Next BIG Protest with StoneY and the Unions

Published on 25th January 2010 10:44

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Ok everyone
I have had a few people mention there is no defined thread for the NEXT PROTEST

I have sevreal Unions on board for a big march on Parliament, and the wheels are starting to roll
Dates set for 16th February, at this point its a logical date as the Corrections Union are having a march the week before, and some other group have one the week after so we get a finite window of oppotunity to pull this off.

I have requested permission from the Speaker to enter the grounds en-masse on 16th February.

This is about more than just Bikers but we want to have a strong presence there.

I need about 3-400 bikers to attend on the day and make a visible presence at the front of the house, but this time speakers will all be Unionists and Academics and other disafeccted groups (is that the right term?)

Its gonna take some work to pull it off again, and I am hoping we get the same support we got last time for the BIKEOI, but wont hold my breath.

Anyone keen to help, PM me
And I aint talking about handing out fliers, I mean WORK and responsibility for some of the organisation...(nearly killed myself the last time with exhaustion.)

This iwll be along the same lines as the BIKEOI, peacefull but a strong message
Want loads of signs, banners, and a good chant, one I think we have heard before, LOL

StoneY

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MSTRS:Me - 17th February 2010, 13:15
Originally Posted by GSL

Another ...

5th post, in the same vein. Not a single idea, other than 'disruption'. Not a single offer to do better. Not a single offer to help others in organising.
Criticism is useful, but not unaccompanied by alternative(s).

mashman - 17th February 2010, 13:19
Thought i had to post this. Was just asked where i was yesterday. So spoke to my colleague about ACC, their proposals and the potential end game. Well, got as far as to say and they're looking at taking you holidays... when my colleague piped up with "hey look there's an indian couple arguing in the car park..." now that was dissapointing. But i guess it illustrates what many have said already. Noone knows, noone cares. I'll wait until the employee levies go through before I attempt to re-engage the office, because then they'll have proof that they're losing out when they look at their pay-slip.

I thouroughly enjoyed yesterday. The speakers were great, irrespective of the "give us your vote stuff and when we get back in blah blah blah"... as for the turnout, ha ha haaaa, is that the best the Unions can do... whilst i see that some of them are fighting for their own members... since when did their own members not have families, friends or clients that are going to also be affected... it was piss poor and it's an insult to the amount of hard work that must have gone on behind the scenes... enjoy the break Stones and thanks to all who have and are putting so much of themselves and their lives on hold to defend the rights of their fellow countrymen...

As far as peaceful disruption goes... we could have some fun with that... 200 nekkid bikers, well nearly nekkid, enough to not be arrested, walking through the streets, and i mean on the road, of (ANY/EVERY CITY) with

courtesy of CherryB
- losing your holiday pay (and even Treasury say that is unjust)
- losing some of your cover and treatment
- higher levies out of your wages and regos when ACC is taking in far more than it spends already.
- we're going to end up having to sue each other again if this carries on.

written across your fronts/backs... That could be done anytime... might get a different kind of rise out of the public...

everyone loves a little flesh, perhaps the government would like to choose the pound they want off of me personally!

StoneY - 17th February 2010, 13:32
Originally Posted by GSL

A “Real Protest” could shut down Wellington very easily. Just need about 200 bikers, real bikers and not the pathetic “don’t upset the public mob”. A lot of opportunities have gone to waste, especially when about 6,000 bikers were available in Wellington last year.
Maybe I will come across some bikers with real balls at this weeks HOG Rally!

Complying with the legal requirements to enter Parliaments grounds is far from being 'less than a biker' or having no balls as you claim

9,500 of us put in far more effort than you EVER will

As for finding more real bikers at the HOG rally, no offence to the HOG group but not a lot of those machines roll down the highway every day, and many never get wet beyond a wash in the driveway

Bet you think the guy that did the burnout on the Stadium damaging the valuable assett loaned to us by Westpac Stadium was a 'cool hardcore REAL biker' yet the coward has never fronted up to assist with the repairs

I ride my bike in ALL weather EVERY day through the rush hour traffic, I own 3 bikes and have been on no less than 6 protest actions...where the hell have YOU been mr macho?
Lets see YOU gather 200 'BIKERS' and shut the city down, put ya ass where ya mouth is... do that and you can rubbish the efforst we made so far but till you do, piss off.

