the Middle East (and "nuke 'em from orbit" doesn't count).

Working on it as we speak.

discotex

18th May 2009, 20:17

I wonder if it has it occurred to any of these gas station workers that should they be facing a real robber you're unlikely to comply with their request anyway.

:lol:

Maha

18th May 2009, 20:19

I wonder if it has it occurred to any of these gas station workers that should they be facing a real robber you're unlikely to comply with their request anyway.

:lol:

And they wont be wearing a helmet either, more likely a bandana/truckers cap on backwards and sunny's (that they stole from the servo earlier that day)

mynameis

18th May 2009, 20:19

I wonder if it has it occurred to any of these gas station workers that should they be facing a real robber you're unlikely to comply with their request anyway.

:lol:

No you'll demand the robber take his balaclava off because there's a sign outside :laugh:

Lots of people in this thread need perms :lol: I think I should go and get one too.

BMWST?

18th May 2009, 20:20

Really? How do you figure that number? !
it was quite easy really at the time the pollindicated that 50 people did not remove their helmets.That is the topic of discussion,

Ragingrob

18th May 2009, 20:24

it was quite easy really at the time the pollindicated that 50 people did not remove their helmets.That is the topic of discussion,

Surely you could have maybe taken the percentage? I reckon the percentage from the poll out of the total motorcycle population would be slightly above 50 :doh:

Swoop

18th May 2009, 20:26

As I am reasonably confident, that if you go into a gas station with your pants at your knees... no-one will have any idea what you look like. Helmet or no helmet. Because no-one will be looking at your face...[/SIZE]
OK. I'll bite.....

quickbuck

18th May 2009, 20:26

Surely you could have maybe taken the percentage? I reckon the percentage from the poll out of the total motorcycle population would be slightly above 50 :doh:

Lies, Darn lies, and statistics.....

the mouse

18th May 2009, 20:29

So why don't they have a system where "gas up only" vehicles can drive in - one way, fill up, then have a window cashier that drops a exit gate when you've paid, letting you out ........baaaa
because when you are inside with your helmet off, you could be tempted to see and buy munchies from their stacked shelves. This is what they make their money out of, there's no money in gas, despite the price of it.

Taking the helmet off and on with specs is a PITA.
There's only one Um, that's *uck UM, shop elsewhere.
Another pump shop will soon get to know you if you are a regular visitor and of no threat as a low life snivelling petrol pilferer, just as a low life snivelling motorcyclist.

Any get annoyed with selective attendants filling up cars on the forecourt, when meanwhile a que up at the till is waiting to pay?

vifferman

18th May 2009, 20:46

In fact, I am unconvinced that helmets are indeed used to obfuscate the identity of petrol staion robbers. Has there EVER been an example of someone roibbing a petrol station in NZ wearing a helmet? I suspect there will have been many more cases of robers wearing hoodies, caps and sunglasses etc.

I haven't heard of any robberies with people wearing helmets.

And yep how many cases have there been if any of a robber wearing a helmet? Especially one riding a bike with his wallet out and in full bike gear? How can they enforce something with no precedent?

Indeed.
But it seems most of the people getting angry about the idea of not taking your helmet off unless asked to, obviously haven't resorted to thinking thisw through logically. It's easier to just resort to name-calling. :rolleyes:

As has already been said... Eftpos at pumps solves all.
Yeah.
I wish it had been brought in instead of pre-pay. In fact, I'd just decided to start going to Mobil because they had EFTPOS at the pump, when they brought in their stupid 'Mobil card or prepay only'.

But (however!) it's not a big deal. It's instructive to watch the odd person here show their true colours or get on their high horse.

quickbuck

18th May 2009, 20:54

In fact, I'd just decided to start going to Mobil because they had EFTPOS at the pump, when they brought in their stupid 'Mobil card or prepay only'.
.

Also, people stopped using it because you could get 4 cents per litre off (at Mobil) if you brought a couple of chocolate bars........

Yes, ironic I know, but people are funny creatures sometimes.

MarkH

18th May 2009, 20:55

If you drive into a car park and there is an attendant taking the fees (I'm thinking of showgrounds and such where the dude in the white coat ambles up to collect as you drive/ride in ) , do you remove your helmet before handing him your money, and riding on? If not, where is the difference?

What am I missing here? Is this a trick question? My first instinct is to guess that the difference is that you are actually riding the motorcycle, therefore you wear the helmet whether it is rude or not and the dude has to accept that. I guess this is too obvious and the answer must be something else - I give up, what's the real answer?

NordieBoy

18th May 2009, 21:11

HOWEVER, the fact is that when someone is wearing a helmet, you can't see any part of their face using a security camera. The places asking you to remove your helmet are just being cautious.

Really?

