Speed and the law

[Lou Girardin]

Offence notice only states "Exceeding 100 Kph"

You lucky bastid. Better than speed dangerous.
Funny how you can get two punishments though, one from the plod and one from the courts.

[MSTRS:Me]

I first read the post abot the guy getting busted and thought 'what a pity he got nailed' but then on reflection it does serve him right for doing a really high speed limit on our roads.

And I don't give a shit how straight and long our fucking roads are the law is the law and if you are prepared to speed on your bike be prepared to get busted.

As far as going 110 is concerned, once again, I said it because that is the fatest I have gone on my 'little' bike, not to say that it was safe to do so or was it right to do so, I was just stating a fact.

At the end of the day I feel that speeding is dangerous and yes most of you disagree with me and I accept that. I ride like a nana and I accept that. I just don't see any justification for doing 160kph on our roads, sorry but that is my point of view, if you want to speed then save it for a track day or a drag meet.

Like I said in another thread I was travelling back from the Coromandel and encountered a group of riders who were riding recklessly and fast. That's gets my goat as I have my wife and kids in the car with me and their safety is the most important thing in the world to me and it pisses me off when I am trying to reach home safely and some bikers come past who are causing problems for everyone, mainly because of the speed they are travelling through the traffic.

I choose to read that with the addition of 'In my opinion', since I wasn't there to compare my interpretation of 'recklessly & fast'. I only take issue with your posts because they mimic what LTSA regales us with in that holier-than-thou way that they have, that speed is the greatest evil faced by modern motorists. It has been amply proved to my mind that speed relative to the conditions is much more of an issue than blindly adhering to someone's idea of a 'safe speed limit'

[outlawtorn]

I choose to read that with the addition of 'In my opinion', since I wasn't there to compare my interpretation of 'recklessly & fast'. I only take issue with your posts because they mimic what LTSA regales us with in that holier-than-thou way that they have, that speed is the greatest evil faced by modern motorists. It has been amply proved to my mind that speed relative to the conditions is much more of an issue than blindly adhering to someone's idea of a 'safe speed limit'

Without trying to re-enact the entire fucking thing: there were a few cars behind me and few in front, some bikes came past all of us very fast, overtaking us around blind corners and blind hills trying to keep up with each other. That to me is reckless as these roads are very twisty and dangerous.

I think you have a huge chip on your shoulder about this whole speed thing, and don't fucking lump me in with the LTSA, I have had this opinion for years now even before I came to NZ.

[MSTRS:Me]

Without trying to re-enact the entire fucking thing: there were a few cars behind me and few in front, some bikes came past all of us very fast, overtaking us around blind corners and blind hills trying to keep up with each other. That to me is reckless as these roads are very twisty and dangerous.

I think you have a huge chip on your shoulder about this whole speed thing, and don't fucking lump me in with the LTSA, I have had this opinion for years now even before I came to NZ.

Your description of circumstance would have me agreeing with the reckless etc stuff. OK? But as for the rest of it, *someone* has a chip on their shoulder alright.

[Wolf]

Almost right. It is the G-forces that come into play. Because in the case of a speeding object (read vehicle) hitting a person standing in the way, that person's body is subjected to rapid ACCeleration.

What about inertia, transfer of energy, conservation of momentum, deformation of soft tissue...?

[Mongoose]

What about inertia, transfer of energy, conservation of momentum, deformation of soft tissue...?

At the point of impact, the human mind, let alone the body, does not have time to factor these things into the equation, if lucky the minds concentrates on "Phhhhhhhaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrk!!" Or "This is gonna hurt"

[MSTRS:Me]

What about inertia, transfer of energy, conservation of momentum, deformation of soft tissue...?

Exactly what I said....

[scumdog]

You lucky bastid. Better than speed dangerous.
Funny how you can get two punishments though, one from the plod and one from the courts.

