Mass medication - our daily bread

[Mom]

But if mass medication is bad, why do we have iodide in the salt and fluoride in the water. Someone, I think Mom, said they're not comparable. I'm buggered if I can see why.

Correct, it was me. I think there is a difference for a couple of reasons.

I drink water, a reasonably healthy amount a day, and I brush my teeth 2 or 3 times a day. My water is not fluoride contaminated, but there is some in my toothpaste. I dont eat toothpaste. Little children drink water, a reasonable amount of it (well mine did, we did not do the juice thing) and they eat toothpaste too, try as you might to stop them. How much are they actually ingesting? I have no idea, and that is why I think it is a bad idea. It is not measurable.

I gave my kids fluoride tablets, I knew how much they were taking.

As far as iodised salt goes, exactly how much salt do you eat daily? You could not eat enough salt to be poisoned by the iodine, the salt would get you first

I think the (emotively labeled - good point Badjelly) mass medication is bad across all counts, iodised salt is easy, buy non-iodised salt but fluoride in everyones's water and folate in all bread sold in new zealand takes away the choice.

Its the lack of choice thats the issue i reckon.

...everyone should get the choice to take medication or not.

And therein lies the whole reason for my thread, we should be able to choose.

Emotive way to put a subject I agree

[nosebleed]

You know I cringe every time I read 'flouride tablets'.
Was force-fed those fuckers as a kid, we hated them, taste and texture of chalk.

Grew up in Morrinsville (don't know about the water treatment there/then, was only concerned about riding bikes and climbing trees) then we moved over to Waiheke, definately tank water (know that because a huge concrete water tank is hard to miss even for a kid) didn't know of any other kids getting them - unfortunatley(?) dad is 'in the trade' so there was no escape.

[Usarka]

Flacid acid gets destroyed by the cooking process anyways. Dumb labour bean lickers.

[speedpro]

Did you know:
1) More than 98 percent of convicted criminals are bread eaters!
2) Exactly half of all children who grow up in bread - eating households score in the bottom 50% on standardized IQ tests!
3) In the 19th century, when virtually all bread was baked in the home, the average life expectancy was less than 55 years; infant mortality rates were unacceptably high; many women died in childbirth; and diseases such as typhoid, scarlet fever, smallpox and influenza ravaged entire nations!
4) Statistics show that more than 75 % of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread!
5) Bread is made from a substance called "dough." Researchers have proven that as little as one pound of dough can choke a large animal like a horse. The average person eats more bread than that in one month!
6) Bread is known to be extremely addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water actually begged for bread after just two days!
7) Bread is a "gateway" food item, which usually leads to such items as butter, jam, peanut butter and even ... bacon !
8) Bread has been proven to kill. Scientists have now uncovered alarming evidence that 100% of the people who eat bread will eventually die!
9) Unattended newborn babies can choke on bread!
10) Bread is baked at temperatures as high as 425 degrees Fahrenheit! Don't laugh...that kind of heat can kill a full grown adult in less than five minutes.
11) 96 % of cancer victims eventually admit that they've eaten bread!


12) Sadly, 9 out of 10 bread eaters are unable to distinguish between significant scientific fact and meaningless statistical babbling.


Obviously bread should be R18 and restricted as per cigarettes or alcohol.

[Brownstoo]

Seriously? I mean for real? How is that even fucking legal?
Fuck it I'm going back to the third world. At least there's choice there!
Or I'll just stop eating bread... Plenty of other food out there!

But if mass medication is bad, why do we have iodide in the salt and fluoride in the water. Someone, I think Mom, said they're not comparable. I'm buggered if I can see why

Iodide is because people had big fuckoff goiters growing on their necks without it
flouride is for shiny teeth!

[jono035]

Or I'll just stop eating bread... Plenty of other food out there!

First they came for the Bread and I did not speak up, because I did not eat Bread....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

[Ixion]

Hey, is pasta going to be dosed? Presumably not, since we are not going down the Oz route of dosing the flour. I'm turning Pastafarian.

