Paekakariki hill 19-6-09

[allycatz]

[QUOTE=carbonhed;1129275827]If you're heading south it was about a quarter of the way to Battle Hill from the summit in the really twisty bit with the nice asphalt surface... It was a camera on a tripod with a cop sitting behind it taking numbers and I think his car was up a driveway.

He was visible just as you came round a bend from the Paekak side but no way from South side...Id slowed down but I got the norty finger wave

[Number 5]

All right, Mr Pedantic -the bit of road where the centre line is on one's right. Guesswork required where there is no centreline.
What about all those headons that occur through inattention, driver nodding off, taking a corner too fast and drifting wide, tourists getting confused...



So you are fine with doing a wheelie through a crowded shopping precinct as long as nothing goes wrong? Or Russian roulette...

Talk sense, are motorcycles allowed in a shopping precinct!!!!!!!!!

The thread is about interpretation of a specific law, or is it a rule as its really about what the road code says (bear in mind that we have continuous yellow lines that you can't cross, they are NOT 'no over taking lines').

The House of Representatives make the law, the Judiciary interpret the law not the police, and lawyers who spend 7 years learning their trade correct the police interpretation of the law.

The problem most of the time is the advice given saying plead guilty, and they do, even when they know they are in the right, and the pattern continues, remember it is only an alleged offence unless you pay up (pleading guilty) or the judge says your guilty)

While respecting the police and the difficult job they have to do (one I couldn't) there image is tarnished by some who think they wear a uniform and what they say is right, again let the JP/Judge decide.

Two cases in particular - my own speeding offence that went to court, advice given on here from our boys in blue - we are always right, we have a machine that says so, yeah right, a machine is only as good as its operator, and the judge didn't believe how it was operated.
Same story in another incident in the south island, but cost $60,000 plus costs(which I can't reveal here) to the ex-officer and the police .

and before anyone asks, I'm no white knight either, yes I have had a speeding fine before, and knowing I was speeding paid up.

[_STAIN_]

this is just the recent Marlborough / Nelson campaign moved further north. a little while ago heading up Kaikoura coast round tight LH into an easing RH. White van on LHS of road, 2 goons at the back of it standing on the left boarder line of the road with "their backs to me" Road is clear good visibility, so I pull a bit to the right away from the stupidity of standing on the road in a 100kph area with your back to approaching traffic. As I pass notice one of these dicks has a notebook and is writing. Oh crap that was a camera van, quick glance down 90kph.....em odd place to set up, would be much slower for average cage. 2 weeks later .....Ticket, driving in a lane over the centre line. What a crock of shit and feel it was a setup by their actions, they were not uniformed. No demerits...pay the money, not worth arguing against this photo evidence crap. Keep left for a while boys and girls....

[MSTRS:Me]

Talk sense, are motorcycles allowed in a shopping precinct!!!!!!!!!

The thread is about interpretation of a specific law, or is it a rule as its really about what the road code says (bear in mind that we have continuous yellow lines that you can't cross, they are NOT 'no over taking lines').

Merely trying to put the sense of what you were saying in another context. Not trying to suggest you or anyone else would think it was ok to wheelie through...etc. Some do the cross yellow lines thing and cut corners too...sometimes they get caught. Admittedly, I wouldn't put it past (some) cops to manufacture a story behind a photo (the photo only proves that one is on the the wrong side of the road - it can't show whether there was a valid reason)

[Patrick]

.... What about all those headons that occur through inattention, driver nodding off, taking a corner too fast and drifting wide,

Call that "Careless Use..."

tourists getting confused...

Call that... "scary shit that no one can do much about..."

So you are fine with doing a wheelie through a crowded shopping precinct as long as nothing goes wrong? Or Russian roulette...

And when are you gunna take details of those cyclists who ride 4 abreast or take the whole road(such as Akataras) and you have no farking choice but to cross the centre line to safely pass as it is impossible to stay to the left due to their arrogant and ignoraqnt road use behaviour..those fuckers dont pay rego(for their bycycles) for road use nor do they have an identifying plate for anyone to complain or have their identity known if filmed.....I dont know how many near misses Ive had had because of them.

They call that, "Get a video..." and get their faces too......

Talk sense, are motorcycles allowed in a shopping precinct!!!!!!!!!

Yes they are. Cars are allowed too... as well as buses, taxis and couriers. Small trucks only though.....

The thread is about interpretation of a specific law, or is it a rule as its really about what the road code says (bear in mind that we have continuous yellow lines that you can't cross, they are NOT 'no over taking lines').

Yes... it is a law, not a road code "guide." Keep left. Otherwise....

While respecting the police and the difficult job they have to do (one I couldn't) there image is tarnished by some who think they wear a uniform and what they say is right, again let the JP/Judge decide.

As is everyones right. But when there is film of the wrong doing, what is the point? Wasting the courts time? Judges might just notice that..... and when it is put through the courts, disqualification is possible.

Two cases in particular - my own speeding offence that went to court, advice given on here from our boys in blue - we are always right, we have a machine that says so, yeah right, a machine is only as good as its operator, and the judge didn't believe how it was operated.

He must have been given a ticket recently. You got lucky, perhaps?

Same story in another incident in the south island, but cost $60,000 plus costs(which I can't reveal here) to the ex-officer and the police .

Only cost to the Police was an employee. The $$$$ is his and his alone to bear......

and before anyone asks, I'm no white knight either, yes I have had a speeding fine before, and knowing I was speeding paid up.

So you weren't speeding in the matter described above, where you got off? No wonder you got off then...

this is just the recent Marlborough / Nelson campaign moved further north. a little while ago heading up Kaikoura coast round tight LH into an easing RH. White van on LHS of road, 2 goons at the back of it standing on the left boarder line of the road with "their backs to me" Road is clear good visibility, so I pull a bit to the right away from the stupidity of standing on the road in a 100kph area with your back to approaching traffic. As I pass notice one of these dicks has a notebook and is writing. Oh crap that was a camera van, quick glance down 90kph.....em odd place to set up, would be much slower for average cage. 2 weeks later .....Ticket, driving in a lane over the centre line. What a crock of shit and feel it was a setup by their actions, they were not uniformed. No demerits...pay the money, not worth arguing against this photo evidence crap. Keep left for a while boys and girls....

You would have a defence for this.....

Merely trying to put the sense of what you were saying in another context. Not trying to suggest you or anyone else would think it was ok to wheelie through...etc. Some do the cross yellow lines thing and cut corners too...sometimes they get caught. Admittedly, I wouldn't put it past (some) cops to manufacture a story behind a photo (the photo only proves that one is on the the wrong side of the road - it can't show whether there was a valid reason)

A photo speaks a thousand words. Imagine what a video would tell.......

[Number 5]

Copied from a police document on their focus 2008 - 2010,
4 Dangerous/Careless Driving
This focus includes areas such as:
intersections•
failing to keep left•
driving while fatigued or drowsy•
driver distraction.•
Contribution to Trauma
Intersections and Failing to Keep Left
These two areas target trauma-promoting offences such as failing to give way or stop at intersections, and failing to keep left on the open road. These types of offences are basic non-compliance with the road code. They increase the risk of a traffic crash or the severity of injuries received in a crash. They feature in the top six causes of fatal or injury crashes.
These types of crashes are of particular concern to motorcyclists. Statistics indicate that the two most common crash situations involving motorcyclists are:
intersection crashes which usually involve the motorcyclist with legal right of way being • hit by a vehicle; and
single vehicle crashes where a motorcyclist loses control and runs off the road.•

http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/...gy-to-2010.pdf

Be aware also that efforts are being made to ticket you for speeding even if you aren't, if you are doing 90 in a 100 zone and if they decide it is inappropriate for the conditions you get a ticket, Legal will be watching the outcome closely.

[MSTRS:Me]

Be aware also that efforts are being made to ticket you for speeding even if you aren't, if you are doing 90 in a 100 zone and if they decide it is inappropriate for the conditions you get a ticket, Legal will be watching the outcome closely.

Now that is a whole other can of worms. The ticket could not be for 'speeding' though. Would have to be 'careless' or some such.

[u4ea]

They call that, "Get a video..." and get their faces too......

And that would be dangerous driving or something while videoing said face and riding motorcycle .. I got hold of one of those police test books when a mate was thinking of joining...I got more questions right than her..... go figure ..