This scares the shit out of me

[zoom]

I am the worlds worst driver cage or two wheeler no matter how hard I try and despite MANY near misses of all sorts I am somehow still alive and kicking. Its not that I deliberately try to be bad I just mis judge things, or dont think about them until way too late. Like going into corners too fast, thinking I can easily turn before that car reaches me, just not seeing things in general. I guess my point is that sometimes your just a naturally bad driver. I just figure that if I do go down on a bike Im just taking myself out and not anyone else (hopefully) as I would most probably do in a car! Just forget about the danger and enjoy it while you can. Besides from the bike crashes I know it was not the bikers driving that put them down but a cage not seeing them and taking them out in which case there wasnt much the biker could have done anyway even with Rossi style skills.

[helenoftroy]

Ive meet the lovely Sexy Lexy(spuds lady)and she is just so keen and excited about this!

You are doing all you can Alex,to make the getting into bikes as safe as you possibly can.You asked at the party for some help and support with buddying and we will all do that..... absolutely

Im going to infiltrate the 250cc girls ChCh group on Sams CBR250R so I will ride with her!


I can see her excitement bout bikes and hope she gets as much pleasure from it as we all do

[BiK3RChiK]

I am the worlds worst driver cage or two wheeler no matter how hard I try and despite MANY near misses of all sorts I am somehow still alive and kicking. Its not that I deliberately try to be bad I just mis judge things, or dont think about them until way too late. Like going into corners too fast, thinking I can easily turn before that car reaches me, just not seeing things in general. I guess my point is that sometimes your just a naturally bad driver. I just figure that if I do go down on a bike Im just taking myself out and not anyone else (hopefully) as I would most probably do in a car! Just forget about the danger and enjoy it while you can. Besides from the bike crashes I know it was not the bikers driving that put them down but a cage not seeing them and taking them out in which case there wasnt much the biker could have done anyway even with Rossi style skills.

Girl, you gotta get a clue! Seriously, this is a dangerous attitude! Not just to you but to every other road user out there. For goodness sake! Go and get some proper training!

[Katman]

Besides from the bike crashes I know it was not the bikers driving that put them down but a cage not seeing them and taking them out in which case there wasnt much the biker could have done anyway even with Rossi style skills.

Believe that at your own peril.

As Bikerchick says, get some training.

Becoming more observant and making better decisions is something that you can train yourself to do. Your blase attitude towards driving/riding is so totally wrong on every level imaginable.

[zoom]

I didnt mean to come across as blase about bike safety. More I was just trying to make the point that sometimes it isn't going to be your fault if you do come down and sometimes unfortunately even good riding skills aren't going to prevent an ugly outcome. I know I am a bad rider, Im only in the 250's still and obviously I have a long way to go before I become a better rider. But what I meant I guess though it didn't translate was that I am bad now and the only way to get better is to learn through not going through the what if's and letting my lack of skills stop me. I hit gravel while riding out by Clevedon a bit ago and the whole bike slid out and i had to slam my leg down to stop it, i honestly thought I was going to come down. That was fine but the next time I went out I was scared shitless and it was the fear that made me ride way worse then I had ever ridden before to the point of being really un natural in corners and taking them too fast or breaking too abruptly and awkwardly, also being really jerkey in everything especially down shifting. So really what I was getting at is that trial and error makes you a better rider even if your bad, you learn from the bad and slowly start to understand how to ride at least I am hoping I am slowly learning mind you not having any time to get out ever is a major buffer block in the progress...

[JMemonic]

One of the companies in town that does the basic handling test has a deal on, $250 for the basic handling and 4 hours of extra tuition after you have you licence, we are going for that option.

Then there is all the support you have locally, hell mate you know if you need a hand there were a few folks on the development weekend we did that would gladly help out, also a certain mechanic who workshop we use for maintenance nights used to be a riding tutor, you both could ask him for a hand.

I do understand how you feel a bit, I am honestly nervous as hell about Kerry learning to ride, but excited too it will be something we can do together which is always good.

You imho have shown a great deal of care and concern in asking the question, riding will make her a better driver, no doubt there, forget the naysayers and idiots slagging you off they don't know you and by their attitudes (aside from their locations) never will.

Besides you have already given her time on a bike in a paddock so that's a good start.

[thecharmed01]

Well, from a girls point of view, my bf is feeling exactly the same as you are.
He loves riding, but me riding scares the crap out of him. He tells me all the time how much he worries when I am out on the bike and he cant see me, but he didnt ever try to stop me. In fact he made sure I had all the safety gear I needed, he picked me out a bike to purchase and he is frequently doublechecking the parts on it.

When I told him I wanted to ride, the first thing he did was make sure that he spent a lot of time with me teaching me how to ride, and got me involved in a group with a range of skills, from very experienced, to reasonably new riders so that I could learn different things from different people and not just have him over my shoulder driving me mad.
There is nothing worse than someone you love teaching you to drive/ride because it just breeds arguments LOL
Other people, who are experienced riders, are ideal to hook her up with as far as riding buddies go as then they can give her the advice she may not recieve so well from you - like the innattention thing. You bring it up and she will probably go postal on your ass, but if a mate brings it up, she wont be as hurt or as upset by it.

