Mid-winter Coro, 20 June

[DIN PELENDA]

Ok you lot, it's been about 5 years or so since I've done the loop, can't be racing that weekend at minefield, can't afford the trackday at taupo, so the loop it is.
Meet at the Papakura autobahn at 9.30 for a 10am departure.
Prolly go via clevedon ( the hunua's are a bit yuk this time of the year ) then down the coast and across to kopu ( can meet hamiltonians there @11 ish), clockwise round the loop prolly stop briefly at whitianga for lunch, then back home via clevedon again.
As with most rides I do, everyone is welcome to tag along (we wait at the turnoffs for stragglers) so the more the merrier.
If the weathers crap may call it off, but here's hoping ....
Edit: the long range forecast looks ok
Saturday
North Island, mostly fine with morning frosts, but showery in the east and a few showers from Taranaki down to Kapiti.

The loop is not too challanging, it does present the odd hazard.. but one rides for those.. it is full of twistys and mostly smooth roading

Other then that it does not have too many supprises, if I end up going you can stick with me... I ride at a reasonable pace but enjoy twistys if conditions allow.

[QUOTE=Crazy Steve;1129252242]

The loop is not too challanging, it does present the odd hazard.. but one rides for those.. it is full of twistys and mostly smooth roading

Dude you are WAY off....many very experinced riders have suffered doin the loop...I couldn't think of a Road in Nz that would be more Challanging then the Loop.....

I would not suggest a person that has just got there grown up licence to do it NOT IN A PACK ! !

Do it by yourself and at your own speeds.....Doin it in a pack will make you gooo faster then normal..And CRASH ! !

Crazy Steve...

Erm I have read your post a few times and it took me a while to see that, you had not contridicted yourself but you have empthised twice that a n00b should not ride the Coro in a pack.

I agree as you said for ride at your own pace. This can be also done in a group situation with the right dishapline. And a dishapline that is the most important of all, that is do not outride your abilty. So agree %100 cheif. Might see you there if things work out.

Leyton

bro its shit, ruff and bumpy for most of the roads. its fast and dangours and you ride like a bitch dude. but its fooking fun tho! to bad im taking the new race bike to manfield for the weekend for 2nd round of vic club or id put on the road gear and some intermedates and it would be all on like donkey kong

umm, where in kopu are we meeting hahaha

In case you're serious, the gassy will be the place.

haha yeah im serious, never been there before. hope i can find it alright haha, first kb ride for me

Looks bloody good out there, see you lot in an hour or two or 3
For disturbed, Kopu gas station...see ya there.

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Why invite some one that "never ride loop, doesn't even know how to get to Kopu, first KB ride and you not sure if he is serious and you never talk to him and new riders or warn them abouth roads" .You never talk to us as a group on that day, we lost 1/2 riders as we left BP which have gone strait to Kopu, no communication what so ever, at Kopu I had to ask you infront of everyone which way we going......why organize the ride you should know better!DEATH INK you are out of my friends list will never ride with you again. I still can't sleep and I don't blame anyone for anything but this could be prevented the signs were there, think about it , TRUTH may hurt take as a man, I was man enough to cry next to Michael when he died.

Michael Lagore (disturbed)RIP

[Leyton]

I was not there, glad I was not, And it is not because of the company but the tragedy that occured that evening, I do not feel it is fair to point blame in these situations, in saying this I defend nobody, as their is nobody to defend.

Undoubtably this happend and it is awfull, on the same token it has happend. Everyone will grieve in their own way, goes without saying. (This thread is full of it, in direct and non direct texts)

Please for those who have to process this event, family, witness's, friends, sons, doughters, the list goes on.. . The closest understanding to why this tragedy occured is with the member who had passed. In the near future this will not be important to those family friends etc.. what is important is how we remember this person for who he/she is and who and how they have touched others during their life time, be proud. It is hard to move on, They same time heals, it is more or less true for others.

I never knew this person, It is quite obvious it has effected many by the high spark of emotions in this thread.

I expect a reaction from this post to the tune of, you were not there, blah blah blah blah BLAH blah BlaH blah Blah blah, go head. It means nothing to me and I see it disrespectfull to all those in the comunity including KB who are acually genuine and have the maturity and disipline to keep the trap shut. If you have something constructive and non hostile to say, good on you the world needs more people like you.

Leyton

[prettybillie]

We need to stop trying to put the blame. Come on guys - we all know the risks when riding and yes there probably were things that could have been done better, but hignsight is a wonderful thing. This is a tragic tragic event and all of us wish things like this don't happen, but sadly enough we know they do.