Now I agree with the fact its time to take more disruptive action, and I will put myself and my bikes on the line to do so but your poo pooing of our efforts to date makes me sick... all noise I will bet

Toaster - 17th February 2010, 13:50
Originally Posted by Mom

Dont make it too long StoneY. I understand you with needing a break, i bowed out up here for a rest at the end of last year. I am refreshed now, and about ready to get out and have another crack at this. Dont be discouraged, or depressed mate. The message is still being heard, we are still here and we are still not happy. I am with Ixion on this, it will be the bikers that will be the force to be reckoned with.
Have a good rest, I promise in a couple of months you will feel much better.

Thank you for all the effort you hav eput in to date, I appreciate it as I am sure many other do too.

I agree Mom and good to hear you are refreshed. StoneY great effort mate. It was great to be there and so good to see people voicing their right to speak up and to challenge what is being dished out to all bikers and those affected by the considerable changes at ACC levies and services. I for one have suffered so much because of thier denial to support my recovery.

Looking forward to the next one.

cowboyz - 17th February 2010, 14:58
Ive said it before and Ill say it again.

If you want to make a mark.. You have to do something distruptive. Revolt. Dont want to pay truimped up ACC levies on regos... then dont! But to get it to work youd need a very very large percentage of people not paying. That means that some would get late penality notices..., some fined, hell, some even arrested. The problem is with the commitment. Its fine thinking for thought is thoughts but doing? Ppl will just fold because no one wants to be that person who takes the brunt of it.

Imagine what would happen.. just for a minute if the biking community was actually united. If *everyone* said. Fine.. make your rules but we just arent paying. Fine me some more.. Not paying.. Arrest me. Fine.. its for the cause. and no one paid. Would the govt back down? Its a numbers game.. What was the last figures? 200,000 bikes? 6000 at parliment. It was an awesome day but all they had to do was get through a couple of tough days of name calling and being shouted at and they got what they wanted in the first place.

I absoutely realise this is being idealistic.. Ppl wont ban together because ppl dont care. Its as simple as that.

yungatart - 17th February 2010, 15:11
Originally Posted by riffer

Got to admit I was not happy when I read Glenn Barclay's email this morning discussing what the cowardly weasel had said in parliament yesterday.

I'm thinking we really do need a combination of guerilla tactics (small disruptive groups upsetting their meets/photo ops) and a few big big events.

We've pussyfooted around not wanting to upset the public and I reckon yesterday was the end result of not wanting to upset anyone. It ain't going to make ANY difference if we be nice. I think we need to actually give them something to worry about. And if this means civil disruption I'm okay with that. I hope the weasel does take out of yesterday that most bikers aren't lefties and that votes are on the line. Maybe we need some bikes waiting at the airports on days he flies in so that we can shadow his crown car all the way to parliament. We need to get him worried again. Right now he's feeling ten foot tall.

On that note, John Key is scheduled to play golf in Napier on Saturday....anyone want to have a round?

As I see it, yesterday's protest was not a fail.
We said we'd be back, and we delivered!
We said we wouldn't go away, and we turned up again.
We said we weren't trout....we didn't forget that the country is being shafted.
How can that be a fail!

Scuba_Steve - 17th February 2010, 15:18
Originally Posted by cowboyz

Ive said it before and Ill say it again.

If you want to make a mark.. You have to do something distruptive. Revolt.

Yep I agree, time for a coup

cowboyz - 17th February 2010, 15:38
Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

Yep I agree, time for a coup

with chickens?

