Illegal Doco on TV2.

[Indiana_Jones]

They needn't go on a rampage to be dangerous need they. This guy didn't. He was just regular nice guy gun nut too.

So what the other 200,000+ gun owners?

If one person crashes a car, do the other so many million car owners get tossed into the same basket?

-Indy

[wbks]

Think about this: Motorcycles are unnecessary. Cars are cheaper (including initial cost and lower maintenance), and marginally safer. There are also many bike nuts out there that have plowed through cars in excess of 200kp/h killing whole families and have caused more deaths in NZ than firearms. There is no absolute need for them. Fuckin bike nuts, I bet they get more pleasure out of riding a bike than a woman, they spend more time doing the former.

[The Stranger:Me]

So what the other 200,000+ gun owners?

If one person crashes a car, do the other so many million car owners get tossed into the same basket?

-Indy

Indy, Indy, Indy.
As noted many times previously.
Anything can kill you, so don't trot out the tiresome braindead ban everything argument. Cars have a useful purpose, there is a need for cars in society. There is a need for guns too. By all means demonstrate a need and obtain the correct tool for the purpose.
As noted also. Why allow guns and not machine guns, or gatling guns or hell nukes. Blowing up cities could become a sport too you know.

[The Stranger:Me]

Think about this: Motorcycles are unnecessary. Cars are cheaper (including initial cost and lower maintenance),

Tried lane splitting in Auckland traffic in a car? How did that work for you?

[wbks]

Tried lane splitting in Auckland traffic in a car? How did that work for you?

Lane splitting is unnecessary.

[wbks]

Indy, Indy, Indy.
As noted many times previously.
Anything can kill you, so don't trot out the tiresome braindead ban everything argument. Cars have a useful purpose, there is a need for cars in society. There is a need for guns too. By all means demonstrate a need and obtain the correct tool for the purpose.
As noted also. Why allow guns and not machine guns, or gatling guns or hell nukes. Blowing up cities could become a sport too you know.

So what's your stance on the current gun control? More or less control in your opinion?

[Indiana_Jones]

I'm not talking about control, I was just saying/asking how come the actions of one or two people dictate what should happen to the thousands of others who have done no wrong?

What if one or two people got caught doing wheelies and then the government decided that they will restrict the HP of all bikes because of those one or two people.

Edit: I guess I am talking about control lol

-Indy

[wbks]

I'm not talking about control, I was just saying/asking how come the actions of one or two people dictate what should happen to the thousands of others who have done no wrong?

What if one or two people got caught doing wheelies and then the government decided that they will restrict the HP of all bikes because of those one or two people.

-Indy

I agree with you, but to be fair, I think it's a little bit more important when you're dealing with more direct effects.

[The Stranger:Me]

Lane splitting is unnecessary.

Correct, but it does have a useful purpose.

[Indiana_Jones]

Correct, but it does have a useful purpose.

The same could be said of firearms.

Useful for when I want to shoot rabbits, targets or just to fulfill my interest in historical arms.

Unnecessary and dangerous to someone else.

Lane splitting is useful as it helps me get to work on time and to stop my biek over heating if it's hot.

Unnecessary and dangerous to someone else.

All depends where you sit on the fence really.

-Indy

[wbks]

Correct, but it does have a useful purpose.

So does a certain HK with a thumb hole stock. What they're doing at the moment categorizing that style of gun is the equivalent of making you apply for a new type of license for a bike narrow enough to lane split

[The Stranger:Me]

The same could be said of firearms.

Useful for when I want to shoot rabbits, targets or just to fulfill my interest in historical arms.

Unnecessary and dangerous to someone else.

Lane splitting is useful as it helps me get to work on time and to stop my biek over heating if it's hot.

Unnecessary and dangerous to someone else.

All depends where you sit on the fence really.

-Indy

Come on Indy, I know you have a brain. I did expect better from you.
Why do you insist on the everything is dangerous so ban everything argument.

Try very hard to put that purile gem away and give me some real reasons.

Ok, ok, Tell you what.
As I seem to be confusing everyone here, lets try one issue at a time eh.

So some responsible gun owner sells 120 guns from his collection to crims AND at least one has been used to shoot a cop.
I guess first thing first, is this even a problem or a concern?

[jono035]

We already have laws with serious consequences that this guy was in breach of.

How about effectively enforcing existing laws before making new ones?

Given the amount of noise that was made not so long ago about that big shipment of firearms/drugs that was found being imported, I doubt some guy with a collectors license is supply the majority of weapons, most of them will be coming from overseas. Until they ban weapons as well (lol) then that avenue of argument is pointless. Criminals will ignore the law, while law-abiding people get punished and no-one is any safer.

[jono035]

And the fact that you see motorcycles as more needed than firearms made me lol

[Indiana_Jones]

Come on Indy, I know you have a brain. I did expect better from you.
Why do you insist on the everything is dangerous so ban everything argument.

Try very hard to put that purile gem away and give me some real reasons.

Ok, ok, Tell you what.
As I seem to be confusing everyone here, lets try one issue at a time eh.

So some responsible gun owner sells 120 guns from his collection to crims AND at least one has been used to shoot a cop.
I guess first thing first, is this even a problem or a concern?

I'm not trying to insult your intelligence here.

I'm also not insisting on the 'Ban everything that's dangerous arguement'

I'm just trying to say, whether it's dangerous or not is a point of view.

And responable gun owners don't sell guns to crims, "oh but he was responable for 32 years, blah blah", he WAS, right up till the point he did that, and he broke the law and shall and should be punished to the full extent.

-Indy

-Indy