Instilling a sense of conscience.

[Katman]

I'm regularly disturbed by the number of times I have read on here "Meh, life's full of risks. If you don't want to expose yourself to risks then stay in bed".

All very well to a point but at what point does that idea cross the line?

Imagine this - a motorcyclist decides to go for a good hard fang in order to satisfy their need for an adrenalin fix. They misjudge a corner and plow head on into another motorcycle killing the other rider.

Do we say "Ah well, life's full of risks. Bad luck for the other motorcyclist" or do we say "You stupid prick, what right do you have to take an innocent life?"

If someone posts a video of themselves riding in a reckless manner out on public roads should we say "Awesome video dude" or should we say "What the fuck are you doing imposing risks on other people?"

[PirateJafa]

Burn them?

[MSTRS:Me]

If one 'must' get that adrenalin fix, then as long as no-one else is put at risk, who are we to point fingers and judge. Of course, in KMs example, all bets are off

[boomer]

I'm regularly disturbed by the number of times I have read on here "Meh, life's full of risks. If you don't want to expose yourself to risks then stay in bed".

All very well to a point but at what point does that idea cross the line?

Imagine this - a motorcyclist decides to go for a good hard fang in order to satisfy their need for an adrenalin fix. They misjudge a corner and plow head on into another motorcycle killing the other rider.

Do we say "Ah well, life's full of risks. Bad luck for the other motorcyclist" or do we say "You stupid prick, what right do you have to take an innocent life?"

If someone posts a video of themselves riding in a reckless manner out on public roads should we say "Awesome video dude" or should we say "What the fuck are you doing imposing risks on other people?"

You're like a stuck record... Go get laid ffs

[Pussy]

Agree, Katman!

It's up there with "I'll drive anyway, how much of a risk is it with a belly-full of piss?"

[Katman]

Agree, Katman!

It's up there with "I'll drive anyway, how much of a risk is it with a belly-full of piss?"

That's a very good point.

What difference is there really (at a conscience level) between riding at 200+kph on roads that are shared with others and driving pissed?

[Okey Dokey]

Well, this is NZ, where people apparently can't be trusted to tell the difference between a smack and child abuse...

The line should be obvious, one would think, but in reality it is everyone's own opinion about what is acceptable.

For what it is worth, I agree with Katman & Pussy on this.

[YellowDog]

To drive or ride recklessly on the public highway which endangers the life of others is bad news and should be frowned upon.

The problem I see is recognising what is enjoying yourself, but still taking reasonable care; compared with someone elses opinion of what you are doing.

We all make mistakes and sometimes the consequences are tragic.

Some on here say "Only speed and have fun on the track". That being the only option, you may as well give up your road bike and pay for bike/track hire in one.

It's a tough subject to debate. One riders safety can be seen as another rider's (or a traffic cop's) danger.

[MIXONE]

I ride how I like which 95% of the time is within cooee of the speed limits and to suit the conditions.The other 5% I like to fang it but restrict it to where there is little or no traffic.
I think you are flogging a dead horse if you think by posting on kb you will sway one person.
Those who agree with you are already convinced and the rest think that you are a tosser!

[gwigs]

I ride how I like which 95% of the time is within cooee of the speed limits and to suit the conditions.The other 5% I like to fang it but restrict it to where there is little or no traffic.
I think you are flogging a dead horse if you think by posting on kb you will sway one person.
Those who agree with you are already convinced and the rest think that you are a tosser!

Well put........I think Katmans been watching the Mormon Few,s new video...

[shrub]

A few months ago a group of us rode to Akaroa on a Sunday, I had a Street Triple from the shop and we had a mix of everything from Daytonas to Americas, and parked beside a middle aged guy on a GSXR600 with the full race leathers. Did the usual friendly chat and on to lunch. As we left he was waiting on the side of the road, pulled out and joined us. I was leading and thought "sweet, the more the merrier" and didn't think much more of it.

Suddenly he whips past me on a corner and I figured he wanted to go faster than we were, so I left him to it. As we rode through Little River, there he is on the side of the road again. I didn't pay much attention and carried on enjoying my ride. Came up behind a slow car through a couple of corners and as we came out of the corners onto a straight I flicked on my indicator, glanced in my mirror and saw nothing in the right hand lane and a bunch of lights behind me, so pulled out. At that moment aformentioned GSXR rider screams past me less than a meter away at one hell of a speed. If I had pulled out a fraction earlier I would be a newspaper article.

