R1 vs Porsche

[Lou Girardin]

What does it matter if a Porch or verandah is .75 km/h faster through a corner? He's going to be so far behind getting to the corner that the point is moot. No production car can get to 160 k's as quick as a litrebike. As for top speed, that's just for pub wanking.
The there's the bottom line; our bikes cost a tenth of Porches etc. The price of a set of tyres for 360 Modena would buy a pretty good bike.

[Wolf]

The there's the bottom line; our bikes cost a tenth of Porches etc. The price of a set of tyres for 360 Modena would buy a pretty good bike.

The "bang for the buck" reckonning. Comparing a performance bike with a car that cost the same amount, the bike will win hands down - you won't get a serious performance car in that price range.

[inlinefour]

When the Porshe did the donut only the rear tyres spun. Is that normal for a 4wd Porshe? Or are we getting told porkes???

[Marmoot]

The "bang for the buck" reckonning. Comparing a performance bike with a car that cost the same amount, the bike will win hands down - you won't get a serious performance car in that price range.

but then the bikes will be dissed as "cheap thrills".
I personally resent my pride and joy be dissed as cheap thrills

[phaedrus]

When the Porshe did the donut only the rear tyres spun. Is that normal for a 4wd Porshe? Or are we getting told porkes???

i'm not 100% sure on this but i think that the center differential would let this happen. (good old howstuffworks.com). start one set of wheels spinning and the others loose all power.

Same things happen on 2wd, lift a back tire and it'll spin helplessly while the other stays still (until people got clever and invented things like limeted slip diffs)
assuming a rear wheel drive

[bugjuice]

When the Porshe did the donut only the rear tyres spun. Is that normal for a 4wd Porshe? Or are we getting told porkes???

They have LSD (Limited Slip Diff) in the rear, regular in the front, then an electronic distribution diff in the middle. The cars' computer checks each wheel to see what's going on every squillionth of a second. The car would have figured he was showing off his penis size as the front wheels were doing similar speeds altho the back were spinning faster, so it would have allowed it to do it. If it had been driving and that happened, then the computer would have done different.

They use the same drive train/system in the 4Motion on VWs and 4WD 'S' Audi's..

[Lou Girardin]

Not quite, the centre diff feeds torque to the wheels that aren't spinning. That's why you acclerate when these things start to drift under power.

[Wolf]

but then the bikes will be dissed as "cheap thrills".
I personally resent my pride and joy be dissed as cheap thrills

Like a performance bike is cheap!? Cost effective is the terminology, here. Bikes don't waste money on all that superfluous crap you find in/on cages (extra wheels for sissies wot can't ride, bench seats, doors etc)

[phaedrus]

Not quite, the centre diff feeds torque to the wheels that aren't spinning. That's why you acclerate when these things start to drift under power.

thanks for the correction

[Fart]

My other ride is a Subaru WRX. Both car and bike have their own merits of frills and it aint cheap, thats for sure, expecially upon receiving a speeding ticket. Riding a bike fast takes more skills and concentration than driving a car fast. That Clarkson wanker must have it for bikers. His arrogant attitude pisses people of at times.

Maybe we should do a video of our own car vs bike where the bike thrashes the shit out of the car and send it to Clarkson.

[bugjuice]

Not quite, the centre diff feeds torque to the wheels that aren't spinning. That's why you acclerate when these things start to drift under power.

but the centre diff is computer-distribution controlled on these things now, aren't they...??

[ManDownUnder]

Mr. Jeremy "I'm too much of a giant pussy to ride a bike" Clarkson sets up a head-to-head Yamaha R1 vs Porsche Carrera 4 race at the Thruxton race track.

http://www.rsportscars.com/Acentral/video/c4vsr1.wmv

Yeah whatever.
2 observations
1) I don't ride a bike coz it's faster/slower, smoother, corners better than a 911. I ride it coz I like riding it. There's a good chance I'd enjoy driving a 4WD 911 too
2) Would Top Gear be likely to compare a bike with a car such that the car loses? Funny they picked a 4WD (with "less power" but failed to mention the better "power transmission") and then put it onto a twisty track. What happens with a 2WD 911, or the 911 v R1 on a different track?

*YAWN*, bikes vs cars, apples vs oranges... they're different beasts for different purposes and different audiences. One is better than the other... they're DIFFERENT

MDU

[chickenfunkstar]

I'm really not sure why he hates bikes so much,
There was a recent episode of top gear when Clarkson compares the Enzo to the old F40. One of the main reasons he liked the F40 over the Enzo is because of its lack of computers, powersteering and other non essential equipment.

I belive he said, in reference to the F40, that he liked it because it was just bum, seat, road.

It seems to me that thats exactly what a bike is. No?

[TygerTung]

I like cars, I like bikes.... they are just different!

Different things for different purposes!!!

And why are you putting these pictures up of american cars up, and no japanese cars? I mean are you into american bikes like harleys or are you into japenese bikes? I am into japenese cars as they suit me better ie. Lighter, smaller, faster....

I prefer somthing simple without heaps of luxeries like power steering and electric windows as all these things add weight, but thats just how I am...

I don't like cars better than bikes, or bikes better than cars... they are just different.

[Waylander]

I like cars, I like bikes.... they are just different!

Different things for different purposes!!!

And why are you putting these pictures up of american cars up, and no japanese cars? I mean are you into american bikes like harleys or are you into japenese bikes? I am into japenese cars as they suit me better ie. Lighter, smaller, faster....

I prefer somthing simple without heaps of luxeries like power steering and electric windows as all these things add weight, but thats just how I am...

I don't like cars better than bikes, or bikes better than cars... they are just different.

Bah never liked the cut-out cars, and yea they may be lighter, smaller, faster but they cant match power, looks and sound. In fact I doubt those ricers are faster all the time, maybe around a track but put it out on a drag strip and the muscle will win all the time without the help of NOS.