CherryB - 17th February 2010, 16:20
We need a team of people to stand forward and volunteer to share the load in different areas to plan these protests.

Volunteers: say your region and ideas, 'skill areas' (things you know how to do that might be useful, useful contacts, etc) in a PM to Bald Eagle.

The idea about laps of the city is one that the peaceful protest organisers have looked at for next steps too.

This could be coordinated around the country.

It would also be useful to find out about places that Government will be and have small but loud and visible groups pushing one message at a time, esp events that will get media coverage. Let's do up some posters that people can store in their bike or backpack and pull out if the Govt turns up.

We also need some clear messages to help get joe and jane public to realise they can and should do something. Cos the media and others aren't doing enough. And we need them to "get it". They don't want or need to be 'educated', just get across what they need to know that affects them and will piss them off/make them think.

Some of these messages, picking a suitable one for each occasion.
- losing your holiday pay (and even Treasury say that is unjust)
- losing some of your cover and treatment
- higher levies out of your wages and regos when ACC is taking in far more than it spends already.
- we're going to end up having to sue each other again if this carries on.

Asking to get:
· One levy rate for all!
· Levies kept down to what is needed.
· Our holiday pay kept out of ACC.
· Treatment where it is needed.

Stormer - 17th February 2010, 16:29
Right, I`ll try uploading these pics again...

Pic 1: The 4th ACC protest the blue Gixxer and it`s pilot have been to.
Pic 2: the Poetic Protester being shut down...the law turned up a short time later.
Pic 3: Cannot recall who the speaker was, but said some good stuff.
Pic 4: I now know this is the infamous Fat Max...the crowd loved ya dude!!
Pic 5: HA!! Sorry StoneY, no pics of your most fine performance...just call it payback for making me park CLOSER to that Harley! (A you-had-to-be-there type thing before anyone gets there tits all knotted up)

Pedrostt500 - 17th February 2010, 17:16
The Reality is that the General public in NZ suffers from a major dose of Appathy, This is nothing new, it has been the Kiwi diesease for a number of decades.
Do you realy think the Government gives a fuck if you have rolling stops in the streets of any town or city, the answer is no, you might temporarily piss off Joe and Jane Public, but they are more worried about whats for dinner.
If you want the Politicans to notice you then you need to be where they are, Find a reason to visit your MP every time He / She is in your electorate, Go to Parliment and sit in the Public Gallery in your Bike Gear. If any Political party is having an event any where turn up with a dozen or more bikes and make yourselves seen.
Blocked streets in Wellington is a bit of a fact of life, most Wellingtonians accept traffic delays for what ever reason, Manning the Baracades may serve a few romantic fantasies, but I doubt they would serve any great blow to ACC and the Government, though Knock your selves out and I won't stand in your way, if you want to realy baracade Molesworth street with your Bikes.
Our fight with ACC and the Government is going to be a long game, it may play out long beyond the next election, a change of Government may not mean a change in Policey.

blossomsowner - 17th February 2010, 17:20
Originally Posted by CherryB

We need a team of people to stand forward and volunteer to share the load in different areas to plan these protests.

It would also be useful to find out about places that Government will be and have small but loud and visible groups pushing one message at a time, esp events that will get media coverage. Let's do up some posters that people can store in their bike or backpack and pull out if the Govt turns up.

We also need some clear messages to help get joe and jane public to realise they can and should do something. Cos the media and others aren't doing enough. And we need them to "get it". They don't want or need to be 'educated', just get across what they need to know that affects them and will piss them off/make them think.

If there is interest for a demonstration of some sort.........
john key is supposed to be at patumahoe school officially opening the new admin block on march 12th at about 2.00pm

country school near pukekohe.............plenty of room for lots of bikes and banners.

Owl - 17th February 2010, 17:26
Originally Posted by GSL

A “Real Protest” could shut down Wellington very easily. Just need about 200 bikers, real bikers and not the pathetic “don’t upset the public mob”. A lot of opportunities have gone to waste, especially when about 6,000 bikers were available in Wellington last year.
Maybe I will come across some bikers with real balls at this weeks HOG Rally!

