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    Chain And Sprocket Thread - HUGE Read But Worth It

    Ok, you asked for it ... grab a crate, some sausages and a pillow

    This is from an engineer and NOT me, I am not that cleva to work this shit out, the ultimate info from this is you are better to run uneven numbered sprockets front and rear and a larger front sprocket places a lot less anger on your chain.

    read on.....

    14-Tooth vs. 15-Tooth Front Sprocket Wear
    For (say) a 96-link chain ...
    A 15-tooth front sprocket will contact the same chain link every 32 revolutions. 15 x 32 = 480 links ÷96 = every 5 chain revolutions.
    A 14-tooth front sprocket will contact the same chain link every 48 revolutions. 14 x 48 = 672 ÷96 = every 7 chain revolutions.
    With the same rear sprocket and at the same road speed, the 14-tooth sprocket and the 15-tooth sprocket both contact the same number of chain links per unit time.
    So for example, for every 35 chain revolutions, the 15 tooth sprocket contacts the same link 7 times and the 14-tooth sprocket contacts the same link 5 times.
    If we assume that there is a defect on one of the front sprocket teeth (or a particular chain link) that can cause abnormal wear to the same chain link (or sprocket tooth) when contacted over and over again, the 14-tooth sprocket would actually result in (7-5)/7 = 29% LESS defect-related wear than a 15-tooth sprocket.
    However, for the same 35 chain revolutions, the 15-tooth sprocket rotates 224 times and the 14-tooth sprocket rotates 240 times so the 14 tooth sprocket (and the chain) would see (240-224)/240 = 7% MORE continuous wear than a 15-tooth sprocket.

    Odd vs. Even Sprocket Teeth Wear Pattern
    For reduced wear to the sides of the sprocket teeth, it’s better to run odd-numbered tooth sprockets, front and rear. Here’s why.
    A chain alternates its links inside-outside such that side-to-side chain positioning is controlled by contact between a sprocket's teeth and the inside links. Because a chain always has an even number of links, each tooth on an even number-tooth sprocket will always contact either an inside link or an outside link. Each tooth on an odd number-tooth sprocket will alternate between inside and outside links that gives a uniform wear pattern to the sides of the sprocket.
    Of course, this really isn't a significant problem with steel sprockets, so Ducati uses a 14-tooth front sprocket on some models. Even-tooth rear sprockets are standard on a number of models. However, if you intend to replace your sprockets with aluminum which is a lighter, but softer material, accelerated sprocket wear will be a consideration.
    But who cares? A little wear on the sides of a sprocket doesn't significantly affect chain engagement.
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    Wear to the face of the tooth is the reason for using a hunting tooth when meshing two gears. When you have a chain-driven sprocket instead of gear-to-gear contact, the wear issue becomes avoiding the same teeth on the sprockets repeatedly meshing with the same links on the chain.

    How often the same tooth meshes with the same link can be calculated by comparing the number of teeth on each sprocket to the number of links in the chain.
    The first step is to factor the number of teeth and links into prime numbers. Here’s some common results:
    Front Sprockets
    14 tooth - factors: 7x2
    15 tooth - factors: 5x3
    Rear Sprockets
    36 tooth - factors: 3x3x2x2
    37 tooth - factors: 37
    38 tooth - factors: 19x2
    39 tooth - factors: 39
    40 tooth - factors: 5x2x2x2
    41 tooth - factors: 41
    42 tooth - factors: 7x3x2
    43 tooth - factors: 43
    44 tooth - factors: 11x2x2
    45 tooth - factors: 5x3x3
    Chain Links
    94 links - factors: 47x2
    96 links - factors: 3x2x2x2x2x2
    98 links - factors: 7x7x2
    Two numbers are defined as relatively prime if they have no common factors. The front sprocket/chain combinations from above that are relatively prime are:
    15 tooth front - 94 link chain, 98 link chain
    The sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 15 turns of the chain and 94 or 98 turns of the sprocket respectively.
    14 Tooth front - none of the combinations are relatively prime. If the two numbers aren't relatively prime, then the number of turns will be divided by the common factors. For example:
    14 tooth front - 94 link chain
    Here, 14 (7x2) and 94 (47x2) have the common factor of 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 7 turns of the chain and 47 turns of the sprocket.
    14 tooth front - 96 link chain
    Here, 14 (7x2) and 96 (48x2) have the common factor of 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 7 turns of the chain and 3 turns of the sprocket.
    14 tooth front - 98 link chain
    Here, 14 (7x2) and 98 (7x7x2) have the common factors of 2 and 7. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every turn of the chain and 7 turns of the sprocket. Not very good for wear.
    The rear sprocket/chain combinations are computed separately, the same way as for the front. Here’s the result for combinations that are commonly used:
    36 tooth rear (18x2) - 94 link chain (47x2)
    Here, the common factor is 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 18 turns of the chain and 47 turns of the sprocket.
    38 tooth rear (19x2) - 94 link chain (47x2)
    Here, the common factor is 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 19 turns of the chain and 47 turns of the sprocket.
    38 tooth rear (19x2) - 96 link chain (48x2)
    Here, the common factor is 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 19 turns of the chain and 48 turns of the sprocket.
    40 tooth rear (5x2x2x2) - 96 link chain (12x2x2x2)
    Here, the common factor is 2x2x2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 5 turns of the chain and 12 turns of the sprocket.
    42 tooth rear (21x2) - 96 link chain (48x2)
    Here, the common factor is 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 21 turns of the chain and 48 turns of the sprocket.
    42 tooth rear (21x2) - 98 link chain (49x2)
    Here, the common factor is 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 21 turns of the chain and 49 turns of the sprocket.
    44 tooth rear (22x2) - 98 link chain (49x2)
    Here, the common factor is 2. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 22 turns of the chain and 49 turns of the sprocket.
    45 tooth rear (5x3x3) - 98 link chain (49x2)
    No common factors. Consequently, the sprocket and chain will meet at the same spot every 98 turns of the chain and 45 turns of the sprocket.
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    Good reading.