All that matters is we have lost a rider and we need to be there to support not only his family and friends, but don't forget about the trauma those brave people who stayed with him and made him comfortable in his last moments must be feeling.

Come on KBer's we are better than this - let's show support and stop turning on each other or trying to play the blame game.

[Katman]

We need to stop trying to put the blame. Come on guys - we all know the risks when riding and yes there probably were things that could have been done better, but hignsight is a wonderful thing. This is a tragic tragic event and all of us wish things like this don't happen, but sadly enough we know they do.

Trouble is, we also know the manner in which KB Coro rides are generally conducted. How many tragic events have to befall the Coro loop before people start to learn something.

[prettybillie]

Trouble is, we also know the manner in which KB Coro rides are generally conducted. How many tragic events have to befall the Coro loop before people start to learn something.

Unfortunately some people will never learn. All we can do is keep trying to push the message - RIDE YOUR OWN RIDE - and hope it gets through to as many people as possible.

[Conquiztador]

I have always in my time here said that I hate coming on here after the w/e as that is when we have time to ride. And to die.

There would be nobody on here who had wishes for something like this to happen. But it did.

Yes, the signs were there for someone clearvoyant to see:
- First KB ride on a new big fast bike.
- Experienced riders in the group.
- Very tricky ride.
- Lack of organisation on the ride. etc.

I know that all on here would, if we could, bring him back at any cost.

But we sadly do not have those powers.


PLEASE those who organise rides: There is a responsibility you carry. Take it seriously. Others will rely on you. You do have the power to limit the chances of something like this happening. No, you can not prevent it. But PLEASE lets learn from this. Lets not this go without something good coming out of it.

My simple mind comes up with a few things to consider:

Someone organises a ride. That someone needs to be responsible enough to realise that some basic rules must be followed:
- Separate riders in to a couple (or more) groups beased on experience. Have a leader in each group.
- Passing rules.
- Provide a clear plan where the ride goes. Even a simple map!
- Stops. Have them planned.
- First aid gear and a working mobile in each group!

I have ridden in groups many times. But today I do bail straight away if disorganised. If you are to ride with riders you have no idea who they are or how they ride it is a gamble. If I ride with such a group I will always ride last.

Again, this will not bring the rider back. I sincerely wish it would!

But he would, as a newbie to this riding, have expected that someone with more experience took responsibility. Clearly nobody did.

And I am not getting at anyone here. I know that whoever feel he/she could have done better already knows that.

But please, lets be more responsible re our fellow riders. Take some leadership!

[DUCATI*HARD]

ok you lot, it's been about 5 years or so since i've done the loop, can't be racing that weekend at minefield, can't afford the trackday at taupo, so the loop it is.

crazy steve is quite right. The coro loop is not a ride for new riders in a group situation

it's an awesome playground, heaps of glorious twisties, high speed corners and off camber corners, decreasing radiuses, blind corners and man it is fun.

But if you are prone to the red mist in a group ride,than by hell, do it alone and live to tell okay?

hey bitch! You not racing then? Better drag yer ass along then....

why aren't you guys coming????

haha yeah im serious, never been there before. Hope i can find it alright haha, first kb ride for me

see you lot in an hour or two or 3
for disturbed, kopu gas station...see ya there.

im glad we didnt come,,,but if we did ,,,mr&mrs d*h would have looked after you mikey&got you home to your loved ones!!!,,,ride in peace bro!!!

[Maha]

Unfortunately some people will never learn. All we can do is keep trying to push the message - RIDE YOUR OWN RIDE - and hope it gets through to as many people as possible.

That message has been kicked around here for a few years now, to no avail.
''Ride your own ride''? I would imagine that everyone does, I certainly do. what does that 'term' really mean? Ride your own ride? does it mean, ride like you normally would...I do that and have ended up on the other side of the rode on a couple of occasions, sometimes shit happens, as luck would have it, the other lane was clear...I know why I ended up in that situation and corrected it form then on. Or does 'ride you own ride' mean...dont get caught up in a pace that may be your undoing? thats up to the individual on the day, accidents happen and will continue to happen. No amount of posting the do's and dont's on here will stop that.

[Brett]

[QUOTE=DIN PELENDA;1129272047]

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Why invite some one that "never ride loop, doesn't even know how to get to Kopu, first KB ride and you not sure if he is serious and you never talk to him and new riders or warn them abouth roads" .You never talk to us as a group on that day, we lost 1/2 riders as we left BP which have gone strait to Kopu, no communication what so ever, at Kopu I had to ask you infront of everyone which way we going......why organize the ride you should know better!DEATH INK you are out of my friends list will never ride with you again. I still can't sleep and I don't blame anyone for anything but this could be prevented the signs were there, think about it , TRUTH may hurt take as a man, I was man enough to cry next to Michael when he died.