He was having a great time riding really, really quickly and showing a bunch of slow nanas on Triumphs how good he was. He also nearly killed me, and for a moment I seriously considered going after him and giving him a riding lesson with my fists.

[SixPackBack]

I'm regularly disturbed by the number of times I have read on here "Meh, life's full of risks. If you don't want to expose yourself to risks then stay in bed".

All very well to a point but at what point does that idea cross the line?

Imagine this - a motorcyclist decides to go for a good hard fang in order to satisfy their need for an adrenalin fix. They misjudge a corner and plow head on into another motorcycle killing the other rider.

Do we say "Ah well, life's full of risks. Bad luck for the other motorcyclist" or do we say "You stupid prick, what right do you have to take an innocent life?"

If someone posts a video of themselves riding in a reckless manner out on public roads should we say "Awesome video dude" or should we say "What the fuck are you doing imposing risks on other people?"

FFS Katman, negate the risk, buy a Corolla and stop whinging like a nancy

A few months ago a group of us rode to Akaroa on a Sunday, I had a Street Triple from the shop and we had a mix of everything from Daytonas to Americas, and parked beside a middle aged guy on a GSXR600 with the full race leathers. Did the usual friendly chat and on to lunch. As we left he was waiting on the side of the road, pulled out and joined us. I was leading and thought "sweet, the more the merrier" and didn't think much more of it.

Suddenly he whips past me on a corner and I figured he wanted to go faster than we were, so I left him to it. As we rode through Little River, there he is on the side of the road again. I didn't pay much attention and carried on enjoying my ride. Came up behind a slow car through a couple of corners and as we came out of the corners onto a straight I flicked on my indicator, glanced in my mirror and saw nothing in the right hand lane and a bunch of lights behind me, so pulled out. At that moment aformentioned GSXR rider screams past me less than a meter away at one hell of a speed. If I had pulled out a fraction earlier I would be a newspaper article.

He was having a great time riding really, really quickly and showing a bunch of slow nanas on Triumphs how good he was. He also nearly killed me, and for a moment I seriously considered going after him and giving him a riding lesson with my fists.

Tough guy huh. Best stay awake next time you hit the road.

[gwigs]

There,s always been lunatics on the road and there always will be...
We all take our lives in our hands every time we go out on the roads be it on a bike or in a cage.....all we can do is be alert and ride,drive defensively...
I dont believe speeding is inherently dangerous at the right time and place.
Theres a lot of slow driving halfwits on the road as well...usually the ones that pull out in front of you...

[Pussy]

A few months ago a group of us rode to Akaroa on a Sunday, I had a Street Triple from the shop and we had a mix of everything from Daytonas to Americas, and parked beside a middle aged guy on a GSXR600 with the full race leathers. Did the usual friendly chat and on to lunch. As we left he was waiting on the side of the road, pulled out and joined us. I was leading and thought "sweet, the more the merrier" and didn't think much more of it.

Suddenly he whips past me on a corner and I figured he wanted to go faster than we were, so I left him to it. As we rode through Little River, there he is on the side of the road again. I didn't pay much attention and carried on enjoying my ride. Came up behind a slow car through a couple of corners and as we came out of the corners onto a straight I flicked on my indicator, glanced in my mirror and saw nothing in the right hand lane and a bunch of lights behind me, so pulled out. At that moment aformentioned GSXR rider screams past me less than a meter away at one hell of a speed. If I had pulled out a fraction earlier I would be a newspaper article.

He was having a great time riding really, really quickly and showing a bunch of slow nanas on Triumphs how good he was. He also nearly killed me, and for a moment I seriously considered going after him and giving him a riding lesson with my fists.

That gixxer rider sounds like a "look at me!" hand-cranker

[Genestho]

Katman.
I still think you could sharpen up on your gruffman skills, lol

But you have a point. I can think of 7 fatalities - rider induced this year alone, and we're not done yet. The highest ACC claim figures in my locality are due to rider error.

It's all very well saying "Ride your own ride" but even if you do, and you still go down due to rider error - even on your own, my only contribution is that there'll be people left behind, in sorrow. And that's the truth.

Someone will need to scoop your limbs off the ground for you. Someone will have to look after your kids. Some-one will have to create your headstone. Some-one will mourn you.

This is reality.
And yes, we all die, yes we could be knocked over by a bus tomorrow, yes - sh!t happens - but do we want to encourage putting OTHER peoples lives at risk?

For the sake of adrenaline, when there are other ways to get this??? (Believe me I LOVE adrenaline!!)

In saying that I won't be ranting about it. Probably nuff said.

I climb off my soapbox now!