Paekakariki hill 19-6-09

**SPman** · 23rd June 2009, 19:44

Originally Posted by wickle

Talking to a rider this morning who said a group of four or more got snapped on similiar thing over weekend, ( crossing centre line while neg: a large sweeping bend. Looks like a new revenue gathering method has been actioned.

If you can't keep on your own side of the road, even on the takas, even if you can see, you deserve a ticket!

**FJRider** · 23rd June 2009, 19:51

Originally Posted by Sketchy Snr

Has anyone else been issued with a video recording ticket from the 19th, i am being done for Failing to keep left. I'm picking i was cutting a corner. Is this legit ???

Failing to keep left is a legit charge. You are supposed to keep to the left of the centerline, unless overtaking. A few have been nabbed for that down this way ...

**=cJ=** · 23rd June 2009, 19:54

Rubbish.

Clear visibility = use as much of the road as you want.

Poor visibility = keep the hell in your lane.

It's about engaging your brain and making a decision as to whether or not you're safe to be in a given position on the road.

And yes, I know our friendly law-making muppets don't see it his way...

**allycatz** · 23rd June 2009, 19:54

I saw a cop actually sitting up the bank on the bendy bit halfway over the hill weekend before last with radar gun....his car was tucked out the way and you couldnt see him till right in front of him...

**nosebleed** · 23rd June 2009, 19:59

I've never heard of 'video ticketing' before...but then I'm not much of a lawbreaker so i'm not really up-to-date with these things

maybe post copy of the infringement notice and one the 'professionals' can cast their eye over it, to make sure it's legit.

**Number 5** · 23rd June 2009, 20:11

Originally Posted by Rcktfsh

new one on me, assume you have just been sent a letter from police infringement office at this stage, if so send back a request for further info such as picture/video, site report, police manuel for operating equipment used, certification for officer operating said equipment. start your letter with...persuant to the official information act 1982 can you please suppy ....

Good advice, I did the same for a speeding infringement last October, but make sure you get the dates of the certificate issued, and to what equipement it is issued for, as in speed detection equipment there are two one for micro wave (radar) and one for laser.
Three visits to court for mine to be dismissed (not guilty), as it turned out one of the officers was not qualified to operate the equipment until a month after the alleged speeding infringment (laser gun) and lots other ifs and buts as to the operation of the equipment.

As far as I can remember failing to keep left is an offence if you are holding traffic up and fail to move over to let it pass, the only other time I can remember this being used is when it causes or is involved in an accident.

If there is no continuous yellow line you can cross the centre line, how else do you get to the other side of the road.

You were obviously avoiding some wildlife that had run into the road, eh.

**dave_a** · 23rd June 2009, 20:19

Damnit why do they have to do this to paekok hill

**Paul in NZ** · 23rd June 2009, 20:23

Originally Posted by allycatz

I saw a cop actually sitting up the bank on the bendy bit halfway over the hill weekend before last with radar gun....his car was tucked out the way and you couldnt see him till right in front of him...

Yup - we saw him too when we took the Guzzinator for a berl - gave him a wee wave, he waved back, seemed a friendly sort.

Um..... Look it's not just bikes on that road that have problems but seriously this stuff has been telegraphed for a long time, stopping people for a chat, reducing the speed limits, radar traps, comment in the paper etc etc and the accident rate is still very very high. Seriously, I EXPECT to see a cop up there these days, doing their job because we (the public that is) can't take a hint....

**Patrick** · 23rd June 2009, 20:26

Without reading the whole thread......

Was there something wrong with your side of the road?

Otherwise, keep left, or pay the donation.

**Patrick** · 23rd June 2009, 20:38

Bugger it... couldn't help meself.... had to have a read.....

Originally Posted by Rcktfsh

new one on me, assume you have just been sent a letter from police infringement office at this stage, if so send back a request for further info such as picture/video, site report, police manuel for operating equipment used, certification for officer operating said equipment. start your letter with...persuant to the official information act 1982 can you please suppy ....

This aint new. Read the road code for starters.

Request for info, yep... official info act stuff, yep... but he has already been supplied with a video recording. What more is there????

Site report? It isn't a speed camera.
Police manual for operating equipment? Its a video. They come with "operating instructions" off the shelf. There is no need for a licence to drive or certificate whatever.... its a video. Sheesh.

Originally Posted by SPman

If you can't keep on your own side of the road, even on the takas, even if you can see, you deserve a ticket!

Kinda sums it up so well....

Originally Posted by =cJ=

Rubbish.

Clear visibility = use as much of the road as you want.

Poor visibility = keep the hell in your lane.

It's about engaging your brain and making a decision as to whether or not you're safe to be in a given position on the road.

And yes, I know our friendly law-making muppets don't see it his way...

And all head on collisions involve someone "on the wrong side of the road..."

All would have thought they had "clear visibility"... unless they had a head on on purpose....????

Originally Posted by Number 5

Good advice, I did the same for a speeding infringement last October, but make sure you get the dates of the certificate issued, and to what equipement it is issued for, as in speed detection equipment there are two one for micro wave (radar) and one for laser.
Three visits to court for mine to be dismissed (not guilty), as it turned out one of the officers was not qualified to operate the equipment until a month after the alleged speeding infringment (laser gun) and lots other ifs and buts as to the operation of the equipment.

As above. Its a video. Not a high sophisticated radar/speed detection device... Harvey Normans and the like have em by the bin full.....

As far as I can remember failing to keep left is an offence if you are holding traffic up and fail to move over to let it pass, the only other time I can remember this being used is when it causes or is involved in an accident.

If there is no continuous yellow line you can cross the centre line, how else do you get to the other side of the road.

You were obviously avoiding some wildlife that had run into the road, eh.

This "wildlife" defence would also be on video then... dontcha think? Funny read though, after all.....

**Ocean1** · 23rd June 2009, 20:40

Originally Posted by Patrick

Without reading the whole thread......

Was there something wrong with your side of the road?

Otherwise, keep left, or pay the donation.

When was the last time you rode that hill dude? There something wrong with your side of the road on most of the corners, even mid-summer when there's no green slime on the RH corners heading north.

**Rcktfsh** · 23rd June 2009, 20:48

Originally Posted by Sketchy Snr

Has anyone else been issued with a video recording ticket from the 19th, i am being done for Failing to keep left. I'm picking i was cutting a corner. Is this legit ???

Request for info, yep... official info act stuff, yep... but he has already been supplied with a video recording. What more is there????

Site report? It isn't a speed camera.
Police manual for operating equipment? Its a video. They come with "operating instructions" off the shelf. There is no need for a licence to drive or certificate whatever.... its a video. Sheesh.

Only mentions he's been isued a ticket, not provided with video or proper procedure for deployment hence the purpose for asking.

**Patrick** · 23rd June 2009, 20:57

Originally Posted by Ocean1

When was the last time you rode that hill dude? There something wrong with your side of the road on most of the corners, even mid-summer when there's no green slime on the RH corners heading north.

3 years ago? It's a 5 star rated ride in the motorbikers map book, so gave it a go. Rode it for the twisties.... cut the corners, its not so twisty... Why ruin a 5 star ride??????

It aint a race track.... so I believed..... (P/T)

**Patrick** · 23rd June 2009, 21:01

Only mentions he's been isued a ticket, not provided with video or proper procedure for deployment hence the purpose for asking.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. I took it as he received a video recording. There is no "proper procedure for deployment" of a video. "Hold and point, press record" is the norm.

They can be used for red lights, stop signs, cutting corners, recording bad behaviour, your mates stag do.... whatever... just to name a few.