A Hog member mentioned this plan to me back in November, after the Bikeoi, which he didn't attend. A "cunning plan" involving a rather large roundabout near Wellington and 200 bikes going round and round and round. So if this plan was hatched 3 months ago, why haven't you and your hardcore brethren been able to organise such a simple task in such a long period of time?

Just curious!

riffer - 17th February 2010, 17:48
Had an idea for how to get public and news media's attention especially after seeing the naked bicyclist on the telly news (is THAT news?).

Nudity is bloody good at getting you noticed. We get a few hundred bikers, topless riding through the city. We proclaim "ACC is taking the shirts off our backs". Obviously works better if we have lots of female bikers too (although some of us have some pretty good man tits right now LOL).

I reckon we're guaranteed TV exposure with this. Trouble is, who's brave enough to do it. I would but hey I'm a guy. We need some brave women too...

Hopeful Bastard - 17th February 2010, 18:07
Originally Posted by riffer

Had an idea for how to get public and news media's attention especially after seeing the naked bicyclist on the telly news (is THAT news?).

Nudity is bloody good at getting you noticed. We get a few hundred bikers, topless riding through the city. We proclaim "ACC is taking the shirts off our backs". Obviously works better if we have lots of female bikers too (although some of us have some pretty good man tits right now LOL).

I reckon we're guaranteed TV exposure with this. Trouble is, who's brave enough to do it. I would but hey I'm a guy. We need some brave women too...

If there are other guys with man boobs then i will raise my hand for this. Also need somewhere to store my top and jacket..

riffer - 17th February 2010, 18:22
Originally Posted by Hopeful Biker

If there are other guys with man boobs then i will raise my hand for this. Also need somewhere to store my top and jacket..

Mate - most of us over 35 have 'em.

Laxi - 17th February 2010, 18:39
Originally Posted by Hopeful Biker

If there are other guys with man boobs then i will raise my hand for this. Also need somewhere to store my top and jacket..

Originally Posted by riffer

Mate - most of us over 35 have 'em.

ouch! BURRRRRN!!!

sunhuntin - 17th February 2010, 18:50
Originally Posted by riffer

I reckon we're guaranteed TV exposure with this. Trouble is, who's brave enough to do it. I would but hey I'm a guy. We need some brave women too...

i would, but last time i forgot to wear a bra, i near knocked myself out on the bumps. lol. maybe ask that pron king guy if we could borrow some of his boobs on bikes girls?

Mcycle - 17th February 2010, 19:02
Originally Posted by yungatart

On that note, John Key is scheduled to play golf in Napier on Saturday....anyone want to have a round?

As I see it, yesterday's protest was not a fail.
We said we'd be back, and we delivered!
We said we wouldn't go away, and we turned up again.
We said we weren't trout....we didn't forget that the country is being shafted.
How can that be a fail!

The latest protest was excellent, well done Stoney (and team) and don't let any negative wankers put you off the great work you are doing.

I look forward to the next protest and add my name to the support committee!

I agree that the next protest should be HUGE and disruptive (no more nice guys) in the meantime, I won't be paying no additonal ACC

gazmascelle - 17th February 2010, 19:26
Originally Posted by riffer

Had an idea for how to get public and news media's attention especially after seeing the naked bicyclist on the telly news (is THAT news?).

Nudity is bloody good at getting you noticed. We get a few hundred bikers, topless riding through the city. We proclaim "ACC is taking the shirts off our backs". Obviously works better if we have lots of female bikers too (although some of us have some pretty good man tits right now LOL).

I reckon we're guaranteed TV exposure with this. Trouble is, who's brave enough to do it. I would but hey I'm a guy. We need some brave women too...

Good call. Why spend shitloads on big screen ads etc when you get get your shirt off for free, and probably get a whole lot more attention (which is obviously what we need)