R6'sssssss Im in love.

[Coyote]

600RR is in the $20's in NZ - high spec race bike - higher performance than the 636 and a lot more aggressive - nicer bike to ride actually - rode them both back to back.

Would put the 600RR first, CBR600RR next, 636 then GSXR then r6

Argh, why have they jacked up the price over here? It'll be cheaper to import it.

I was planning to do serious racing so the 600RR does look like the ideal bike thus far. Shame that it happens to be so damned expensive over here. For crying out loud, its only 200 USD MORE in america

[gav]

chill dude, those specs are for the '05 bikes, ay? I was comparing the 03/04 R and RR, not 05. I know there's a ton of differences between the 05 R and RRs, that's why I said it way back in post 25 in this thread.. Not sure why Kawa went kazi on the '05 636, but the differences between the 03/04 Rs and RRs weren't that huge. There were some, but not as many as this year round.. the 05 is a good bike, probably better than the 03/04 as that's how evolution goes, but physically looking, the 05 has softer lines, just a personal pref, I prefer the sharper, and those who I've spoken to, most have agreed

I actually thought that the 05 models are closer than they use to be, and that the 05 636 has alot of the trick bits that the RR only had before?
ie there use to be big differences between the RR and the 636, things like the adjustable swing arm pivot, gearbox, suspension etc were all only found on the RR, now both models are very similiar spec? Is this not correct?

[bugjuice]

I actually thought that the 05 models are closer than they use to be, and that the 05 636 has alot of the trick bits that the RR only had before?
ie there use to be big differences between the RR and the 636, things like the adjustable swing arm pivot, gearbox, suspension etc were all only found on the RR, now both models are very similiar spec? Is this not correct?

the 05s are almost 2 different bikes from what I've seen, read and heard. Engines all different (the 03/04s were, but not this far apart), suspension setup, swing arm, brakes.. goes on and on.. As for the 03/04s, you could almost transplant any part from one and stick it on another, save for engine parts. If you want more adjustability on shocks etc, then you just change the backs, or the front are fully adjustable as stock. Neither the R or RR came with a damper (needs them). We should (if poss) get an 03/04 R and RR, and if there's any around, an 05 R and RR, and stick them all together. The 05s are worlds apart, but the 03/04s aren't all that far..
I know a couple of 05 636s around, but not heard of any RRs around yet..

Also, there's this site, not sure how acurate/creditable the data is, but makes you wonder a little more..

[gav]

Seen my post #57 in this thread? The two bikes look absolute identical, I can't tell them apart, can you? apart from one says 600 and the other says 636?

This is stolen from MC News Oz

Details of the 2005 ZX-6R and ZX-6RR
August 28th, 2004 - By, Trevor Hedge

MCNEWS.COM.AU - The ultimate in motorcycle news

Kawasaki’s ZX-6R has been a strong performer for the brand over more than a decade now. The model scored a complete redesign in 2003 and for 2005 the green brigade are again coming out in force with a heavily revised ZX-6R and ZX-6RR.

The most obvious change is the move to bodywork resembling that of the ZX-10R. But Kawasaki are claiming aerodynamic improvements with the updated styling and state that the new machine is the most aerodynamically efficient motorcycle they have ever made. Kawasaki have also followed the trend of fitting an underseat muffler to their supersport machine.

In the engine room Kawasaki engineers have also been working hard with a new cylinder block and head. New oval shaped 38mm throttle bodies feature two injectors per cylinder and Kawasaki claim their new shape throttle bodies free up room while also increasing airflow. In the new cylinder head reside larger intake and exhaust valves which are actuated by new camshafts. The limited production ZX-6RR race machine scores revised intake ports which are polished by the factory and combine with a new combustion chamber design and larger exhaust valves. New pistons swing off a new crankshaft which features larger main journals. A thicker crankcase design has followed Suzuki’s lead with breathing passages milled in to their design to help realise lower crankcase pressures. Other detail changes include revised mountings for the oil filter and new aluminium oil cooler. The oil pump drive ratio has been revised and now draws from a deeper sump.

