What is the difference...

**jono035** · 12th July 2009, 11:29

Originally Posted by AD345

What a load of twaddle, supposition and fearmongering. The silliest part about all this is that Katman (and possibly yourself) have become what you fear.

The jehovah witnesses of motorcycling

Hmmm, I thought the point made by both Katman and Oldtimer was quite important... People who are not motorcyclists are the ones who make the decisions on what we should be allowed to ride, how we should be allowed to ride and what we should be charged to do so. Surely it is an important distinction that, in the same vein as cagers, it is a small percentage among us that behave in a reckless and dangerous manner and that we law-abiding (relatively, perhaps) bikers should not be tarred with the same brush...

Edit: A Jehovah's Witness on a motorcycle might actually have more luck! I'd have a chat to him no worries, probably not about anything religious though...

**jrandom** · 12th July 2009, 11:57

Originally Posted by jono035

Edit: A Jehovah's Witness on a motorcycle might actually have more luck!

Edbear and his C50 Boulevard seem to do OK. I don't think he preaches from the saddle, though...

Originally Posted by oldrider

Have any of you ever wondered why other motorists fail so often to see us?

It is because in their subconscious minds, we do not belong, so they mentally dismiss us from their reality and run us over!

I dunno. Based my own purely anecdotal evidence, I think most motorcyclists who get taken out are far more responsible for 'not being seen' than they'd like to admit.

It's funny how it tends to be newer, less experienced, riders who are more invisible to car drivers.

In my experience, car drivers, on the whole, try to be courteous and responsible. They're just really shit at maintaining situational awareness and understanding the physics of controlling a vehicle.

If you ride on the road in a way that requires more from them than they have to give, you will come a cropper.

**Swoop** · 12th July 2009, 13:15

Strangely enough, the difference between "hoons" on bikes and "hoons" in cages is quite evident in my neighbourhood.
Almost every night there is the sound of 4-wheeled motorists turning rubber into smoke. Varying sounds of baked-bean-can-equipped exhausts fitted to speeding vehicles, is a regular event.
Biker problems? Zero. Zilch. None.

Originally Posted by Squid

the fuckwits on motorcycles ride kawasakis or hondas.

Usally on one wheel.

We all know that Hondas cannot wheelie...

Originally Posted by jono035

Hey wait a minute... You sound like the guy who is coming up with some of the proposed firearms legislation...

Yes. A lot of familiar "logic" being shown here...

Originally Posted by AD345

The jehovah witnesses of motorcycling

Nice. I like it. Nagging fuckwits on a crusade to brainwash others. There must be money at stake. All crusades require money.

Originally Posted by jrandom

It's funny how it tends to be newer, less experienced, riders who are more invisible to car drivers.

Quite true. Not percieved as "a threat" to the driver. A happy yellow jacket assists this immesurably.

**oldrider** · 12th July 2009, 13:18

Originally Posted by AD345

What a load of twaddle, supposition and fearmongering. The silliest part about all this is that Katman (and possibly yourself) have become what you fear.

The jehovah witnesses of motorcycling

So many men, so many opinions, you are welcome to your's.

Here the pilots adage springs to mind: There old pilots and there are bold pilots but there are not so many old bold pilots!

Cheers, Jehovah John.

**Katman** · 12th July 2009, 14:13

Originally Posted by oldrider

So many men, so many opinions, you are welcome to your's.

Here the pilots adage springs to mind: There old pilots and there are bold pilots but there are not so many old bold pilots!

Cheers, Jehovah John.

Amen, Brother John.

**Hitcher** · 12th July 2009, 14:19

Originally Posted by jono035

Hmmm, I thought the point made by both Katman and Oldtimer was quite important... People who are not motorcyclists are the ones who make the decisions on what we should be allowed to ride, how we should be allowed to ride and what we should be charged to do so. Surely it is an important distinction that, in the same vein as cagers, it is a small percentage among us that behave in a reckless and dangerous manner and that we law-abiding (relatively, perhaps) bikers should not be tarred with the same brush...

It's too late. We've already been tarred. Just look at the cost of your next motorcycle registration if you have any doubt about that.

**boomer** · 12th July 2009, 14:20

Originally Posted by Katman

between Boy Racers and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

There are Car Enthusiasts and there are Boy Racers........

........just as there are Motorcyclists and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

How is the public supposed to tell the difference?

Same way we tell the difference between old grumpy farts and kill joys..