Request to give information as to identity of driver question

[Gremlin]

I think you should use this as a test case

Be honest and tell them you have no idea who was driving at the time

See what happens

The consequences of doing this have already been mentioned. The cops will not be impressed, and will assume you are playing hard ball. To have any chance of staying reasonably close to the good side of the cop, you will need to mention you have asked all those who could have been driving, and no-one has admitted to it, and could you get some details of the driver (or pic if it exists) to assist in identifying the person. Simply saying I don't know will only piss the cop off.

The advice you have been given on here is probably wrong anyway

Ur... no... it isn't.

[Big Dave]

Laws of the land V Laws of nature.

Mums cannot rat on their kids.

[CookMySock]

er, doesnt the request for information have to come WITH an infringement notice of some sort? Doesn't either of those have to be issued with 14 days ?

Steve

[scumdog]

er, doesnt the request for information have to come WITH an infringement notice of some sort? Doesn't either of those have to be issued with 14 days ?

Steve

No it doesn't Einstein, who the hell would they write out the infringement notice to???, Mr 'X'?







ps: Nice troll Steve.

[BiK3RChiK]

However I'm bound to say my main concern is that an adult, with a family, is completely unaware of the law. And thinks its alright for the family to use a vehicle but not take responsibility??

Your assumptions are wrong. Reality is far, far different from the letter of the law. As an example, last week I spent 4 days in Te Kaha with my work vehicle. Left at home was no less than 3 other private vehicles registered in my name that are available to licenced drivers/riders in my family to use because they are family vehicles. There is absolutely no way I would know who was driving any of the vehicles registered in my name from up there and they couldn't ring and ask either, because there is little to no cellphone coverage! And there is no way I am going to take all the keys to the vehicles registered in my name, because that leaves the family stranded with little to no transport. They are family vehicles thatjust happen to be registered in my name because I'm the person who does the paperwork!

Try find out what they want the name for. If no-one owns up then punish them all in some way, at least restrict their use of the vehicles that are in your name. Keep hold of the keys unless they ask and note who uses it when.

See above...

If you do ultimately get landed with it - that would suck majorly.

You're not wrong! I can assure you I'll have plenty to say about that to ALL the drivers round here!

If you can get details of where/when the incident took place you should be able to narrow it down to who it was (or wasn't).

All very good in principle, but reality is quite different. 3 different people are often at the place described in that vehicle at that time on varying days.... And as an aside, I've never seen a camera anywhere near this street or any other street in town, so I doubt there's a photo.

It's not going to be a matter of me dis-interestedly saying 'I don't know' in a blase manner. Be assured, I have talked to all the drivers about this already. I will be finding out as much as I can to ascertain the alleged situation. I do not take matters like this lightly at all! However, if it transpires that I have taken all steps available to me (aside from wringing all their necks! ), and am still unable to work out who was driving the vehicle at the time and place stated, then the answer will indeed be 'I don't know'. It's quite possible, even probable?!, (dare I hope?) that I will indeed discover what/who is involved..................

[CookMySock]

No it doesn't Einstein, who the hell would they write out the infringement notice to???, Mr 'X'?

ps: Nice troll Steve.

Not amused, scumdog. Perhaps you take great glee in making people feel small, but if you knew our situation, and how victimised we feel right now, and how we cannot talk to the police because we don't trust them, then you would be speaking completely differently. Don't assume!

Very angry!
Steve

[Ixion]

Could you not simply list out the names of the possible drivers for them and suggest they take it from there?

This surely cannot be an unusual situation? I know of many families where the same arrangments prevail, not to mention flatmates etc. No one (well, no one with a life) is going to keep log books or registers of who uses the family or 'flat' vehicles. One simply grabs the key of whatever's there and goes for it.

[AD345]

Not amused, scumdog. Perhaps you take great glee in making people feel small, but if you knew our situation, and how victimised we feel right now, and how we cannot talk to the police because we don't trust them, then you would be speaking completely differently. Don't assume!

Very angry!
Steve

Angry has 1 !

Very angry has 2

!!

[Squiggles]

So have you requested details (in order to narrow down the offender)?

[AD345]

Your assumptions are wrong. Reality is far, far different from the letter of the law. As an example, last week I spent 4 days in Te Kaha with my work vehicle. Left at home was no less than 3 other private vehicles registered in my name that are available to licenced drivers/riders in my family to use because they are family vehicles. There is absolutely no way I would know who was driving any of the vehicles registered in my name from up there and they couldn't ring and ask either, because there is little to no cellphone coverage! And there is no way I am going to take all the keys to the vehicles registered in my name, because that leaves the family stranded with little to no transport. They are family vehicles thatjust happen to be registered in my name because I'm the person who does the paperwork!

See above...


You're not wrong! I can assure you I'll have plenty to say about that to ALL the drivers round here!

All very good in principle, but reality is quite different. 3 different people are often at the place described in that vehicle at that time on varying days.... And as an aside, I've never seen a camera anywhere near this street or any other street in town, so I doubt there's a photo.

It's not going to be a matter of me dis-interestedly saying 'I don't know' in a blase manner. Be assured, I have talked to all the drivers about this already. I will be finding out as much as I can to ascertain the alleged situation. I do not take matters like this lightly at all! However, if it transpires that I have taken all steps available to me (aside from wringing all their necks! ), and am still unable to work out who was driving the vehicle at the time and place stated, then the answer will indeed be 'I don't know'. It's quite possible, even probable?!, (dare I hope?) that I will indeed discover what/who is involved..................

