It does not seem hard to understand to me. Very common I would have thought.
There are several cars. The keys hang on a hook or such like. Someone who wants to use a car grabs a key.
As to the 'responsibility' bit, if the alleged offence (whatever it is ) involved a crash or something serious, then yes, one would expect the culprit to know that he or she was the guilty party and own up to it. And I am sure Ms Chik would have the same expectation.
But often these allegations are the result of a complaint from some doddering old fossil who has taken objection to a manoeuvre that said fossil thinks is wrong. Even though it is perfectly legal and safe. Fossil then sends in heavily embroidered complaint "I was overtaken by a drunken driver going 200kph who forced me off the road while driving on the wrong side of the road". The reality being that fossil was fossilling along at 60 in a 100 and was overtaken perfectly legally and safely. But fossil considers it a cardinal sin for anyone to overtake him ever.
The "incident" is a non-incident - so trivial a part of the driving routine that none of us would specifically recall it, or imagine that anyone would take objection to it. I cannot remember every car I have overtaken in the last three weeks. And any one of them could have been driven by fossil. I do not consider any of my overtaking was objectionable. Fossil, being fossil, might think otherwise.
In such a case, all members of the family might well be in the position of saying "well, it *could* have been me driving, but after such a delay I cannot say for sure. And I do not recall any incident that would occasion a complaint".
Originally Posted by skidmark
Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
Pontifications on personal responsibility aside, what if bikerchik had been the driver, whatever happened to the right to not incriminate oneself, or does that only apply after you've been arrested?
And if Bikerchik supplied a list of "candidates" would that meet the requirements of this act and would the Police then have the right to demand a confession off any or all of them?
"There must be a one-to-one correspondence between left and right parentheses, with each left parenthesis to the left of its corresponding right parenthesis."
You shouldn't feel victimized - someone was doing naughties in your car - You should be just as keen as them to know who it was.
But - the law is the law - I'm guessing if you dont know who it was then it comes down to Bikerchick as the owner to take final responsibility.
As for not trusting the police - Most people never have to say that - in my exp. its only people with something to hide who dont trust them.
Anyway - its easy to get out of this scott free. Heck - there is even a social group especially for it.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/group.php?groupid=55
I assume that the police have been quite specific about the date and time that they want the information for.
Even if the driver at the time is not aware that they did anything wrong, someone knows that it was them in the drivers seat at that time.
Im glad this is happening to you, not me !
I wouldn't have a clue who might be driving one of my clunkers at any particular time. They are used around the property, for odd jobs, getting chook food, milk, whatever.
Everyone knows where the keys are, and they are just third party insured hacks.
Hell, I have been away in the South Is. for a week, I wouldnt know (or care) who had been driving them.
(Although they are all out of gas...)
Just name someone you don't like, let them deal with it.
David must play fair with the other kids, even the idiots.
Update of sorts......
I went in and spoke to the Officer whose name was on the form. All he required from me was a list of the names of those who drive the vehicle. He would chase them all up from there...
On another note, the alleged incident involves one of the drivers 'nudging the bumper' of another car as they pulled out of a parallel park. No one was in the other vehicle at the time.....
So now we have to do the Police's work for them too? Next they'll be telling us to catch the burglars that robbed our homes... oh wait!
If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!
Glad you have done that and it will get sorted, it's not a biggie and as was said before someone saw it and god knows what they told them. If it was a complaint (written) then it may only be a $75 fine. . Some of the comments annoy as don't they have teenagers. Good on you for letting your children drive your cars etc,they get experience that way. Good Luck
Bev
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