Hells Angels are not a gang...

**Elysium** · 28th July 2009, 18:49

Originally Posted by Usarka

If there is evidence against an organisation or it's members....why aren't they in jail?

Same reason the likes of Black Power still walk the streets with their patches, the politicians don't have the will power nor balls to do anything about it. Well except Michael Laws. I mean everyone knows gangs are involved with break ins, drugs etc... but police only jail the ones caught but not break up the organisation that runs the criminal busines.

Simply make gangs like those illegal and crack down hard on them...oh wait can't do that because the greenies get upset about freedom of this and that. But wait for the next violent gang clash and we'll be blaming the police for not cracking down on the gangs

**Headbanger** · 28th July 2009, 18:49

Originally Posted by Usarka

If there is evidence against an organisation or it's members....why aren't they in jail?

And that's the real issue, If what they say is true, then they should do something about it or stfu.

They point the finger at a group, claim they are the cause of all evil, and then kick back while the Mayor brings in a by-law about clothing.

yeah, That will work accomplish fuck all of nothing untill the cops start a war by trying to take someones patch....

**Headbanger** · 28th July 2009, 18:54

Originally Posted by Elysium

Simply make gangs like those illegal and crack down hard on them..

Or, we could just take a second to realise crime is already illegal and the police already have plenty of power to fight crime, in fact its meant to be their purpose.

If as you say its because the police don't have the balls then what is another law going to do?,Mr Laws wont be out on the street enforcing it, The police will be.

And unless the police intend to strike in numbers and remove patches by force then then its just going to be another useless law that is ignored.

**Elysium** · 28th July 2009, 18:58

Originally Posted by Headbanger

If as you say its because the police don't have the balls then what is another law going to do?,Mr Laws wont be out on the street enforcing it, The police will be.

I never said anything about police lacking balls. Re-read my post. Police only have the power to arrest and jail those caught, up the Beeive to sort out he organisations.

**peasea** · 28th July 2009, 18:59

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

Do they cause you as many issues as the police?.......do they rape the public to the tune of over a million traffic tickets a year?....
The police are the governments 'gang', they wear patches, act with arrogance, contain good buggers as well as bad......do you trust the police any more than gangs?......do you avoid the police as much as gangs?

The truth is the government could close down gang activity over night, they choose not to. A level of civil disobedience is required for governance, no difference to protection money that [say] the mafia would charge to restaurants. The government say we need 'protecting' from 'gangs' and charge exhorbitantly for the right. The latest move to take away civil rights IMHO could end with blood shed and misery-for the government much more than the gangs!....More likely twats like Law's will waste a great deal of tax payers money trying to defend the indefensible-and lose!

Bravo, and let's not forget the rate-payers.

While I applaud Mr Laws for standing up for what he believes in there is a can of worms associated with patches. If you ban something (eg; a gang patch) then it needs to be clearly identified. An organised motorcycle club is most likely to be an incorporated society and will most likely have the paperwork to prove it. Therefore it could be argued that the (ficticious as far as I am aware) Wanganui Crochet Club (an incorporated society) would fall into the category of a 'gang' and woe betide them if they crochet themselves a back patch. Silly scenario? Watch this space.

As previous posts have indicated, Ulysses patches would have to go if the net were to be cast, then it's club T-shirts, the Adidas logo and the Holden badge on our V8. Fuck that; where does it stop? (Look out! Here come the Adidas Boys. There goes that bloody Holden Gang again....) How many people wear patches from rallies they've been to? Will it come down to patch size? Location on the jacket? HOG members beware!

I would add, however, that motorcycle clubs have at least one reason to justify their existence; motorcycles. Groups like the Mongrel Mob, Black Power, Crips, Bloods and their ilk don't appear to have a 'crux' as it were other than to hang together. At least M/C's have motorcycles, the M/C members I know talk a lot about them and appear to have (and have had for some time) a genuine interest in bikes. It is through motorcycles that I have met and befriended many past and present M/C members, how weird is that?

I know what Laws is trying to do but he's trodden in something here.

**duckonin** · 28th July 2009, 19:05

Originally Posted by MotoGirl

From what I hear, Ulysses is well on the way having already removed patches from its gear list.

Going to reinstate them I hear..

**Headbanger** · 28th July 2009, 19:10

Originally Posted by Elysium

I never said anything about police lacking balls. Re-read my post. Police only have the power to arrest and jail those caught, up the Beeive to sort out he organisations.

Your right, You were referring to the politicians, and I am in agreement with you. Though I believe the cops could take some action.

Case in point, After the little girl was shoot dead by the mob, the police raided all their houses, turned up a dozen guns,stolen cars and bikes, weed and P, a few known fugitives, etc etc.

well duh!, That's how the fuckers live, they should be raiding their homes twice a week until they fuck off out to the back blocks or they stop finding shit to charge them with.

**peasea** · 28th July 2009, 19:15

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Your right, You were referring to the politicians, and I am in agreement with you. Though I believe the cops could take some action.

Case in point, After the little girl was shoot dead by the mob, the police raided all their houses, turned up a dozen guns,stolen cars and bikes, weed and P, a few known fugitives, etc etc.

well duh!, That's how the fuckers live, they should be raiding their homes twice a week until they fuck off out to the back blocks or they stop finding shit to charge them with.

Don't they call that 'sabre rattling'?

**P38** · 28th July 2009, 19:17

Originally Posted by davereid

I gotta watch my back.. maybe I'll cop a $2000 fine.
Just how long till MY club becomes a listed patched organisation.?