I think you should encourage her to learn to ride, put her through lessons, help her choose good quality gear and start her on a low powered bike - even if it is a cheap one - that she will be able to handle easily. Something she can reach the ground on and can manage to pick up if she drops it. I dont know about other ladies, but those two little things have made the difference for me whether I stuck with riding or not.
Initially I chose myself a big bike, and I couldnt get confident on it as I couldnt reach the ground (yes me = midget) and if it fell, I wouldnt be able to lift it back up again. My bf moving me to a smaller bike, was amazing, and now I am looking at a bigger bike as I have built up my strength a bit and am getting a lot more confident. So next year I will probably upgrade to a bigger more powerful bike.

Good on you for caring enough to be worried, but at the end of the day, she is her own person and likely is that if you dont support her, she will either resent you and kick you to the kerb, or she will defy you and do it anyway and probably choose gear/bike that doesnt suit her if she doesnt have enough knowledge or people around to advice her on what will suit her best.

[BiK3RChiK]

I know I am a bad rider, Im only in the 250's still and obviously I have a long way to go before I become a better rider. [snip]the only way to get better is to [snip] I hit gravel while riding out by Clevedon a bit ago and the whole bike slid out and i had to slam my leg down to stop it, i honestly thought I was going to come down. That was fine but the next time I went out I was scared shitless and it was the fear that made me ride way worse then I had ever ridden before [snip] So really what I was getting at is that trial and error makes you a better rider even if your bad, [snip]

Zoom, I strongly suggest you get a mentor and also get some proper tuition. You will feel much better on your bike almost instantly with some constructive input from a tutor.

Your posts are just frightening to read. You seem to be an accident waiting to happen. You don't want to injure yourself or someone else and have to suffer for the rest of your life because of it.

For your own benefit, get some tuition and a mentor!

[hayd3n]

Zoom,

It is said that only a fool learns from his/her own mistakes, a wise man /woman learn from the mistakes of others.

[dpex]

It is said that only a fool learns from his/her own mistakes, a wise man /woman learn from the mistakes of others.

I wish to disagree. No man, no woman, no child, learns vicariously. All learning is completed from hands-on involvement with the subject.

Tell a child to 'not' touch 'because' and the child will touch because he/she 'needs' first-hand experience.

If mankind learned from the mistakes of his forebears we would, by now, have an almost perfect society.

It is noteworthy that todays' society is repeating the mistakes of the previous.

I wonder why? No I don't. Because the answer was given above.

All wish to learn from their own mistakes, not some judgment given down from on high from a parent, lover, teacher, politician, or mentor.

Which is why, 10,000 years on since mankind got a bit of a grip on life, some are still killing, many are still cheating, and a shit-load more still can't see the value in simple and reasonable cooperation, one with the other.

[Spuds1234]

Ive meet the lovely Sexy Lexy(spuds lady)and she is just so keen and excited about this!

You are doing all you can Alex,to make the getting into bikes as safe as you possibly can.You asked at the party for some help and support with buddying and we will all do that..... absolutely

Im going to infiltrate the 250cc girls ChCh group on Sams CBR250R so I will ride with her!


I can see her excitement bout bikes and hope she gets as much pleasure from it as we all do

Its to late now for me to stop her now. She's about to be the brand new owner of a 1999 FXR150 that has less than 10k on the clock.

One of the companies in town that does the basic handling test has a deal on, $250 for the basic handling and 4 hours of extra tuition after you have you licence, we are going for that option.

Then there is all the support you have locally, hell mate you know if you need a hand there were a few folks on the development weekend we did that would gladly help out, also a certain mechanic who workshop we use for maintenance nights used to be a riding tutor, you both could ask him for a hand.

I do understand how you feel a bit, I am honestly nervous as hell about Kerry learning to ride, but excited too it will be something we can do together which is always good.

You imho have shown a great deal of care and concern in asking the question, riding will make her a better driver, no doubt there, forget the naysayers and idiots slagging you off they don't know you and by their attitudes (aside from their locations) never will.

Besides you have already given her time on a bike in a paddock so that's a good start.

I didnt know you could get extra tuition after the handling cert. Which school does it, and what do people say about it? I remember my handling cert. Hell I reckon I could have passed it without even practicing for it.

I dont want to ask for to much help down here because I know that everyone is pretty busy. I would rather see her go on the Wednesday night ride where I can ask her very nicely if someone else can ride behind her so I can go and have some fun (not to much though. I wouldnt want to worry her with some caviler riding).

Well, from a girls point of view, my bf is feeling exactly the same as you are.
He loves riding, but me riding scares the crap out of him. He tells me all the time how much he worries when I am out on the bike and he cant see me, but he didnt ever try to stop me. In fact he made sure I had all the safety gear I needed, he picked me out a bike to purchase and he is frequently doublechecking the parts on it.