Yeah, if you don't like what the cop dished out you can take it to court, of course if you lose you get a second biff from the court in the shape of "court costs" - sort of a tax on a tax some of you might say?

[scumdog]

But I was doing 70km/h under the speed limit had it been an open road?!!

The speed limit is not actually the one you MUST travel at - just what the polies you lot voted in think is safe at the fastest for you lot - and given the stupidity that 'you lot' exhibit by voting in those polies in I'm surprised they let you move at all!

[MSTRS:Me]

The speed limit is not actually the one you MUST travel at - just what the polies you lot voted in think is safe at the fastest for you lot - and given the stupidity that 'you lot' exhibit by voting in those polies in I'm surprised they let you move at all!

So Traffic Offences are not really what they say they are - more that they are a Stupid Tax. So when will the law(s) be changed to reflect this? New, simplified infringements/penalties would be covered by Slightly Stupid, Stupid, Very Stupid, Shows No Sign Of Brain Activity.

[speedpro]

This thread shows up the attitude of those who have no experiance of high performance vehicles and their view of those who use them. They judge their use by those capable of using them against their own limited abilities and experiance.

How can anybody who never exceeds 110kph, even on a 120kph speed limit road, and whose vehicle(s) are barely capable of that speed possibly have any knowledge of what's actually going on. Yes, the riders may have overtaken on a piece of road where from the car drivers view was limited but from the riders position the manoeuvre 'may' have been perfectly reasonable. Same with travelling at speed. If you have NEVER gone fast, especially on/in a performance vehicle, how can you possibly judge the actions of those that do. Example - if you have only ever driven a Vauxhall Viva, then doing 140kph would be a high speed in your experiance and possibly viewed as unsafe, judged by your own experiance. The same speed on something like a ZZR1100 is nearly yawn-inspiring, especially up or down somewhere like the Bombay hills.

I get annoyed

[madboy]

The speed limit is not actually the one you MUST travel at - just what the polies you lot voted in think is safe at the fastest for you lot - and given the stupidity that 'you lot' exhibit by voting in those polies in I'm surprised they let you move at all!

I resent your insinuation that I voted for those bastards!

[scumdog]

I resent your insinuation that I voted for those bastards!

You mean you and only you voted for them? :spudwhat:

Nobody else on this site appears to be admitting they did!

[enigma51]

FYI dude, I achieved 110 going downhill just outside of Auckland on the motorway where it splits to go either to Hamilton or to the Coromandel. I was also with a couple of other KBers as we were on our way to the Toy Run. I also find the difference between 110 and 160 fucking huge. I have been in a car at 160+ and have basically shat myself because it is bloody fast it is nothing compared to 110 and I come from south Africa where the speed is 120kph on the highways.

If you come from sa you should be use to speeding. I never went under 160 in sa unless there it was not safe to speed. The golden rules is to ride speed withing your limit and just so that you know when you someday do buy the bigger bike we will see how you enjoy sitting at 110 when the bike can do about twice that but in a way you are right dont speed when there is cages around you they dont like the fact that they dont have a bike and therefore they want to take it from you with force.


One final thing 98% of all my crashes has happend at belowe the speed limit.


And for the dude that got the fine.... Sorry to hear mate luck was not on your side

[Jinx3d]

Gee OUtlawtorn really knows how to bait a thread.

Here's my 2 cents.

Outlawtorn will soon either :
No longer ride bikes, (the first time he falls off)
Be dead at the side of the road.

Staying alive on bike means riding with extra in reserve, How you going to have a reserve at a 100kmph when you have never ridden faster?

Most bike riders crash through loss of confidence and poor understanding of the bikes limits.
Contrary to Mr "we are too dumb to have more than a 1 factor model for road deaths" LTSA, "speeding" isnt above 100kmph or under it - its different on every strectch of road, for every rider, for every time of day, for every level of mental alertness and every bit of luck a guy ever saw.

Oh yeah, and you're a big effen pussy as well. Enjoy your threesome, and dont forget to register them every year.