LTSA Stuff I hadn't picked up on.

[TwoSeven]

Sorry, but not all exits are a left hand turn. This is only the case with large roundabouts like in Christchurch. The ones that only have a small raised circle in the middle of the intersection (like Queenstown) are still roundabouts, but if you are travelling straight ahead, then there is no need to deviate from a straight line at any stage. Hence there is never a left hand turn.

Its still treated as a left turn. Just because the it looks straight and you drive straight, you still go thru the motions of a roundabout. You also should be making the effort to drive round them rather than over them.

The trick with good driving is to go. "oh, roundabout" and automatically do the motions, rather than trying to argue the technicalities of what you perceive something to be or not.

There is another good rule. "Just because you can do something, doesnt mean you should do it". i.e. You can drive over the little white circle, but that doesnt mean you should be driving over it.

You'll find that those small circles on the road are there to allow large vehicles (or bigger cars) clearence room. Not for you to just drive over because you want to.

[ManDownUnder]

ROGER THAT, IM IN THIS CLUB

.hhmmm... "club" and "winja" in the same sentence...

anyone out there able to re-arrange these words and create a NEW sentence?

[vifferman]

Its still treated as a left turn. Just because the it looks straight and you drive straight, you still go thru the motions of a roundabout. You also should be making the effort to drive round them rather than over them.

Rriiiiiight....

The trick with good driving is to go. "oh, roundabout" and automatically do the motions, rather than trying to argue the technicalities of what you perceive something to be or not.

Where's the fun in that?!? Stop being such a spoilsport!

There is another good rule. "Just because you can do something, doesnt mean you should do it". i.e. You can drive over the little white circle, but that doesnt mean you should be driving over it.

Unless you feel like it. Haven't you heard that other great rule: "Just Do It".

You'll find that those small circles on the road are there to allow large vehicles (or bigger cars) clearence room. Not for you to just drive over because you want to.

Bollix.
I will if I want to.
So there!

[TwoSeven]

There is a really good book (not sure if its avail in NZ.)

Motorcycle Roadcraft
The police riders manual
HMSO Publications
ISBN 0 11 340149 3
10th Edition 1988 (my old version)

I find it quite good and use it for basic road riding skills.


There is a later version available from here.
http://www.police-information.co.uk/policebooks6.html

[Lou Girardin]

Not too sure about you but when I'm on a roundabout I'm a little occupied with traffic and the unexpected...........I will indicate when turning no problem but tell me officer why should I indicate when I am going straight ahead.

Skyryder

As a courtesy to the driver ahead of you, wanting to know your intentions.

[flyin]

i was taught to consider a rounderbout as a center line and to indicate whenever entering/exiting a lane/centerline soooo indicate on and off

small roundabouts going straight through its only practical/uselful to other divers to indicate off (left )

i do like this indicate for 3 seconds idea (got a ticket for not indicating for long enough once, in a cage, the only person to see was the cop and the lady i was passing on a 2 lane rd!?!) so we should do a few rings around the roundabout before we leave.......... sounds like fun!! and good practice

[Lou Girardin]

[QUOTE=flyin

i do like this indicate for 3 seconds idea (got a ticket for not indicating for long enough once, in a cage, the only person to see was the cop and the lady i was passing on a 2 lane rd!?!) so we should do a few rings around the roundabout before we leave.......... sounds like fun!! and good practice[/QUOTE]

Did the cop have certificate of accuracy for his stopwatch?

[flyin]

yeah thats what i said...... on old hut rd headed towards the gorge in the 100km 2 lane part, i indicated out, passed her, indicated in and pulled in..... aparantly him and his buddy thought it wasn't 3 seconds..... oh well guess he was gunna give me a ticket for sumthing - i was young, and male and my car was loud aurally and visually!!

[Jantar]

Its still treated as a left turn. Just because the it looks straight and you drive straight, you still go thru the motions of a roundabout. You also should be making the effort to drive round them rather than over them.

The trick with good driving is to go. "oh, roundabout" and automatically do the motions, rather than trying to argue the technicalities of what you perceive something to be or not.

There is another good rule. "Just because you can do something, doesnt mean you should do it". i.e. You can drive over the little white circle, but that doesnt mean you should be driving over it.

You'll find that those small circles on the road are there to allow large vehicles (or bigger cars) clearence room. Not for you to just drive over because you want to.

No, You misunderstand. The small circle in the middle of the road in Queenstown is aprox 1 meter in diameter. It is not necessary to drive over it, nor is it necessary to deviate from a straight line when going through.

Because it would just be a normal cross road if it didn't have the circle in the middle, the distance available after passing the exit immediately befor the on you wish to take is the width of the foot path, or about 1.5 meters. To indicate for 3 seconds would mean your maximum speed would be 0.5 meters per second or 1.8 kmh. Come on now please be realistic. At 50 kmh the time available to indicate is 0.07 seconds.

[Skyryder]

As a courtesy to the driver ahead of you, wanting to know your intentions.

By not signalling I am giving the driver my intentions. I am going straight ahead. Seems to work on normal intersections why not on roundabouts??

Skyryder

[TwoSeven]

This 3 second rule doesnt fully apply to roundabouts. If you are making a left hand turn, then you are required to indicate for 3 seconds as you approach the roundabout. It is after all, just a normal left hand turn.

The right hand turn on a roundabout is also the three second rule for the right hand indication, then not for the following left hand turn.

You do realise you indicate as you approach the roundabout dont you. Hopefully your not dumb enough to wait until your on it before you indicate

I notice they have been removing those mini-roundabouts in christchurch recently. Obviously figured out how pointless they are.

[TwoSeven]

By not signalling I am giving the driver my intentions. I am going straight ahead. Seems to work on normal intersections why not on roundabouts??

Skyryder

The problem is that more often than not, you are the only one that knows you are going straight ahead. To just about everyone else at the other exits, your doing a left hand turn.

[James Deuce]

By not signalling I am giving the driver my intentions. I am going straight ahead. Seems to work on normal intersections why not on roundabouts??

Skyryder

Because most people are too stupid to actually be bothered with things like intuition or uncommon sense. Can't call it common sense, because common is the opposite of rare, which would mean that the correct definition of "common sense" is stupidity.

The problem is that more often than not, you are the only one that knows you are going straight ahead. To just about everyone else at the other exits, your doing a left hand turn.

You could do what I saw some plonker in Lower Hutt doing on Saturday and just hit the hazards at every roundabout you come too. Stops the traffic flow dead.

[Skyryder]

The problem is that more often than not, you are the only one that knows you are going straight ahead. To just about everyone else at the other exits, your doing a left hand turn.

Well I am unable to speak for others but if a car is not indicating then I will make the assumption that it is not turning. If I have any doubt on the other vehicles intentions then I will revert to what they teach on Defensive Driving courses. I will drive defensively. Now if said car makes a turn and has not indicated then I can get a bit pissied off. But...........if said car does not turn and has not indicated what have I to be pissed off about? Nothing. So why should other vehicles be upset about my not indicting when I am going straight ahead.



Skyryder

[Lou Girardin]

Assumptions kill people. Personally I wait until I'm sure what their intentions are. Even if someones indicating I wait to see the start to turn.