[Rodney007]

relax guys, just make your own bread FFS,

[Shadows]

It will actually be added to the ingredients by the ingredient manufacturer

Not workable. It would need to be added by the baker.

Different doughs require different ratios of ingredients - therefore all ingredients in the market, irrespective of supplier, that could ever be used to make a loaf of bread would need to be fortified by the same percentage for your scenario to work in a land where they state 11 slices of bread contains the correct "dose".

I can't see that happening!

[Forest]

Not workable. It would need to be added by the baker.

Different doughs require different ratios of ingredients - therefore all ingredients in the market, irrespective of supplier, that could ever be used to make a loaf of bread would need to be fortified by the same percentage for your scenario to work in a land where they state 11 slices of bread contains the correct "dose".

I can't see that happening!

There is no "dose". The folate in the bread will supplement the folate that you are already ingesting from other sources.

[jono035]

Not workable. It would need to be added by the baker.

Different doughs require different ratios of ingredients - therefore all ingredients in the market, irrespective of supplier, that could ever be used to make a loaf of bread would need to be fortified by the same percentage for your scenario to work in a land where they state 11 slices of bread contains the correct "dose".

I can't see that happening!

Every baker they've talked to is stating that the dosages will vary wildly already and someone earlier said that they put it in flour already in Aus.

Besides, what you're talking about is LOGICAL, therefore the government will automatically be scared of it and do the opposite

Hey, is pasta going to be dosed? Presumably not, since we are not going down the Oz route of dosing the flour. I'm turning Pastafarian.

Then they came for our Pasta and I did not speak up because I did not eat Pasta...

[Rodney007]

they will just increase the current FOLATE added to water,

they wont make you eat 11 slices of bread a day.

they say this stuff to give the media a boost when its lacking,

and to bringout the SCIENTISTS and dietician's all over the NET,

and from what i'v read theres a SHIT LOAD on this forum,

[AD345]

Not workable. It would need to be added by the baker.

Different doughs require different ratios of ingredients - therefore all ingredients in the market, irrespective of supplier, that could ever be used to make a loaf of bread would need to be fortified by the same percentage for your scenario to work in a land where they state 11 slices of bread contains the correct "dose".

I can't see that happening!

Sorry mate but thats what is going to happen. Folic acid will be added to the improver by the ingredients manufacturer. It will not be a separate additive - at least as far as the two main bread manufacturers go.

I know this from 23 years in the industry and being part of the planning for this change

[Ixion]

Not workable. It would need to be added by the baker.

Different doughs require different ratios of ingredients - therefore all ingredients in the market, irrespective of supplier, that could ever be used to make a loaf of bread would need to be fortified by the same percentage for your scenario to work in a land where they state 11 slices of bread contains the correct "dose".

I can't see that happening!

I don't think it would work like that

The ingredient premix used by large bakers is added to a batch of bread on the basis of X amount of ingredient mix per Y kilo of dough (or per mixing bowl full). So , since a kilo of premix will make a known weight of bread, it would be simple to calculate the amount of folate needed to be added to the premix. The bakers would only need to adjust the amount of ingredient mix added to allow for the extra weight of folate.

This would be a fairly accurate measure.

But small boutique bakeries making bread "by eye" , the amount would be more likely to be "a handful and two large pinches". All over the place.

[AD345]

I don't think it would work like that

The ingredient premix used by large bakers is added to a batch of bread on the basis of X amount of ingredient mix per Y kilo of dough (or per mixing bowl full). So , since a kilo of premix will make a known weight of bread, it would be simple to calculate the amount of folate needed to be added to the premix. The bakers would only need to adjust the amount of ingredient mix added to allow for the extra weight of folate.

This would be a fairly accurate measure.

But small boutique bakeries making bread "by eye" , the amount would be more likely to be "a handful and two large pinches". All over the place.

Ingredients are actually added as a percentage of total cereal weight but your logic is sound.