Wet manhole covers on bends...

[MSTRS:Me]

We pay 'enough'. And as for what we cost ACC...something like half that is caused by someone paying less than us (in rego ACC).

[James Deuce]

ACC and road quality are separate issues.

[FJRider]

we should just wrap ourselves and our bikes up in cotton wool..... in fact, why even ride them at all ! just get them out on sunny days and park them in the drive for everyone else to admire......... hehehehe... sorry.
I consider riding in wet conditions a challenge of my skills as a rider.... quite frankly, I relish all of the tests the road can throw up at me. How about looking at it that way?

Anybody that considers that riding in the wet should be no more risk, than riding in the dry. Should think seriously about giving up motorcycling. Manhole covers are the least of your worries.

[sondela]

If they've got to be there, why the fuck aren't they covered with something that at least gives us a fair chance of getting around the bend without near f'kin' binning a brand new bike?
Can you tell I had an arse-clenching moment today???

Umm..where was it?
Don't want to be heading round the same corner unawares, the rain seems set to stay...

[Timber020]

Manhole covers arent locked so they dont spin are they? If you put a grip surface on them wouldnt hitting them cause them to turn as you ran over them?

[Molly]

Umm..where was it?
Don't want to be heading round the same corner unawares, the rain seems set to stay...

By the Mobil garage, Centaurus Road, St.Martins. Was coming from town and turning towards Cashmere. The manhole cover is right in the f'kin' way.

By the way. Ducati 999? What a f'kin' good looking bike that is.

[Pumba]

A voice as a Civil Engineer that has put a number of manholes in road carrigeways, and will no doubt put more in the future, ther is normally more going on with underground services than the uneducated would ever realise and it can be more often than not unavoidable.

Other councils, like Hamilton City for example, have a policy of that all manholes must be located in carriageways (not 100% sure why for fact, but I do have some opinions if anyone really wants me to expand).

There are regulations/guidelines that councils and Transit are supposed to pay credence to the siting of service manways.

Not saying you are wrong as I dont pretend to know everything, but if this does exist can you point me in the direction of said standard, call it profesional curiosity.

[sondela]

By the Mobil garage, Centaurus Road, St.Martins. Was coming from town and turning towards Cashmere. The manhole cover is right in the f'kin' way.
By the way. Ducati 999? What a f'kin' good looking bike that is.

Thanks, and thanks it certainly is

[Pumba]

Manhole covers arent locked so they dont spin are they? If you put a grip surface on them wouldnt hitting them cause them to turn as you ran over them?

A standard mahole cover is not locked down.

Good practise is to use "non rock" manhole lids in a carriage way these have three tapered wedges on the side to prevent them rocking (as the name goes), tried to find a picture but cant seem to at the moment.

I guess if a standard lid did have some grippy properties (technical term) I believe in theory they could spin but I still find it unlikely.

[MSTRS:Me]

ACC and road quality are separate issues.

Yes, they are. On the surface. Pun INtended.
At least some parts of road quality are directly attributable to the ACC payouts reqd by motorcyclists.
As regards the road fittings subject, it's been well threaded in the past. Bikers' calls have always been for friendlier paints and metal covers. Both placement and finish.

[caseye]

We don't pay the most and we don't pay enough to pay ACC what we cost them.

Bike Registration being $80.00 more than a private motor car now and going up another $60.00 per year next financial year. Kinda says otherwise.

The bulk of that registration is ACC,so, if as we already pay proportionally more considering what we ride/drive than a private motor vehicle who does pay more than us as road users and facility (ACC, Ambulances, Hospitals etc)
users?

[James Deuce]

Bike Registration being $80.00 more than a private motor car now and going up another $60.00 per year next financial year. Kinda says otherwise.

The bulk of that registration is ACC,so, if as we already pay proportionally more considering what we ride/drive than a private motor vehicle who does pay more than us as road users and facility (ACC, Ambulances, Hospitals etc)
users?

Yes, the ACC component of motorcycle rego is more than a car. Our bulk payment is vastly less than the employer contribution, or indeed the ACC component of car registration. There are sod all registered motorcycles on the road compared to every other vehicle type, but we're ACCs biggest customer as a collective group.

BRONZ can give you the exact figure, but a motorcyclist's ACC contribution should be in the mid to late $400 range to cover our actual cost to society for funerals and rehabilitation. In the 5 years I've been on KB the severely injured outweigh the dead 3 to 1. As morbid and unpleasant as it sounds, the dead cost ACC $6k. The severely injured, in some cases, will cost millions.

We're damn lucky that ACC subsidise us. A commercial insurer would be looking for their $450 plus every year.

[FJRider]

A voice as a Civil Engineer that has put a number of manholes in road carrigeways, and will no doubt put more in the future, ther is normally more going on with underground services than the uneducated would ever realise and it can be more often than not unavoidable.

Other councils, like Hamilton City for example, have a policy of that all manholes must be located in carriageways (not 100% sure why for fact, but I do have some opinions if anyone really wants me to expand).

Usually because it is policy to put pipelines in carriageways. As opposed to placing pipelines in footpaths or private land/public parks. Manholes are placed where pipelines change direction.(bends are where blockages occur)
More manholes can be expected on winding hilly streets because of this.(usually on the "racing line")

[slofox]

Wet manhole covers? Slippery? PAH!!! Let ME tell ya about slippery....now when I was a lad, we..errr...ahhhh hang about, mind's fucked again....

AHEM. Yes, what I meant to say was that this morning my regularly avoided manhole cover, in my local roundabout, was also covered in spilt diesel as well as rain and everything else you find on a road....now that's slippery!

On a serious note. Funny thing. The day there was a spill, I didn't take my usual line through this roundabout - for some reason I took a wider, gentler line. And there was the diesel spill. Which I smelled before I saw. If I had taken the usual line I would have been tipped over a lot more...makes ya wonder dunnit?

[caseye]

Cheers for the reply James Deuce,I understand now what you mean't.
Yes proportionally we don't pay as much as we could, but if ACC hadn't squandered millions and milions of dollars on bludgers etc , they'd be flush and the cost would not be anything like it is now.
Prisoners getting paid $20,000 for breaking a leg falling off the outside wall of Mt Eden while escaping springs to mind.
Still I guess it could be worse, we could live in Oz where it's approx a grand a year for rego and insurance and yes thats for a bike.