Settling Maori claims. Someone explain.

**The Stranger:Me** · 8th July 2009, 09:12

Originally Posted by trump-lady

Havent been on KB for a while. Your right this kind of thing spurs a semi "tut tut" response but usually not one Im bothered to reply on. Guess I havent been on for a while, and this was the first thread Ive read on KB for a month or so so my usual awarness was heightened. Also had a death an attended a tangi couple weeks back so might be more sensitive than I thought

Let's face it we all are on issues dear to us.
However, from my perspective, I too am disappointed by this thread.

Despite all of the background noise, I frequently find my views challenged and moulded by argument (debate) on KB. I was hoping this would be the case here also.

Interestingly the only ones who have really helped with a Maori perspective are jrandom and Winston001.

So yes, disappointing, but it does cut both ways. Wild unsubstantiated accusations are always going to attract disbelief and derision.
People are simply deluding themselves if they expect to be taken seriously when they do this.

**oldrider** · 8th July 2009, 10:32

Originally Posted by Katman

I can't help but wonder how many of those people "dedicating their lives to defending the Treaty" are in fact more interested in the huge income they derive from the whole claims process.

I bet the lawyers involved don't ever want to see the process completed.

Interesting point Katman, did the rabbit boards ever get rid of the rabbits!

If it was a perfect world, what would religious healers, sickness healers, crime preventers, etc etc do with themselves?

Confucius said, "when you open a window you are bound to let in a few flies", such is life.

Trump-lady: My intention was simply to hold up a mirror to you for a moment.

You are entitled to your opinion and moment of free speech, just like every other poster on here.

I think it is healthy that people are able to feel free to say what they like and if anyone takes offence it is within their own control to be offended or not.

KB is voluntary after all nobody can force anyone to be here reading and posting!

**doc** · 8th July 2009, 18:22

I'm not racist, but I'm disappointed by those who of the maori race seem to keep on wanting things that the Treaty wasn't about. FFS airwaves and fishing stuff that was way beyond their capeablities. They dont seem to accept that improvements to their lifestyle also have a cost. For people that had no technology and history that was past on by folklore.

They were living a stoneage existence and were heading for extinction.

Im just your average working class bloke no advanced education and my opinions are just simple view from mixing with Maori everyday, very few of them are actually supportive of the Treaty in fact some of them shun the ones who at work claim everything back attitude, as lazy losers, and the claimant types are actually the lazy ones at work.

**Quasievil** · 8th July 2009, 18:32

Looking at the Tags on this thread I can clearly see why attitudes inflame the situations not calm it.
Wonder why Maori have attitudes? prolly cause the country is full of dickhead rednecks as illustrated below.........funny that those same people think themselves as so much better than anyone with different colour skin.

**awayatc** · 8th July 2009, 18:32

Yep......
problem isn't so much with people asking for a handout....
real problem is having a system there that caters for it....

**wbks** · 8th July 2009, 18:51

Originally Posted by Quasievil

Looking at the Tags on this thread I can clearly see why attitudes inflame the situations not calm it.
Wonder why Maori have attitudes? prolly cause the country is full of dickhead rednecks as illustrated below.........funny that those same people think themselves as so much better than anyone with different colour skin.

Of course then you can say that the reason there are so many redneck dickheads are because there are so many Maori with attitudes. Every really racist white person I have known has started behaving that way when they got mugged by a group of Islanders that continued to give them shit, or a house full of Maori people that burgled everyone on the street, stuff like that (actual examples). Maybe it's because they are the only people of that race that they are exposed to. It's probably like that for other ethnic groups as well. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I'm just saying that the reason there are racist attitudes isn't a one way street.

**Bonez** · 8th July 2009, 20:04

Originally Posted by Quasievil

Looking at the Tags on this thread I can clearly see why attitudes inflame the situations not calm it.
Wonder why Maori have attitudes? prolly cause the country is full of dickhead rednecks as illustrated below.........funny that those same people think themselves as so much better than anyone with different colour skin.

As Katman mentioned about shades of grey. For goodness sake. This is KB. Plenty here that like the stir the pot to get a reaction. You don't know who posted the tags. What a pathethic rant.

As the above poster said it could be because of past experiances. I'll give you an example- The 4 major bullies at our primary school(which went up to form two at the time) were Maori. All are dead now due to their lifestyle/outlook on life. In saying that best freinds at primary school where also Maori, their perents refered to as uncle and aunty, as all the perents were refered to in our area at the time. These expereince stick with you for the rest of your life. I was also assulted by a Maori at work for no particular reason other than looking at him at the wrong time having the rightside of my cheek bone fractured and rotated 3mm from its original position. This wasn't the first time he'd assulted someone. A fellow Maori prior to that so his agression wasn't race specific. When asked what punishment I'd like him to have I stated anger management as jail was not going to change him one iota. He got 3 months anyway. A fair sentence for permanently altering my face? I'll let you decide. Do I blame all Maori for what happened- no. But it does make you wary. Same goes for other folk that have been put in the same situation.

Another example, my wifes wallet was was stolen along with her identity. Turns out it was some Maori chick. Police finally nabbed her. Took Connie 5 years to clear her name of the shit this bitch did, overdrafts, maxed out her credit card etc. It left a bitter taste in her mouth. With her carving, and the nice folk shes met since she's finaly gotten over it.

**Solly** · 8th July 2009, 21:07

I'm not racist......I hate everyone equally

**Bonez** · 8th July 2009, 21:09

Originally Posted by Solly

I'm not racist......I hate everyone equally

Bling going your way

**ynot slow** · 8th July 2009, 21:19

Went to school as most have with maori people,the thing strikes me about educational stuff is one family had the idea leave at 15yrs and go to the freezing works and retire at 60.Another family had all kids in top echelon at school,they all had same oportunity as all,turned out to have several self employed members in family.Others were happy to stuff around,they are still hopeless.Know of one family they had twins and I went through primary and high school with them,they had euro names (Craig,Rodney,John etc)now they are TeKau...,and have taken their ancesters names,good on them,but their mum is so anti white folk she borders on stupidity,her kids have all done well in our white system.But she is ok to stay in our white hospitals which have polarised her people.

**scumdog** · 8th July 2009, 21:22

Originally Posted by Solly

I'm not racist......I hate everyone equally

And conversly I'm every 'ist' you can think of!!

**Solly** · 8th July 2009, 21:23

Originally Posted by ynot slow

Went to school as most have with maori people,the thing strikes me about educational stuff is one family had the idea leave at 15yrs and go to the freezing works and retire at 60.Another family had all kids in top echelon at school,they all had same oportunity as all,turned out to have several self employed members in family.Others were happy to stuff around,they are still hopeless.Know of one family they had twins and I went through primary and high school with them,they had euro names (Craig,Rodney,John etc)now they are TeKau...,and have taken their ancesters names,good on them,but their mum is so anti white folk she borders on stupidity,her kids have all done well in our white system.But she is ok to stay in our white hospitals which have polarised her people.

............aaaand your point is????

**98tls** · 8th July 2009, 21:23

Originally Posted by Quasievil

Looking at the Tags on this thread I can clearly see why attitudes inflame the situations not calm it.
Wonder why Maori have attitudes? prolly cause the country is full of dickhead rednecks as illustrated below.........funny that those same people think themselves as so much better than anyone with different colour skin.

Jesus Quasi at one point you where making a lot of sense re this thread but thats just rubbish. fwiw tagging seems to be a fairly multicultural thing these days.Earlier you spoke of moving on,i see its back to "dickhead rednecks".