Michael Lagore (disturbed)RIP

I don't know that that is fair. The signs are much easier to see in hindsight. From what I have read of the account of the day, it doesn't sound like Mike was a noob, just that he has not done the coro loop before. It sounds like he was riding pretty well through the day and made one small mistake that I know I have made before (Braking in a corner and running wide).

Sure, maybe some of the ride administration needs to be addressed, I couldn't comment, I was at home...but it sounds unlikely that these contributed to Mikes crash.

I do feel really very sorry for you DIN and the rest of you who witnessed it and had to watch Mike go. It is not something anyone would wish on you guys. Just make sure you have someone to talk about it to, because this sort of violent trauma can mess with your head unless you are hardened to it.

[NDORFN]

I think Carver touched on some constructive advice but it was overlooked by everyone trying to throw blame around... he said "Trust your tyres". I don't know exactly what the circumstances were on Saturday, but I do know that I've seen a few near misses when riders have overshot a corners into oncoming traffic and not reacted, coming within a cats whisker of a head on. So put yourself in that situation... would you prefer to stay up and hit oncoming traffic head first, or take the risk, dig it in and lean her over, and if your tyres don't stick, slide into oncoming traffic feet first with some buffering from your bike?

[Brett]

I think Carver touched on some constructive advice but it was overlooked by everyone trying to throw blame around... he said "Trust your tyres". I don't know exactly what the circumstances were on Saturday, but I do know that I've seen a few near misses when riders have overshot a corners into oncoming traffic and not reacted, coming within a cats whisker of a head on. So put yourself in that situation... would you prefer to stay up and hit oncoming traffic head first, or take the risk, dig it in and lean her over, and if your tyres don't stick, slide into oncoming traffic feet first with some buffering from your bike?

Yeah it is fricken amazing how much your tyres can grip when they need to, much more than the average rider thinks that they can...

[Maha]

Personally I have confidence in Death_Inc as a rider and a person and laying blame on him bullshit. Its like laying blame on the Captain of the Titanic, it wasnt his fault that the ship hit an ice-breg in 1912, he certainly knew the dangers of what was out there but never gave the order to push it. That decision was made by someone else.

[stify]

Personally I have confidence in Death_Inc as a rider and a person and laying blame on him bullshit.

I'm with you on this Mark....

[Ragingrob]

I think Carver touched on some constructive advice but it was overlooked by everyone trying to throw blame around... he said "Trust your tyres". I don't know exactly what the circumstances were on Saturday, but I do know that I've seen a few near misses when riders have overshot a corners into oncoming traffic and not reacted, coming within a cats whisker of a head on. So put yourself in that situation... would you prefer to stay up and hit oncoming traffic head first, or take the risk, dig it in and lean her over, and if your tyres don't stick, slide into oncoming traffic feet first with some buffering from your bike?

I made one mistake on the Sat ride that I organised while we were on sh22. The sun was in our eyes on the way home, coming in and out between trees etc. A corner snuck up on me when I'd just come over a crest and I knew I was going into it faster than I would have liked to.

Had a split second to think, my arse tightened, I jammed the picks on for the split second I had, remembered all the advice I've ever had, looked around the corner and just leaned over, hoping the tyres would stick.

I put my trust in the bike and my Dunlops through a corner going way to fast, and ended up just an inch on the other side of the centre line, tyres didn't even complain one bit. And here I was thinking I would be right over into any oncoming traffic.

So yeah, it took a lot of effort to close my worries and just do it, but it held out easily, and I've come away knowing that my bike can handle it. If I'd be riding at my limit already though I would've been history.

Always ride with that room for error ay

[Ixion]

I think Carver touched on some constructive advice but it was overlooked by everyone trying to throw blame around... he said "Trust your tyres". I don't know exactly what the circumstances were on Saturday, but I do know that I've seen a few near misses when riders have overshot a corners into oncoming traffic and not reacted, coming within a cats whisker of a head on. So put yourself in that situation... would you prefer to stay up and hit oncoming traffic head first, or take the risk, dig it in and lean her over, and if your tyres don't stick, slide into oncoming traffic feet first with some buffering from your bike?

I've always just muttered a prayer to the biker gods and trusted the rubber. (assuming I couldn't see for certain that the way ahead was clear - it it was I'll just run over the line). They've not failed me yet. But then , I ride like y' nana's nana. So I'd expect to have something in reserve.

Bear in mind, that counter steering is not instantaneous. takes a little time for the bike to tighten up. Only a fraction of a second maybe, but at 100kph you can travel quite a few metres in a fraction of a second.