Looks like you're pretty much fooked then.

Do I sense a slight change in routine coming up in the Bikerchik household?

[BiK3RChiK]

Could you not simply list out the names of the possible drivers for them and suggest they take it from there?

This surely cannot be an unusual situation? I know of many families where the same arrangments prevail, not to mention flatmates etc. No one (well, no one with a life) is going to keep log books or registers of who uses the family or 'flat' vehicles. One simply grabs the key of whatever's there and goes for it.

Ahhh, a voice of reason amongst the clutter!

I have considered doing this and if it comes to that, I may take that option if nothing else comes to light.

I'm sure that there would be many other households in a similar situation (well, maybe without the request for information part!) with regards to their vehicles. Very soon, I'll have another driver in our household too just to make it even more complictated! At least she'll have an L-Plate in the window for a bit........

[Winston001]

There is absolutely no way I would know who was driving any of the vehicles registered in my name from up there and they couldn't ring and ask either, because there is little to no cellphone coverage! And there is no way I am going to take all the keys to the vehicles registered in my name, because that leaves the family stranded with little to no transport....


It's not going to be a matter of me dis-interestedly saying 'I don't know' in a blase manner. Be assured, I have talked to all the drivers about this already. I will be finding out as much as I can to ascertain the alleged situation. I do not take matters like this lightly at all!

Good to hear you aren't taking matters lightly. Just to repeat - you need to find out from the police why the question is being asked. Is there nothing in the letter at all?

If you consider your first few posts, what you were upset about was the right of the police to ask who the driver was - you gave the very strong impression you thought this was completely wrong.

Since then you haven't answered the question of how you'd react if your vehicle had been involved in a hit-and-run on a child?

Over and above all of that, some of us just don't understand your household. If any of my kids had free access to a vehicle, they'd also know the responsibilities which go with that. They would own up to being the driver - even if that meant 3 of them all had been in the same area.

Its a matter of trust and personal responsibility in your household.

If you cannot have that trust then yes, you'll have to remove the keys. Its not possible to have responsibility without consequences.

Or live with it which you are entirely free to do.

[jono035]

Ahhh, a voice of reason amongst the clutter!

I have considered doing this and if it comes to that, I may take that option if nothing else comes to light.

I'm sure that there would be many other households in a similar situation (well, maybe without the request for information part!) with regards to their vehicles. Very soon, I'll have another driver in our household too just to make it even more complictated! At least she'll have an L-Plate in the window for a bit........

When I said keep hold of the keys unless they ask, I was suggesting that as a punishment, not as the status quo. Usage of one of the family cars was always a privilege. If someone abuses this privilege by doing something wrong then punish them. If no-one will own up to it then the only option is to punish them all... Be reasonable, explain this clearly and they will understand (and you will probably find out who it was pretty damn quick).

If they 'need' the vehicle for some particular reason then that is their own fault and maybe they should have thought about that before doing whatever it was they did wrong, then thought again before not owning up to it. Walking/catching the bus for a while or having to buy their own car and pay for their own gas/insurance can be an incredibly powerful motivator...

Naturally all this assumes that it is the type of issue where they are even aware they have done something wrong, as opposed to having a complaint made because someone killjoy of the grumpy and old variety was outraged by the way they rolled through a stop sign at 2km/hr.

[BiK3RChiK]

you need to find out from the police why the question is being asked. Is there nothing in the letter at all?

If you consider your first few posts, what you were upset about was the right of the police to ask who the driver was - you gave the very strong impression you thought this was completely wrong.

Since then you haven't answered the question of how you'd react if your vehicle had been involved in a hit-and-run on a child?

Over and above all of that, some of us just don't understand your household. If any of my kids had free access to a vehicle, they'd also know the responsibilities which go with that.

All it says on the form is reason to believe careless use. Rather a broad statement which in my opinion could be anything from extremely minor to a major incident. Considering the puzzled expressions I've received from the drivers here, I suspect it's on the extremely minor side of things. I will indeed be requesting more information...

I didn't respond to your question about a child being run over because I think that is a ridiculous/outrageous proposition to suggest in this situation. I think there would be a different form of finding the information if that had happened and I think 'reason to believe careless use' would hardly come into it! I would think a visit to the station in a police car would probably more than likely be the start of enquiries in that direction, and my reaction would be akin to the situation! I also believe, knowing my family as I do, that they would front up the very day such a thing were to happen! Indeed, I think I would know by the impact such a thing would have on the drivers in our household, that something terrible had happened the minute I clapped eyes on them, and would discover the details fairly promptly! No such thing has happened, and I find your question repugnant.

Your conclusions you drew from my first posts come from your own assumptions. At no time did I state I was upset that the police were even asking for this information. What I was saying was, that due to the circumstances in our household, I didn't know who was driving the vehicle at the stated time and place 3 weeks earlier. My work/extended family often take me away from home, if not all day, then sometimes days at a time. I often get home from work at 9 or 10 O'Clock at night. It is infeasible I know who is driving what vehicle all the time. When we first offered the vehicles to our children, we sternly instructed them as to the manner they were to be driven and the responsibilities that came along with it. I think that this little episode has re-inforced those responsibilities to ALL the drivers who have access to the vehicles.

[Crisis management]

You live in a small down don't you? Get in the car, drive to the police station and talk about it to the highest ranking officer you can, take notes, thank him for his help and then sort it out.

Best 30 minutes you will spend today.



That's what I would do..YMMV