Older vehicles = increased ACC levy?

**davebullet** · 3rd July 2009, 16:59

http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-e...nt-of-ACC-levy

Ok - so its cages... but could they extend that motorbikes as well? We've already had a 20% increase over last year (license fee from 1/7/09 now approx $321) .

**merv** · 3rd July 2009, 17:03

I think its about time the person was levied and not the vehicles and then we could be rated on our own risk factor, no claim bonus or whatever like happens with insurance now.

So if our household currently has a zillion vehicles no matter what age and no claims, it is plain ridiculous that we are penalised so heavily as we can only ride/drive one each at a time.

The levy could link to driver's licence. Far too simple for the bureaucrats huh!

**bogan** · 3rd July 2009, 17:17

Originally Posted by merv

I think its about time the person was levied and not the vehicles and then we could be rated on our own risk factor, no claim bonus or whatever like happens with insurance now.

So if our household currently has a zillion vehicles no matter what age and no claims, it is plain ridiculous that we are penalized so heavily as we can only ride/drive one each at a time.

The levy could link to driver's license. Far too simple for the bureaucrats huh!

good idea, but I don't see it happening unfortunately. Worthwhile remembering older vehicles can get cheaper insurance, couple of firms that offer cheap insurance cos they know those with classics take care of them, so it may balance out.

**Hitcher** · 3rd July 2009, 17:17

Surely "safety" or "risk" lies in the nut behind the wheel, rather than in the vehicle being driven or ridden?

How often is vehicular failure the primary cause of an accident, rather than driver/rider error?

This is bureaucratic nonsense. If ACC and other agencies don't want older vehicles on the road, bring in compulsory emissions testing. That will get rid of many in short order. It's also more sensible than this latest nonsense.

**p.dath** · 3rd July 2009, 17:28

Originally Posted by davebullet

http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-e...nt-of-ACC-levy

Ok - so its cages... but could they extend that motorbikes as well? We've already had a 20% increase over last year (license fee from 1/7/09 now approx $321) .

I don't know, how about the $1.5 billion shortfall we have?

**YellowDog** · 3rd July 2009, 17:39

IMO - Getting old and unsafe vehicles off the road is a good idea.

However there are many very well maintained and fully resored classics on the road. It would be unfair to descriminate against these.

**sil3nt** · 3rd July 2009, 17:40

Stick the ACC levy onto driver licenses that have to be renewed each year. You can only operate one vehicle at a time!

I find it funny how the nation is in debt yet our "leader" is worth 50 odd million and we still pay him $300,000 a year but thats another topic entirely.

**merv** · 3rd July 2009, 17:46

Yep we're all mainly on the same tack, levy the licence not the vehicles.

**Viscount Montgomery** · 3rd July 2009, 17:54

The tin-pots are gonna legislate the life out of motorbikes, by 2011 you'll be applying 2 weeks in advance for a 24 hour/185 kilometre riding permit. 24 hours or 185 kilometres, whichever comes first, extra kilometres will be charged accordingly. You'll also be queuing at the postshop buying mileage at 58 cent per kilometre if requiring the over 1528 kilometre per year permits which will be issued strictly on a limited basis and if you've got any sort of traffic record, speed tickets etc.. well, you know you can damn well forget about doing anymore than fifteen hundred and twenty fucken kilometres a year on a motorbike. The opinions of the non-motorcycling public must be taken notice of. ACC'll be mortgaging your arses and regos are gonna be a standard $65.95 per month per person per vehicle per year. And anyone with the cheek to own more than one motorbike is gonna be copping some more really really steep charges on top..

**JMemonic** · 3rd July 2009, 18:28

And this comical idea makes up the so called shortfall how, every unregistered vehicle makes a mockery of the current system as it is.

Ok lets base this on the ratings system sure great idea, how many vehicles sold here have 5 stars, and here is the kicker how many vehicles on the road currently had 5 stars in their day but due to altered standards now dont ???\

ACC is working to a degree, but how about getting all the stealing useless assholes who are robbing the system blind, no more payouts to prisoners, there are lots of options for saving money, like how about every foreign visitor to NZ has to pay a levy to cover ACC, or they are no longer covered by it an have to take private insurance.

**Deano** · 3rd July 2009, 18:42

Originally Posted by sil3ntwar

Stick the ACC levy onto driver licenses that have to be renewed each year. You can only operate one vehicle at a time!

Agree with that.

Originally Posted by sil3ntwar

I find it funny how the nation is in debt yet our "leader" is worth 50 odd million and we still pay him $300,000 a year but thats another topic entirely.

WTF ? What does that have to do with the price of fish in China ?

And wasn't he going to donate his salary to charity ? Or was that just a rumour ?

He could most likely easily make more money as an investor than PM anyway, and with less stress and risk to his reputation.
He's either in it for the power (pretty cynical) or genuinely believes he can make a difference.

**BiK3RChiK** · 3rd July 2009, 18:45

Damn ACC Levies! Besides paying ACC on motor vehicles you pay ACC out of your wages and then for business owners they get stung huge ACC levies on their profits. ACC should be for those injured by someone else and all the bludgers/ self abusers should be users pays!

**scumdog** · 3rd July 2009, 18:52

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Surely "safety" or "risk" lies in the nut behind the wheel, rather than in the vehicle being driven or ridden?

How often is vehicular failure the primary cause of an accident, rather than driver/rider error?

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No, no, you got it wrong - they don't care what/who's at fault - all they care about is how badly hurt you get.

And older cars hurt you more when you crash.

**Grahameeboy** · 3rd July 2009, 18:57

Originally Posted by BiK3RChiK

Damn ACC Levies! Besides paying ACC on motor vehicles you pay ACC out of your wages and then for business owners they get stung huge ACC levies on their profits. ACC should be for those injured by someone else and all the bludgers/ self abusers should be users pays!

You are in NZ now dear.

With work ACC it's a good idea...Employers should provide some kinda accident insurance

**Grahameeboy** · 3rd July 2009, 18:57

Originally Posted by scumdog

No, no, you got it wrong - they don't care what/who's at fault - all they care about is how badly hurt you get.

And older cars hurt you more when you crash.

Older cars kill easier so save cost of rehab surely