LTSA Stuff I hadn't picked up on.

**James Deuce** · 30th March 2005, 15:40

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3231602a11,00.html

Demerit pts for riding in the service lane on motorways!!

**White trash** · 30th March 2005, 15:44

Simple. Don't stop.

Fuck 'em.

**outlawtorn** · 30th March 2005, 15:49

I wonder how many bikers were consulted about the rules, or if they were even thought of!

**vifferman** · 30th March 2005, 16:06

"We have entered into the spirit of things and are using this time as a period for the public to become aware of changes. That's not to say we aren't handing out tickets, but we are giving drivers an opportunity to learn the rules."
"The spirit of things"?!?!? WTF is that supposed to mean? :spudwhat:
"We have got out the big whacking stick. Again. My, how we did laugh!! You should have seen the look on old Granny's face, when we gave her a ticket for $150 and 10 points because her crappy old Corolla's indicator stalk baulked at having to be engaged when the steering wheel was turned. What a laugh! We were very disappointed we couldn't find a reason to give her a good old truncheoning!"

Seriously though, considering there are three "E's", it's a pity it's still much easier for Andy Knackersack and co to concentrate on Enforcement rather than Education. And coincidentally (?) it's much more profitable too.

I agree that people's driving skills have vast room for improvement, but I think a BIG education campaign should have preceded this latest walloping campaign.

Furthermore, I went driving with each of my boys in the weekend, and while I agree with the principle of the 'indicate your intentions at roundabouts' rules, in practice it's bloody difficult, especially on small roundabouts. Also, the mechanics of some indicators make it damned near impossible to use them while the steering wheel is turned, or so we discovered.

**R1** · 30th March 2005, 16:20

Originally Posted by White trash

Simple. Don't stop.

Fuck 'em.

Why dont you get bad reps and endless abuse for saying that?

good plan tho, since i stoped stopping, i havnt had any tickets.

**White trash** · 30th March 2005, 16:29

Originally Posted by R1AaronKDX

Why dont you get bad reps and endless abuse for saying that?

'Cause I'm me. You can give me some red bling if ya want mate.

**sedge** · 30th March 2005, 18:43

Originally Posted by R1AaronKDX

Why dont you get bad reps and endless abuse for saying that?

good plan tho, since i stoped stopping, i havnt had any tickets.

It's coz we all know that in real life WT ALWAYS stops for the cops.

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It's the ambulances that give him the heebie jeebies.

**TwoSeven** · 30th March 2005, 19:51

I'd like to get them to change that left hand side rule (or at least define it better than they have). Buggered if I'm going to put up with getting points for not driving in the suicide zone.

**Waylander** · 30th March 2005, 19:55

Originally Posted by TwoSeven

I'd like to get them to change that left hand side rule (or at least define it better than they have). Buggered if I'm going to put up with getting points for not driving in the suicide zone.

I agree with you there. I'll ride in the left lane unless passing like the signs say but I'll be damned if I'm gonna ride in the left side of the lane aswell. Too many cagers thinkin I'm lettin them pass.

**inlinefour** · 30th March 2005, 20:04

I thought it was allways that way and common sense...

**Skyryder** · 30th March 2005, 20:22

Your Honour. A roundabout is an intersection. At this intersection I have three choices. I can turn left and indicate my intention of doing so. I can trun right and also indicate my intentions of doing so. Or i can go straight ahead.

Officer if I am going straight ahead why would I indicate that I am turning to the left and to the right?

Can't wait for the fucker who gives me a ticket for this. There's just no way I am going to confuse drivers on a roundabout. Said it once will say it again. I am not going to add to their confusion some are confused enough as it is.

Skyryder

**WINJA** · 30th March 2005, 20:25

Originally Posted by White trash

Simple. Don't stop.

Fuck 'em.

ROGER THAT, IM IN THIS CLUB

**Waylander** · 30th March 2005, 20:26

Originally Posted by WINJA

ROGER THAT, IM IN THIS CLUB

Yes WINJA we know you are....

**Skyryder** · 30th March 2005, 20:27

Originally Posted by Honda

I thought it was allways that way and common sense...

So did I but LTNZ have decreed that we do not have any common sense. Wonder where they got that idea from.

Skyryder

**Jantar** · 30th March 2005, 21:32

I would like to know just how they define a roundabout? Does it have to have a raised and curbed traffic island in the middle? Is a simple raised and painted area sufficient, or how about a small circle of road marking?

In Queenstown there is normal four road intersection with a one meter diameter circle of road marking raised in the middle. Technically this a round about. However if you are going straight ahead then at no stage do you need to deviate from a straight line. Once you have passed the exit on your left, you have already exited the roundabout. It is not physically possile to obey the rule and indicate to left prior to your intende exit.

In Gore Ther is a roundabout (actually a number of them) in the more traditional sense in that it has a raised and curbed traffic island in the middle. It is also in a 60 kmh area, and the distance between passing the exit on your left and entering your own exit is 6 meters. At 60 kmh you have exactly 0.35 seconds to decide that you have passed the previous exit, and to indicate your intentions to exit the roundabout. If you are able to actually indicate and get a single flash from your indicators, how much time have other road users got to react to your indication? I tried it on the Gore roundabouts, and was usually off the roundabout before the indicators gave their first flash.