Cop radars?

[Swoop]

we used to have a way: it was called discretion...

Good post Idle! Well put.

Intelligence has been weeded out of society over the years. The discretion of the police. The drivers and riders of vehicles also have to use their head.

"Ride/drive to the conditions" should replace all the other bullshit propaganda that gets thrown around by gubbinment.

[idleidolidyll]

"Ride/drive to the conditions" should replace all the other bullshit propaganda that gets thrown around by gubbinment.

I agree to a point.
The current practice of not sweeping roads after resealing and not signposting the roads makes it difficult to impossible to even tell if there is gravel on top of the sealed surface (same colour/tone). Far too often there is no warning before hitting this dangerous surface.

In those cases it is not a case of "drive to the conditions", it's a case of "the condition of the road was dangerously substandard and a danger to the driving public"

but even if this is fact, current pig policy is to blame the driver/rider for going too fast for the conditions: what a pile of smelly excrement.

The other side of the point you make is that "drive to the conditions" can just as easily mean its perfectly safe to do 130kph down that empty 3km straight on a sunny afternoon. Speed is NOT inherently dangerous; bad driving is dangerous......but try to get a cop to admit that and you'll be abused endlessly by the rest of their gang here

[Renegade]

Or maybe cops just take that position while on duty but off duty have a different opinion, i doubt they all have the same thoughts on road safety considering the Police is meant to be made up of a cross section of society.

we all have to do what the boss says to some extent if you want to keep your pay packet aye??

[Swoop]

The other side of the point you make is that "drive to the conditions" can just as easily mean its perfectly safe to do 130kph down that empty 3km straight on a sunny afternoon. Speed is NOT inherently dangerous; bad driving is dangerous......but try to get a cop to admit that and you'll be abused endlessly by the rest of their gang here

Quite so! Nothing wrong with higher speeds when applicable. Motorways are a classic example.

[saltydog]

It's all about revenue, we know that.
Warnings are non-existant.
I'm still spewing at my fucking huge fine. ($600+)
Wondering if I should pay it or contest it (wasnt really onto it at the time re: notes, pics etc, so my gut is telling me to shell out....CUNTS)
My time has been spent wisely, I now have a radar units(s) on the bike that does Ka, K, X, 2 types of laser, VG-2 cloaking, and its got an in helmet Led.
Pity i cant ride it until the 7th!

[Varkp]

yes it itches my arse aswell, got pinged for doing 121 on the way to the cold kiwi last year. cop was'nt interested in my story that i was pasing a truck throwing up spray and it was more dangerous for me remaining behind the truck. Got a lecture about the dangers of speeding ..bla bla bla bakebeans...

however

Every f'king day i comute to work and not a day goes past that i nearly become another liability to ACC bacause some moron with a mobile is having txt-sex or needs to talk to somebody because he/sha has no f'king social live..

now tell me which is more dangerous and a greater possible liabily to the state, me speeding or some numbnut with a mobile taking me out.

[idleidolidyll]

That's a good example for the case that bikes should be allowed to go faster than cars just as other traffic is allowed to go faster than trucks and vehicles with trailers.

the most dangerous place for a bike is amongst trucks and cars; the safest place is out front.

[CookMySock]

That's a good example for the case that bikes should be allowed to go faster than cars just as other traffic is allowed to go faster than trucks and vehicles with trailers.

That makes no sense - where do you get your logic from? You will just catch the trucks up again more quickly. Truck and trailer units have to go slower because they don't corner like cars.

the most dangerous place for a bike is amongst trucks and cars; the safest place is out front.

Yeah, but nothing forces you to pass some cars and crawl in some gap between them all.

Bikers are a lone force on the road. The rules do not apply to them, and thats the way we like it. Isn't it?

Steve

[idleidolidyll]

That makes no sense - where do you get your logic from? You will just catch the trucks up again more quickly. Truck and trailer units have to go slower because they don't corner like cars.

80 and 90kph limits help separate trucks from other vehicles. If bikes were allowed to do an extra 10kph (110) they'd have the legal ability to separate themselves from cars.
Sure, you MAY catch up to slower traffic again but at least you don't get busted for finding a nice space in front of them.

Yeah, but nothing forces you to pass some cars and crawl in some gap between them all.

Who mentioned force? You seem to be answering a question you set up for yourself instead of responding directly to my post. It's always about choice: if a biker is looney enough to WANT to sit amongst the tin tops; that's their choice and they're welcome to it. However, those of us who recognise that it is safer away from cars and trucks should have the choice to look after our safety without being penalised by the tax collectors.

Bikers are a lone force on the road. The rules do not apply to them, and thats the way we like it. Isn't it?

Steve

That might be why YOU ride but don't assign your own beliefs and practices to the rest of us. That was a dumb statement: rules apply to everyone but if they are unjust or dangerous; we should be able to have them changed.

[Varkp]

Late last night im riding back from work. All behaving nicely because i have a cop car about 50 meters in front of me. And i just know he is painting me and any passing vehicle with his radar.

Then suddenly like a mad man he slams on his breaks, turn on his xmas tree on his roof, pulls onto the side of the road and proceeds to start making a U-turn.

I'm fairly certain he didn't spot me until the last moment, all because he was in chase mode to go ticket a speeder from the opposite direction.

Now this begs the question.

Is issuing infringements more important to the cops then the safety of other road users.

[jim.cox]

Is issuing infringements more important to the cops then the safety of other road users.

Yes absolutely. There's no safety quota and it generates no revenue you know