Nah we are cool Dave
The Ulysses is welcome in Wangas

I wrote to the Council asking about our badge and this is the head honchos reply.

Ok here it is straight from the horses mouth.

The Ulysses Club Badge "IS WELCOME" in Wanganui.

Stuart Hylton has replied to my email as below.

Stuart is the Senior Policy Advisor/Deputy Manager for the Wanganui District Council.

Hi Peter

Your members will be pleased to know that they are not affected by the recently passed Prohibition of Gang Insignia Act in Wanganui. Here is the wording from the Act which specifically names gangs that are implicated by the prohibition by reason that they are or have been associated in unlawful activities within the District and their presence including wearing of gang patches is likely to be intimidating to residents in public places.

In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires,—
gang means—

(a) Black Power, Hells Angels, Magogs, Mothers, Mongrel

Mob, Nomads, or Tribesmen; and

(b) any other specified organisation, association, or group

of persons identified in a bylaw made under section 5

Hope this clarifies matters. We look forward to your members enjoying another awesome boxing day motorcycle racing this year in Wanganui.

Regards

Stuart Hylton
Senior Policy Advisor/Deputy Manager Policy
Wanganui District Council

06 349 0001
06 3490001
027 4465352
Stuart.Hylton@wanganui.govt.nz
www.wanganui.govt.nz
101 Guyton Street
PO Box 637
Wanganui 4500
New Zealand

**peasea** · 28th July 2009, 19:22

Originally Posted by P38

Nah we are cool Dave
The Ulysses is welcome in Wangas

I wrote to the Council asking about our badge and this is the head honchos reply.

Ok here it is straight from the horses mouth.

The Ulysses Club Badge "IS WELCOME" in Wanganui.

Stuart Hylton has replied to my email as below.

Stuart is the Senior Policy Advisor/Deputy Manager for the Wanganui District Council.

Hi Peter

Your members will be pleased to know that they are not affected by the recently passed Prohibition of Gang Insignia Act in Wanganui. Here is the wording from the Act which specifically names gangs that are implicated by the prohibition by reason that they are or have been associated in unlawful activities within the District and their presence including wearing of gang patches is likely to be intimidating to residents in public places.

In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires,—
gang means—

(a) Black Power, Hells Angels, Magogs, Mothers, Mongrel

Mob, Nomads, or Tribesmen; and

(b) any other specified organisation, association, or group

of persons identified in a bylaw made under section 5

Hope this clarifies matters. We look forward to your members enjoying another awesome boxing day motorcycle racing this year in Wanganui.

Regards

Stuart Hylton
Senior Policy Advisor/Deputy Manager Policy
Wanganui District Council

06 349 0001
06 3490001
027 4465352
Stuart.Hylton@wanganui.govt.nz
www.wanganui.govt.nz
101 Guyton Street
PO Box 637
Wanganui 4500
New Zealand

Sweeeeeet! The Crochet Club is all good. The members will be in stitches.

**Ixion** · 28th July 2009, 19:30

Y' just fell outta y' chair again, didn' y'

**sinfull** · 28th July 2009, 19:30

Originally Posted by P38

Nah we are cool Dave
The Ulysses is welcome in Wangas

I wrote to the Council asking about our badge and this is the head honchos reply.

Ok here it is straight from the horses mouth.

The Ulysses Club Badge "IS WELCOME" in Wanganui.

Stuart Hylton has replied to my email as below.

Stuart is the Senior Policy Advisor/Deputy Manager for the Wanganui District Council.

Hi Peter

Your members will be pleased to know that they are not affected by the recently passed Prohibition of Gang Insignia Act in Wanganui. Here is the wording from the Act which specifically names gangs that are implicated by the prohibition by reason that they are or have been associated in unlawful activities within the District and their presence including wearing of gang patches is likely to be intimidating to residents in public places.

In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires,—
gang means—

(a) Black Power, Hells Angels, Magogs, Mothers, Mongrel

Mob, Nomads, or Tribesmen; and

(b) any other specified organisation, association, or group

of persons identified in a bylaw made under section 5

Hope this clarifies matters. We look forward to your members enjoying another awesome boxing day motorcycle racing this year in Wanganui.

Regards

Stuart Hylton
Senior Policy Advisor/Deputy Manager Policy
Wanganui District Council

06 349 0001
06 3490001
027 4465352
Stuart.Hylton@wanganui.govt.nz
www.wanganui.govt.nz
101 Guyton Street
PO Box 637
Wanganui 4500
New Zealand

Sweeeet so the cops wont tear any ulysses off their bikes, rip the patch off their back and kick the snot out of them, cause they are allowed to wear a patch in town !!!

**Usarka** · 28th July 2009, 19:32

Originally Posted by sinfull

Sweeeet so the cops wont tear any ulysses off their bikes, rip the patch off their back and kick the snot out of them, cause they are allowed to wear a patch in town !!!

Unless the mob start wearing ulysses patches.....

**peasea** · 28th July 2009, 19:33

Originally Posted by sinfull

Sweeeet so the cops wont tear any ulysses off their bikes, rip the patch off their back and kick the snot out of them, cause they are allowed to wear a patch in town !!!

Looks like it, discrimination if you ask me.

Wonder what would happen if the two factions got together? Would it be the Hellslysses or the Ulangels? Either way, would the patch be illegal or not?