The gearbox has also come in for attention on both models with stronger internals. The ZX-6R scores a taller third gear while the track destined ZX-6RR now ships with ratios similar to that only seen before in the racing kit gearbox.

Both models feature an upgraded engine management system to control the second set of injectors and also to actuate the new back pressure valve in the exhaust system. Both are equipped with a back torque limiting wet clutch.

The new matt black aluminium frame offers a shortened wheelbase with a longer braced aluminium swingarm now pivoting further forward in the machine which now rolls on a slightly reduced wheelbase.

Showa supply the fully adjustable rear shock while a revised Uni-Trak linkage promises to provide a more linear transition through the stroke of the rear suspension. The 41mm upside-down forks score a trick new surface coating to reduce stiction. On the race inspired ZX-6RR this coating is also applied to internal surfaces of the sliders.

We have seen the radially mounted brake calipers before on this model while the disc rotors have now grown to 300mm in diameter and are of the trick new petal design normally only seen on race bikes. The front master cylinder has also been improved which will be a great relief to racers loyal to the Kawasaki brand. The rear disc now mounts directly on the swingarm.

The previous machines had three-spoke wheels but the new machine arrives with six-spoke rims shod with a 120/65ZR17 at the front and 180/55ZR17 at the rear.

Ergonomics have also changed with the bar to footpeg distance reduced to closely resemble the performance based riding position seen on the ZX-10R open class superbike.

SPECS - 2005 Kawasaki ZX-6R and (ZX-6RR)

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Engine: 636cc, liquid-cooled, DOHC, in-line, four-cylinder (599cc on the ZX-6RR)
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Bore x Stroke: 68 x 43.8mm (67 x 42.5mm on the ZX-6RR)
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Compression: 12.9:1 (13.5:1 on the ZX-6RR)
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Induction: EFI with 4 x 38mm oval throttle bodies
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Starter: Electric
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Transmission: Six speed with back torque limiting clutch
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Final Drive: Chain
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Fuel Capacity: 17 litres
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Tyres: Front _ 120/65ZR17; Rear _ 180/55ZR17
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Suspension: Front _ Fully adjustable 41mm inverted telescopic forks; Rear _ Fully adjustable single Showa shock
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Brakes: Front _ 300mm discs, radial mounted four-piston calipers; Rear _ 220mm single disc
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Price: TBA
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Warranty: Two years, unlimited kilometres
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Available: TBC

[gav]

the 05s are almost 2 different bikes from what I've seen, read and heard. Engines all different
This bit from your post, are you saying the 05 636 and 05 600RR are two different bikes, or different from the 03/04 model?
From what I've read the two 05 models are closer than they've ever been but both are well upgraded from 04.

[bugjuice]

the 05s are almost 2 different bikes from what I've seen, read and heard. Engines all different
This bit from your post, are you saying the 05 636 and 05 600RR are two different bikes, or different from the 03/04 model?
From what I've read the two 05 models are closer than they've ever been but both are well upgraded from 04.

wow, that's a lot to read when you're cream crackered.. Thanks for the read tho..

I was saying that I was lead to believe that the 04 R and RR were very similar bikes, the engine being the main difference, where as the 05 R and RR had many differences..
Agreed the 05 is a huge onleap from previous bikes. It's completely redesigned bike from the engine out, so no question the 05 isn't something new.
The differences I saw and heard about the 05 R and RRs was a lot tho. The 636 was 'borrowing' quite a few bits from the ZX10 such as the farings (636 has black lower half farings, like the 10, where as the R has full colour farings), brakes ('rose' edging) and rear swing arm (shorter than the RR) etc (hard to remember without having anything in front).

Think I'm gonna head back to the shop and get the two side by side and have a real good look.. Either way, they're both blindingly good bikes.. I'd be interested to find out the power, torque and weight of the two bikes

[Sniper]

Hmmmmmmmmm, R 6 power, loverly