I'll have a little go at generalising myself then.
Only the minority wearing fullface helmets can't be seen by the security cameras...

The ones wearing openface/flips/skullcaps/half helmets are in full view.

I don't think there are any servos around here that have the sticker beside the door. Caltex Bishopdale used to.

MarkH

18th May 2009, 21:16

my main concerns were cunts who thought smoking was an ideal thing to do while fuelling.

This is an easy one to explain - some people are fuckin' stupid! (Just think about how stupid the average person is and realise that half the people are stupider than that)

Gotta admit, I'm happy that my local servo staff dont seem to be bothered by me wearing my lid inside to pay. Granted, the guys there know me, I only live down the road but if a servo enforced that rule on me, I wouldnt go back.

Clever man - you have a choice of where to take your business and you choose the place that gives you the greatest service & convenience - this is exactly what you are supposed to do. Any service station has the right to require you to remove your helmet, any motorist has the right to take their business elsewhere.

it was quite easy really at the time the pollindicated that 50 people did not remove their helmets.That is the topic of discussion,

How many in total answered that poll? How many motorcyclists in total are riding in NZ? What number of motorcyclists does that 50 actually represent?

discotex

18th May 2009, 22:15

No you'll demand the robber take his balaclava off because there's a sign outside :laugh:

Lots of people in this thread need perms :lol: I think I should go and get one too.

I'm thinking they should upgrade the signs to..

"NO WEAPONS ALLOWED ON THIS PREMISES"

It'll go nicely with the no smoking/no cellphones/drive-offs will be prosecuted/etc signs that everyone ignores as well.

:niceone:

And they wont be wearing a helmet either, more likely a bandana/truckers cap on backwards and sunny's (that they stole from the servo earlier that day)

If we build a motorway through Waterview this whole crime problem goes away according to Ms Lee :eek:

skinman

18th May 2009, 22:32

LMAO:clap: Nothing like a good pointless discussion. I take a 10L fuel can in & fill it at the same time as the cage because my mop has such a HUGE tank.

LaytonNZ

18th May 2009, 23:14

sunhuntin

19th May 2009, 08:32

Any get annoyed with selective attendants filling up cars on the forecourt, when meanwhile a que up at the till is waiting to pay?

yeh... sorry about that. my bp only had the one till, lol. and it depends who was on it as to how long the line was. if the limpy religious nutjob was on till, that queue would take 3 times as long to clear than if i or the manager were on. same goes for the forecourt itself... i was easily the fastest out there, including gas bottles. limpy only served the customers he liked and could waste time preaching to.
the manager there wants to get rid of limpy cos hes a major head injury waiting to happen. hes a mild eplileptic and has seizures quite often [its got worse] one time i got there early after working at another site, and he was actually flat on the forecourt having a fit. god knows how he didnt get run over. if hed collapsed closer to one of the concrete pump islands, he would have been killed.
i went and tried to get my job back, and was turned down by the co-owner.

Swoop

19th May 2009, 12:43

Any get annoyed with selective attendants filling up cars on the forecourt
WHAT?? They still do that?
I haven't seen an attendant actually pumping gas for a customer in... 5(?) years!

I'm thinking they should upgrade the signs to..

"NO WEAPONS ALLOWED ON THIS PREMISES"
I have been into places where it is quite clearly stated, that no firearms are permitted.
Then again, entering the USSR I had to declare how many automatic weapons I had with me... Yay for border control.:thud:

Vacarious

19th May 2009, 15:16

i always take my helmet off when at the counter. its just the same as no caps at the dinner table etc.

just the way i have been brought up, with a bit of manners

steve_t

19th May 2009, 15:46

If you're in or near Hamilton and you don't think you should have to remove your helmet at a petrol station, go to Gull on Norton Rd. Self service only with EFTPOS at pump. Also 1c per litre cheaper normally

Hidalgo

19th May 2009, 15:57

just remove it then.

PirateJafa

19th May 2009, 16:33

WHAT?? They still do that?
I haven't seen an attendant actually pumping gas for a customer in... 5(?) years!

Shell at Highland Park, East Auckland.

Pumped my gas for me just two days ago while I was in the Towmobile - and since I was the only one left on the court at that point he even cleaned my windscreen!

You guys need to look friendlier, evidently.

Oscar

19th May 2009, 17:36

Swoop

19th May 2009, 19:20

You guys need to look friendlier, evidently.
Can't see a problem really...

_Shrek_

19th May 2009, 21:50

i always take my helmet off when at the counter. its just the same as no caps at the dinner table etc.

just the way i have been brought up, with a bit of manners

I was brought up right to & this has nothing todo with manners :spanking:

So you see...I think you think you're too cool...too tough...or simply too lazy and or rude to bother. We both have our opinions...and that's great.

:bash: I resent you calling me any of the above :bleh: