Hazzard County

[peasea]

Sorry bro, a moment of wishfull thinking.

That's the kind of thinking the general public has when lodging complaints with the PCA, rofl.

[varminter]

If the cop hadn't chased him he'd still be alive..it's the cops fault.
If she hadn't struggled while I was raping her I'd not have strangled her.. it's her fault.
If the shop keeper hadn't argued and given me the money I'd not have shot him..it's his fault.

Always the other persons fault 'eh.

[NDORFN]

1: 18 is too young for someone (particularly a male) to be driving a car that can go that fast.
2: The police officer should've called it off when the danger of chasing the offender out-weighed the danger in letting him get away.
3:

[SixPackBack]

1: 18 is too young for someone (particularly a male) to be driving a car that can go that fast.
2: The police officer should've called it off when the danger of chasing the offender out-weighed the danger in letting him get away.
3:

1. Agreed. Most 18 yr old lads are still children...........
2. Officers always know better. Apparently their collective driving skills are better as well.....how else can they get away with driving in a manner that would see the general public lose licences?
3. ..............my take on living in Hazzard County!

[Maha]

Damned if you Damned if you senario...

Couple of things left out of the 1st post....

: The driver of the Subaru WRX was pissed.
: The speeds reached were around 170kph
: The dead guy was wearing a seatbelt, but his seat was reclined to such a degree that the seat belt was ineffective.
: He was thrown from the vehicle and hit a concrete power poll
: The Subaru twice overtook cars on blind corners.

Two questions?
Did the driver survive?? no mention of him in the article other than he was pissed..
Could the car have crashed anyway given the fact that its a high powered vehicle and the driver was intoxicated?

Justice Lowell Goddard said ''the primary responsibility for the fatal crash lay with the driver of the car being chased''

And I agree....if you are being chased by a cop for whatever reason (and you decide to chance it by not stopping) and you crash and someone dies, then that is your fault.
The better choice to make at the time is to Stop!

[Indoo]

I could understand the fathers anger alot more if his son was actually a victim and not a willing participant in all this.

The 'victim' chose to get into the car of this idiot who presumambly he knew well.

The 'victim' knew that the driver was pissed, an idiot, inexperienced and driving a high powered car and he still chose to get in the front seat.

He did nothing to stop the drunken moron behind the wheel prior to the pursuit, and more likely than not he and the other passengers were all encouraging the driver in the pursuit rather than making him stop.

The ex-cop certainly screwed up and deserved to lose his job for his part in it all but the responsibility for the crash itself lies on the driver and the passengers in his car.

[Patrick]

Burn the cop by media you reckon Patrick?....you could be right., The cop still deserves demoting IMHO.

What does one demote an ex cop to... the common garden scrote?

1: 18 is too young for someone (particularly a male) to be driving a car that can go that fast.
2: The police officer should've called it off when the danger of chasing the offender out-weighed the danger in letting him get away.
3:

How does an 18 year old afford a Subaru like that?

Daddy??????

If so, is daddy sueing his own arse for helping make it happen, be it by :

- buying the car,
- lending the money
- being guarantor for any loan...

Hmmm..........

[SPman]

1: 18 is too young for someone (particularly a male) to be driving a car that can go that fast.

Good thing Chris Amon, Scott Dixon and countless others didn't know that......

[Deano]

1: 18 is too young for someone (particularly a male) to be driving a car that can go that fast.

Off topic a little but - How do guys that young get insurance for high performance vehicles ?

When I was 18 I bought an RX4 coupe - the insurance company I applied to rang my mother (oh the humiliation) before they would insure me.

I don't know what lies she told them (like how responsible I was) but they didn't give it to me off the bat.

I'm sure an EVO or Imprezza would eat my old rotor, although it was good for 0-100kph in 7.4s (off the speedo). Top speed of a measley 200kph.

[scumdog]

Good thing Chris Amon, Scott Dixon and countless others didn't know that......

I bet THEY didn't do runners fom cops while pissed and with ding-a-ling mates in a Subaru...

And mainly kept their racing to the track too I bet..

[SixPackBack]

I bet THEY didn't do runners fom cops while pissed and with ding-a-ling mates in a Subaru...

And mainly kept their racing to the track too I bet..

Pity the copper did not keep his racing to the track?

It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how damning the evidence against a dodgy copper our very own KB officers never have the balls to speak out. Is that through a twisted sense of solidarity or fear of repercussions from fellow copper-or even worse the boss.

This thread is not about the appropriation of primary blame-that is well established. The 18 year old crashed the car.

The thread is not about secondary blame-that is also well established. Without the maverick copper the kid would be still alive

The thread is about poor police practices within Hazzard County. The news article epitomises attitudes motorcyclists like myself face, attitudes that have brought the ATNR to its knees long after participants behaved themselves and created an atmosphere of deep mistrust.

As long as the sheeple keep making piss poor excuses for collective inaction we will continue to be targeted. If you are of the opinion that 'it won't happen to me' at least have the balls to stick up for your fellow motorcyclist who are being unlawfully targeted.

[PrincessBandit]

The thread is about poor police practices within Hazzard County. The news article epitomises attitudes motorcyclists like myself face, attitudes that have brought the ATNR to its knees long after participants behaved themselves and created an atmosphere of deep mistrust.

As long as the sheeple keep making piss poor excuses for collective inaction we will continue to be targeted. If you are of the opinion that 'it won't happen to me' at least have the balls to stick up for your fellow motorcyclist who are being unlawfully targeted.

Maybe you might benefit from a change of scenery and location?

Unfortunately there are some people who will attract "targeting" (if it is that and not paranoia) no matter where they are.

[SixPackBack]

Maybe you might benefit from a change of scenery and location?

Unfortunately there are some people who will attract "targeting" (if it is that and not paranoia) no matter where they are.

Fuck that I like it here.

If its paranoia then it affects a few people.

[The Stranger:Me]

Only had 4 issues in Rodney.

1) A ticket for 93 whilst towing a boat trailer - Everything else on the car and trailer was fine and I gave no attitude.
2) A spurrious dangerous charge resulting from a single complaint from a member of the public whom I overtook on a bridge. I'm so evil.
3) A certain orificer trying desperately and dangerously to catch someone through twisties on the ATNR. Put it this way, his brakes were smoking, not just hot and smelling. A few more km and he would have had none. He could have flicked on the disco lights, but instead tailgated the other bikes with his lights on full until he passed them (through twisties) to try and catch the front bike.
4) A bunch of tossers setting up a road block especially for the ATNR. We are such bad boys that they needed to set up a special op just for us. At least they got some of us drug runing murdering arseholes put away for good.

[Morcs]

Most of my dealings with said police officers have been deserved. However, their attitude in threatening to add more charges if I ever politely contest the current charge is quite disturbing.

There was the night last year (summer I think, around october?) that they had a total of 8+ police officers form a roadblock/checkpoint at the end of peak road. they had an unmarked 'sweeper' vehicle riding in our ride in the same direction, basically anyone who passed him etc.. had their number plate noted. So at the roadblock we are one-by-one told to stop and pull over. I travelled past one of the officers at about 3kph looking for the next safest place to pull over - as I didnt stop instantly I got hit around the head with one of those big-fuck-off police torches. Cars coming in the same direction were not stopped. Sweeper car catches up, and starts searching and ticketing by the list they had made.

Another incident last year - A marked car waiting at the bottom of the passing lanes on SH16 - just 3kms from westgate. He turned his radar on as we approached. He then proceeded to follow us down old north road. It was dark and we had about 10 bikes out. I decided to do a detour, and whilst in the middle of the pack I turned down taylor road. Police car decides to follow me. I took 3 turns at intersections (as usual to do the taylor road loop) and he followed me through all of them, when joining back with peak road, I decided to turn left and head to helensville. Cop followed me still. I think he realised I was toying with him when we got to the outskirts of helensville as he disappeared from my tail - but he must have followed me for a good 20km, without me putting a foot wrong, or pulling me over. Harrassment no doubt.