Instilling a sense of conscience.

**beyond** · 22nd July 2009, 19:49

Well, when you change lanes you check over your shoulder... always! Period!
Especially in a group ride.

For what it's worth I have actually ridden with most of the people in this thread.... except for Katman.

Don't know how Katman rides.... he sounds like an angel... never speeds and always rides safe.

I can however vouch for Boomer, Sixpackback, The Stranger and a few others on here, who I would ride with anytime and day under any conditions. All bloody good riders who have never put me in danger or given me cause for concern...... except for......

Just Kidding

**Katman** · 22nd July 2009, 19:54

Originally Posted by beyond

I can however vouch for Boomer, Sixpackback, The Stranger

Interesting that you pick the three who seem the most reluctant to consider accepting any sort of morally acceptable riding standards.

Much like your own reluctance I suppose.

**beyond** · 22nd July 2009, 19:59

LOL, that's the problem... your sense of morally acceptable riding standards.

What about our sense of morally acceptable riding standards.

Why is yours better than ours? Do I judge you for the way you ride because of my sense of morally acceptable riding standards?

No... why? Because we are all different and we all have a different level of morally acceptable riding standards and we all have different levels of experience and... and.... could write a book.... wait... I already have but can't get it published.

Never mind. Just enjoy your rides and keep on believing that you are simply the best morally acceptable rider on the roads and the rest of us will just get on with enjoying our riding.

**Katman** · 22nd July 2009, 20:02

Originally Posted by beyond

LOL, that's the problem... your sense of morally acceptable riding standards.

Ok, then I'll ask you the same question that boomer and sixpack have decided not to answer.

Should all car drivers be allowed to drive at any speed and in any manner that they see fit?

Should all truck drivers be allowed to drive at any speed and in any manner that they see fit?

Or is it only motorcyclists that you think should be allowed to?

**beyond** · 22nd July 2009, 20:05

The answer to that is simple.
Many car drivers and truck drivers already drive at what ever speed and manner they see fit so where's the issue?

I nearly get run of the road by them everyday... something very difficult to do to them on a motorcycle.

**Katman** · 22nd July 2009, 20:08

Originally Posted by beyond

The answer to that is simple.
Many car drivers and truck drivers already drive at what ever speed and manner they see fit so where's the issue?

Read this carefully Paul.

Should they be allowed to?

**bogan** · 22nd July 2009, 20:16

Originally Posted by Katman

Read this carefully Paul.

S h o u l d t h e y b e a l l o w e d t o?

my names not paul but ill chip in anyway.

when did we start talking about changing laws? nobody is allowed to drive in any manner they see fit, speed limit, dangerous driving etc.

**beyond** · 22nd July 2009, 20:18

In many parts of the world they are allowed to do whatever speed they think is acceptable and safe. AS for the manner, we all try and consider other road users in what we do and I am sure most truck and car drivers do as well.

In countries where open road speed limits are available, there are actually far fewer accidents because of the heightened awareness and the fact concentration levels are so much higher than drivers falling asleep at the wheel due to low speed boring driving.

AND yes, I know you will come straight back with "well you certianly don't consider other road users" but again, your opinion, you weren't there, you have no idea of the overall picture and spatial awareness.

Just pre-empting your next strike because you refuse to accept what other people consider to be acceptable riding or driving.

**Katman** · 22nd July 2009, 20:18

Originally Posted by bogan

nobody is allowed to drive in any manner they see fit, speed limit, dangerous driving etc.

Exactly.

**Katman** · 22nd July 2009, 20:20

Originally Posted by beyond

AND yes, I know you will come straight back with "well you certianly don't consider other road users" but again, your opinion, you weren't there, you have no idea of the overall picture and spatial awareness.

Just pre-empting your next strike because you refuse to accept what other people consider to be acceptable riding or driving.

Your videos say more about you than I ever could.

**beyond** · 22nd July 2009, 20:23

Originally Posted by Katman

Your videos say more about you than I ever could.

That's exactly the response I was talking about.

That glass house you live in must be getting a little cold with all the stones you are throwing about

**boomer** · 22nd July 2009, 20:25

Originally Posted by Katman

Your videos say more about you than I ever could.

you got your answer, then resorted to this..... Seriously Katman.. get a fukin grip

**Kiwi Graham:Me** · 22nd July 2009, 20:32

Originally Posted by Katman

Your videos say more about you than I ever could.

Steve why do you persist mate?

What is it you want to achieve?

You must know its impossible to expect everybody to reach standards you set!

You yourself will fall short of standards others set.

You set yourself up for a cyber slating time and again!

**Mom** · 22nd July 2009, 20:34

What a bunch of crap this thread has degenerated into. Seriously, this is silly. I doubt anyone is actually against Katmans stance on the way bikers ride on the road, but he does provide such a good target for others to take the mickey.

Originally Posted by MarkH

Well, from what I gathered from reading his posts he was saying that the gixxer was in the same lane as him coming up past other bikes and then moved out across the centre line and passed him as he was moving out across the centre line to pass the car. If Shrub was indicating then pulled out and and the gixxer was not indicating and just pulled out to shoot past the indicating bike in front of him then I would suggest the gixxer was at fault. But this is supposition based on what I gathered from what Shrub said - without being there as an independent witness to the whole manoeuvre it is hard to be sure who was where when Shrub pulled out.

Sounds to me as if the gixxer rider had very good reflexive object avoidance skills too.

Originally Posted by bogan

when did we start talking about changing laws? nobody is allowed to drive in any manner they see fit, speed limit, dangerous driving etc.

And I doubt that many on here would disagree with you.