In all seriousness, i have to wonder how you passed your test. if you don;t look over your shoulder when over taking, going past on ramps etc then your a statistic waiting to happen....Originally Posted by shrub
dude.. seriously.
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In all seriousness, i have to wonder how you passed your test. if you don;t look over your shoulder when over taking, going past on ramps etc then your a statistic waiting to happen....
dude.. seriously.
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The instructions are simple...
The Road Code also says car drivers should head check. Admittedly, on some bikes, a headcheck is not an easy thing. But the mirrors do not show the whole picture, and you shouldn't be relying on them.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Whip it, whip it good!
There are none so blind as those that see.
A very quick turn of your head before committing to any manouver that sees you change your position on the road is basic common sense. After all we teach our kids to look right, then left, then right again before they venture out on the road. Mirrors are useless.
Recovered workaholic.
Your hole is getting awfully deep there, digger. Are you by any chance a born-again rider?
Rest assured, he won't be stealing the title from you anytime soon...
I beg to differ! There's nothing better for verifying the structural integrity of the elbow patches on your suede riding jacket!
If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!
dodgy is as dodgy does
Really? I'm not aware of that, and I have just checked the road code online, but I could have missed it.
As for mirrors, I have always used bar end mirrors and they show the entire right hand lane and I instinctively look in my blind spot (I used to be a truck driver) so I would have glanced to my right when I started to indicate. A bike traveling at 50 - 60 kmh faster than me would have been well behind me when I did that given that he was travelling at least 15 metres per second faster than me.
As for being a born again, I had a 7 year break from riding about 15 years ago when my children were little, but aside from that I have owned and ridden bikes pretty much continuously for 30 years, so I don't think you could call me a born again.
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
dodgy is as dodgy does
I had enough grunt and a long straight, so knew I could complete the maneuver easily. If I had whipped out at the same time as indicating and checking my mirrors, something I have seen done many times, I would have been collected, but many years experience have taught me to act deliberately and sequentially. It has meant it's been 25 years since I last had an off and that I have never had an at fault accident despite driving for a living for many years.
The nice man on the Gixxer was overtaking aggressively and dangerously (and one of the guys following is a driving instructor in the army and said he was stunned with his stupidity) in what I assume was an attempt to show us how cool and macho he was. In essence he was riding in a way that put other riders in danger - it seems that many on this site believe that is an OK way to ride, but I disagree.
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
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Have you noticed though that their attempts to justify their manner of riding are becoming increasingly desperate and pathetic?
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keep justifying it... you'll be right soon enough.
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Recovered workaholic.
Not at all. But it does seem plenty of posters don't like the fact you're attempting to absolve yourself of any responsibility for not correctly checking for overtaking vehicles before attempting your own manouvre...
If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!
dodgy is as dodgy does
yeah, it's kind of amusing. I wonder how many of them actually ride the way they claim to - if so I'd be surprised if any of them are still here in 6 months.
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
The instructions are simple...
Hmmm, it just says 'look behind to make sure...'. does not mention mirrors or head checks. I'm sure it used to (at least in the printed version). Still, it is obvious that the field of view in a mirror is insufficient to provide the full picture. If you don't turn your head as well, you are 'making a decision based on partial information'. And the law still deems you to be at fault if you pull out and are hit by another overtaking vehicle.
The fact the overtaking vehicle may be right outside the law, safety etiquette, etc, is by-the-by.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Such a Rush
I remember head check being involved at some point in my driving tests..
Seriously though I head check obsessively, the only time the mirror is of any concrete use is when your watching traffic go past in it and you see a gap.
Otherwise its just a 10cm window into a world of painful opportunities.
I don't think for a second the gixxer rider was being responsible, but at any advanced speed I think head check should be mandatory. Car or bike.
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I think the point you are missing is when riding in a group it is paramount to look over your shoulder ie: physically look around before making a pass on a car to check the coast is clear, not count each one, just see if it is clear. You're being a little pedantic with this counting thing.
Sounds like you & the gixxer rider were in the wrong. You didn't check properly & he was too close & too fast (at least from your story, but that changed from 1 to half a meter in a matter of a few posts) so your credibility isn't exactly good
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dodgy is as dodgy does
I've allowed myself to get caught up in online slagging - a pointless exercise, albeit an amusing one.
I'm not sure what more I could have done - I indicated, looked in my mirrors, checked that there was nobody in the right hand lane overtaking and then started to pull out. Isn't that the correct way to overtake?
Can you tell me what I could have realistically done differently? Like I said before, I have probably 20 odd years of riding experience including many years only owning a bike, but I know I am not a perfect rider and am always looking for ways to lift my game.
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
Aio ki te Aorangi
It's called a lifesaver in the UK and if you don't do it when you're sitting your test, you fail!!! I still look over the appropriate shoulder when riding a motorbicycle or driving a car, too many blindspots on a car that don't pick up bikes, let alone cars and trucks and bike mirrors on sprots bikes are, as mentioned before, for checking that your torso and elbow apparal is in good condition...
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
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