When I told him I wanted to ride, the first thing he did was make sure that he spent a lot of time with me teaching me how to ride, and got me involved in a group with a range of skills, from very experienced, to reasonably new riders so that I could learn different things from different people and not just have him over my shoulder driving me mad.
There is nothing worse than someone you love teaching you to drive/ride because it just breeds arguments LOL
Other people, who are experienced riders, are ideal to hook her up with as far as riding buddies go as then they can give her the advice she may not recieve so well from you - like the innattention thing. You bring it up and she will probably go postal on your ass, but if a mate brings it up, she wont be as hurt or as upset by it.

I think you should encourage her to learn to ride, put her through lessons, help her choose good quality gear and start her on a low powered bike - even if it is a cheap one - that she will be able to handle easily. Something she can reach the ground on and can manage to pick up if she drops it. I dont know about other ladies, but those two little things have made the difference for me whether I stuck with riding or not.
Initially I chose myself a big bike, and I couldnt get confident on it as I couldnt reach the ground (yes me = midget) and if it fell, I wouldnt be able to lift it back up again. My bf moving me to a smaller bike, was amazing, and now I am looking at a bigger bike as I have built up my strength a bit and am getting a lot more confident. So next year I will probably upgrade to a bigger more powerful bike.

Good on you for caring enough to be worried, but at the end of the day, she is her own person and likely is that if you dont support her, she will either resent you and kick you to the kerb, or she will defy you and do it anyway and probably choose gear/bike that doesnt suit her if she doesnt have enough knowledge or people around to advice her on what will suit her best.

You sum up what Im trying to say and what Im trying to do the best. Why couldnt you be here at the start of the thread. It might have kept Dpex out lol. I think your spot on about things if I tried to tell her not to be inattentive and she went postal. I remember when I started riding. I would avoid town traffic because I simply couldnt pay attention to everything at once. Now I can afford to not pay attention to a few things because I either do it automatically, or they are so low on the list of priorities that I only need to check them periodically.

It is said that only a fool learns from his/her own mistakes, a wise man /woman learn from the mistakes of others.

I agree. You might not be able to learn everything that the person learnt that made the mistake, but you can sure as hell see the repercussions of not doing something and then not do it yourself.

[Simon]

My partner doesn't moto, but we've been pushie-cycling together for a few years. I don't think you ever get over the protective instinct. I have to bite my tounge a bit, but given the right opportunity i'll always try and offer a bit of advice. (Timing and tact is key!)

I think a similar thing happened between my father and myself this year. I know my folks did not want me to get into riding. But having rekindled their love of bikes at 60, they couldn't really say no...

But i totally respect him for not stepping on my goal, or trying to talk me out of it. I knew he disapproved, but at the same time he was really excited to have someone else share in his passion.

For Dad, it was all about making sure i had some good riding books/sites to read, went out with the right people, bought the best gear i could, and always always rode within myself - no matter what others were doing.

Consequently i've had a fantastic start to the sport. No scares so far, and i plan to keep it that way. Your partner will be fine mate - Just make sure she realises there is a lot to learn.

And you'll always worry about her - Thats why you're together

[hayd3n]

I wish to disagree. No man, no woman, no child, learns vicariously. All learning is completed from hands-on involvement with the subject.

all learning?
i went to skool

Tell a child to 'not' touch 'because' and the child will touch because he/she 'needs' first-hand experience.

but if the child saw another child touch said item and saw the consequences the child can observe and may learn

If mankind learned from the mistakes of his forebears we would, by now, have an almost perfect society.

define perfect it never will be

It is noteworthy that todays' society is repeating the mistakes of the previous.

society not individuals

Which is why, 10,000 years on since mankind got a bit of a grip on life, some are still killing, many are still cheating, and a shit-load more still can't see the value in simple and reasonable cooperation, one with the other.

yes simply because they are fools but not all

[thecharmed01]

You sum up what Im trying to say and what Im trying to do the best. Why couldnt you be here at the start of the thread. It might have kept Dpex out lol. I think your spot on about things if I tried to tell her not to be inattentive and she went postal.

Hehe sorry man, next time you post, hit me in a pm and send me in this direction... I'll save your ass with sensibleness LOL

(Sorry, had to be done though!)

I taught my sister to drive because I am an educator and saw the consequences of my fathers attempt at teaching her.....

I have also found that if my partner offers me advice, it frequently gets my heckles up whereas someone else saying the same thing, I listen to. Stubborn? Yes. Pigheaded? A little. But only to my darling partner LOL
Anyone else I am good at listening to LOL

[BiK3RChiK]

I have also found that if my partner offers me advice, it frequently gets my heckles up whereas someone else saying the same thing, I listen to. Stubborn? Yes. Pigheaded? A little. But only to my darling partner LOL
Anyone else I am good at listening to LOL

Hahahahaha..... You too!