    It's not tooth wear that worries me with my bikes.
    Yes they're worn but it's chain roller/pin wear/chain stretch type issues.

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    A 15-tooth front sprocket will contact the same chain link every 32 revolutions. 15 x 32 = 480 links ÷96 = every 5 chain revolutions.
    A 14-tooth front sprocket will contact the same chain link every 48 revolutions. 14 x 48 = 672 ÷96 = every 7 chain revolutions.
    Every link of my chain contacts the sprocket every revolution. None get missed at all?

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    Interesting read although sprocket wear is a thing of the past really since fitting Supersprox ones,damn things just dont wear out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 98tls View Post
    Interesting read although sprocket wear is a thing of the past really since fitting Supersprox ones,damn things just dont wear out.
    Wonder if they do any for the DR650?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    Wonder if they do any for the DR650?
    Have a read through here mate,i posted a link to there site with listings,if theres one for a DR find the Aussie distributor.http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ght=supersprox
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthrax View Post
    Every link of my chain contacts the sprocket every revolution. None get missed at all?
    Yes, but the same tooth only goes through the same link every x times.

    E.g the 14th tooth on the sprocket only goes through the 100th link in the chain every 7th revolution, the other 6 revolutions the 14th tooth goes through a different link.
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    yea and what? who cares if you need to go fast you pay the price

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    Yeah I know but I've never had sprocket with just one damaged tooth in over a hundred thousand k's or more of riding. It's easy to look after and inspect a chain and sprockets and replace them before the wear gets too great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthrax View Post
    Yeah I know but I've never had sprocket with just one damaged tooth in over a hundred thousand k's or more of riding. It's easy to look after and inspect a chain and sprockets and replace them before the wear gets too great.
    but if you race you need to have the perfect gearing and not worry about the wear life, thats why you use a 520 chain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    but if you race you need to have the perfect gearing and not worry about the wear life, thats why you use a 520 chain
    If you race you'd replace your sponsored chain very frequently. Proper race chains while strong and light don't last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthrax View Post
    If you race you'd replace your sponsored chain very frequently. Proper race chains while strong and light don't last.
    bro hardly anyone gets free anything,
    they all say there sponsered but its realy only suport, and thats from the wholesalers and anyone can get that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    bro hardly anyone gets free anything,
    they all say there sponsered but its realy only suport, and thats from the wholesalers and anyone can get that
    I didn't say free, I said sponsored. Sponsored does not equal free. Still a serious racer will not race with a fucked chain or sprockets. Comes down to preparation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    yea and what? who cares if you need to go fast you pay the price
    I just want a chain to last longer than the 8,500km and 19,000km I got from my last 2.

    The big singles are hard on chains.
    The DR650 is the only(?) one that comes with a 525 however as the rest use 520.

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    At the end of the day for me, an average joe rider, to elongate the chain and sprocket life through better combos can only be good, also not really mentioned here is the benefit of larger front sprocket which will introduce a lot less heat into the chain again helping the life again.

    All good fun and my sponsor who looks very much like me is dutchie when it come to making things last.
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