'Boy Racer' laws and bikers?

[Funkyfly]

Bottom line is, if you are struggling to keep the wheels of your bike on the road, you're probably doing something wrong.

Ive never understood this "wheelies are dangerous" mentality, whats wrong with coming out of a 50kph into a 100kph and the front wheel lifting?

Its like doing skids in cars are classed as loss of control, yea right, whateva, maybe for nancy cop car drivers it is, but for good drivers you can have total control of a skid. And its not hard to tell a controlled skid from some ning nong whos lost it.

Hey copper, how are cops trained to control a car in a high speed chase? are you taught how to control a skid or slide, because this is part of any decent driver training program. The amount of cops crashing is criminal.

[spudchucka]

Hey copper, how are cops trained to control a car in a high speed chase? are you taught how to control a skid or slide, because this is part of any decent driver training program. The amount of cops crashing is criminal.

Yes, they are taught to control a skid. However they don't go around on public roads doing it for fun.

The rest of your post isn't worth responding to.

[Funkyfly]

Thats pretty subjective, if you never exceeded the speed limit its a bit rich to say you were "racing". If you did as you say accelerate to the speed limit quickly for a period of only 6 seconds I don't think you could conclude that you were racing.

Man i wish more cops had your attitude.

[Wolf]

Thats pretty subjective, if you never exceeded the speed limit its a bit rich to say you were "racing". If you did as you say accelerate to the speed limit quickly for a period of only 6 seconds I don't think you could conclude that you were racing.

Someone, can't recall who, once told me that we were supposed to only accelerate at "a reasonable rate" - in response to my habit on the old TS125 of getting up to 50km/h as fast as I possibly could (generally a lot quicker than the car beside me).

You're saying that as long as there's nothing to impede our passage we can take off like SCUD missiles so long as we level off at the legal limit?

[Funkyfly]

Yes, they are taught to control a skid. However they don't go around on public roads doing it for fun.

The rest of your post isn't worth responding to.

if you honestly think every wheelie is some kind of loss of control or reckless action then i take back my compliment and im not interesed in hearing your response.

But thanks, you heard it here folks, skids can indeed be controlled. Kind flys in the face of ticketing (loss of control) someone for a controlled skid.

Im not talking crazy ass antics, more chirping the tyres style, seems a bit pedantic.

[spudchucka]

You're saying that as long as there's nothing to impede our passage we can take off like SCUD missiles so long as we level off at the legal limit?

Do you work for TV3? Maybe you should apply for a job after this great example of journalist improvisation.

I said it would be hard to prove that the circumstances described would constitute a race. That does not say that there are no other offences that may be applicable, just that it was not, in the circumstances, "a race".

[outlawtorn]

if you honestly think every wheelie is some kind of loss of control or reckless action then i take back my compliment and im not interesed in hearing your response.

But thanks, you heard it here folks, skids can indeed be controlled. Kind flys in the face of ticketing (loss of control) someone for a controlled skid.

Im not talking crazy ass antics, more chirping the tyres style, seems a bit pedantic.

You see, he has woken up on the wrong side of the bed today!

[Funkyfly]

Do you work for TV3? Maybe you should apply for a job after this great example of journalist improvisation.

I said it would be hard to prove that the circumstances described would constitute a race. That does not say that there are no other offences that may be applicable, just that it was not, in the circumstances, "a race".

LOL, points for trying Wolf, You could get done under the new acceleration law.

[spudchucka]

if you honestly think every wheelie is some kind of loss of control or reckless action then i take back my compliment and im not interesed in hearing your response.

But thanks, you heard it here folks, skids can indeed be controlled. Kind flys in the face of ticketing (loss of control) someone for a controlled skid.

Im not talking crazy ass antics, more chirping the tyres style, seems a bit pedantic.

Little peelies away from the lights aren't loss of traction as defined under the Act. Drifting, burnouts & doughnuts on public roads are. There is no need for people to drive like this on public roads and regardless of how flash they might think they are they cannot have 100% control of a vehicle while its driving wheels are losing traction.

Come to Manfield and watch the drifters at an open day, even the really good guys lose control. And thats in a controlled environment, not a public road.

[Funkyfly]

You see, he has woken up on the wrong side of the bed today!

This is the 2nd time you have posted this today, now your even crossing threads.

Once is funny, but now its old, If you havent got anything better to contribute go back to SA, and take your scooter with you.

[outlawtorn]

This is the 2nd time you have posted this today, now your even crossing threads.

Once is funny, but now its old, If you havent got anything better to contribute go back to SA, and take your scooter with you.

hahahaha

[Funkyfly]

Little peelies away from the lights aren't loss of traction as defined under the Act. Drifting, burnouts & doughnuts on public roads are. There is no need for people to drive like this on public roads and regardless of how flash they might think they are they cannot have 100% control of a vehicle while its driving wheels are losing traction.

Come to Manfield and watch the drifters at an open day, even the really good guys lose control. And thats in a controlled environment, not a public road.

Seen the drifting, seen the carnage.

Like i think i mentioned im not referring to this kind of activity, rather the old school hotrod type skid from the lights, the ole chirp, and maybe a little sideways outta the drive.

I do like the "sustained loss of traction" statement in this new laws, that helps seperate the ning nongs, but from experience ANY wheel spin no matter how little seems to invoke the old "you reckless bastard, here comes the book" attitude in cops.

[spudchucka]

Like i think i mentioned im not referring to this kind of activity, rather the old school hotrod type skid from the lights, the ole chirp, and maybe a little sideways outta the drive.

For it to fit the boy racer laws the loss of traction has to be "sustained". Slight wheel spin and sideways drifting could still be prosecuted as careless driving though.

[TonyB]

Thats pretty subjective, if you never exceeded the speed limit its a bit rich to say you were "racing". If you did as you say accelerate to the speed limit quickly for a period of only 6 seconds I don't think you could conclude that you were racing.

My point is that in my little scenario, the biker is just riding normally, but due to the significant power to weight ratio advantage of the bike he acclerates away, the driver of the SS thinks a race is on, witnesses think a race is on. The SS crashes, people are injured, the police are called. It goes to court, and the witnesses swear under oath that the biker was racing. Surely the biker is going to have a hard time convincing the jury or judge that he was in fact riding sedately?

[spudchucka]

It probably wouldn't be hard to convince the Court that if you were indeed racing your R1 then the SS would have been left for dead at the start line.

Personally I can't see the situation you described happening. Thats just my personal view of it.