Nigel Latta parenting show TV1 tonight.

**Headbanger** · 8th August 2009, 10:10

Originally Posted by mctshirt

Was that after you ran over him to score a another try at the end of season kids versus parents game? Fair call - no-one remembers who came second

Nah, running race through the supermarket. I usually win unless I crash into something.

**Goblin** · 8th August 2009, 10:41

Originally Posted by Winston001

I'm afraid I must disagree.

Laws reflect and bring about changed social attitudes. Its only 150 years ago that young children were sent up to clean chimneys.

Only 20 years ago, bum bandits hid in public toilets. It was incomprehensible to me as a schoolboy that one day homosexuality would be lawful.

A mere 10 years ago prostitution was illegal. Today there are brothels in the suburbs.

Similarly the Victorian ethic of physically punishing children has slowly eroded and the latest move with S.59 is just another signpost along the road.

150 years ago chimneys were big enough for children to get inside them to clean. These days you'd be lucky to get a bottle brush up there. (insert tounge in cheek smilie)

Bum bandits still hang around public toilets looking for bum sex. As a school kid I never knew anything about homosexuality...although I did think Hudson and Halls were a bit odd.

I never understood how a woman could be convicted for soliciting yet the men who payed them were not seen in anyway part of the problem. More like they were innocent victims of the ladies of the night. There may be brothels in the burbs these days but there always has been...only they were more discrete.

S.59 will never work because the people it's targeted at are the ones who dont give a rodent's rectum about any law.

I dont think all children should be smacked but it does work well for some. I found out through trail and error that smacking my youngest only made things worse. The only way I can deal with his bad behaviour is to ignore it. He hates that so changes his behaviour accordingly.

**The Stranger:Me** · 8th August 2009, 15:25

Originally Posted by Winston001

I'm afraid I must disagree.

Laws reflect and bring about changed social attitudes. Its only 150 years ago that young children were sent up to clean chimneys.

Only 20 years ago, bum bandits hid in public toilets. It was incomprehensible to me as a schoolboy that one day homosexuality would be lawful.

A mere 10 years ago prostitution was illegal. Today there are brothels in the suburbs.

Similarly the Victorian ethic of physically punishing children has slowly eroded and the latest move with S.59 is just another signpost along the road.

Say what?
I think you may have missed the message in Goblin's post.
She was saying the legslating against something doesn't stop it.
When hosexuality was against the law, did it still happen?
When prostitution was ilegal did it still happen?

So what exactly are you disagreeing with? Because it rather looks as though you have provided proof that she is correct.

**Winston001** · 8th August 2009, 20:03

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Say what?
I think you may have missed the message in Goblin's post.
She was saying the legslating against something doesn't stop it.
When hosexuality was against the law, did it still happen?
When prostitution was ilegal did it still happen?

So what exactly are you disagreeing with? Because it rather looks as though you have provided proof that she is correct.

LOL the delights and frustrations of internet discussions. I take your point.

Goblin was saying (as have others) that changing laws doesn't change behaviour. I disagree. Child labour is unlawful. Homosexuals used to hide themselves - now they are accepted. Etc.....

**The Stranger:Me** · 9th August 2009, 00:33

Originally Posted by Winston001

Homosexuals used to hide themselves - now they are accepted. Etc.....

Just because they no longer hide in the closet and instead strut their stuff openly doesn't mean honda riders are accepted.

**Winston001** · 9th August 2009, 01:03

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Just because they no longer hide in the closet and instead strut their stuff openly doesn't mean honda riders are accepted.

Certainly not.

Some of them even have the gall to post here...

**Clockwork** · 9th August 2009, 08:39

Originally Posted by Winston001

Ok. I'm generally pretty calm and don't get upset about stuff. However one thing I do feel passionate about is wilful and deliberate harm to children and animals.

The debate around S 59 and this curiously worded referendum has been fraught with misinformation.

Misinformation such as...

Originally Posted by Winston001

For the umpteenth time - a light smack is not unlawful in NZ.

Or perhaps such as implying that a "smack as part of good parental correction" equates to "deliberate harm"?

Originally Posted by Winston001

Yes - because the previous wording of Section 59 was too loose with the consequence that juries were confused. In those cases they acquitted.

However what it also meant is the police and crown prosecutors were reluctant to lay charges because of the loophole. The amendment closed that loophole.

...or implying that the juries in such cases were too stupid to understand section 59 and whether it was applicable to the case before them so it needed to be simplified for them?

Why would you make such an assumption? Because they didn't agree with you?

Sure, we're all entitled to form an opinion on the outcome of these cases, God knows I frequently disapprove of jury verdicts but the long and the short of it is that they sat through the case, witnessed the demeanour of the parties involved and were generally in a far better position to deliver their opinion than those of us living the case vicariously through the eyes of the media.

**Swoop** · 10th August 2009, 11:21

Originally Posted by Goblin

As a school kid I never knew anything about homosexuality...although I did think Hudson and Halls were a bit odd.

I wonder if they had a "naughty chair"...

**ready4whatever** · 10th August 2009, 13:22

please refer to my thread '2009 is crazy'

**Goblin** · 10th August 2009, 13:38

Originally Posted by Swoop

I wonder if they had a "naughty chair"...

More likely a "naughty stick".

**Winston001** · 19th August 2009, 21:10

So - looked like the last episode from Nigel Latta tonight but I missed most of it. Did he advocate smacking?

**Dave Lobster** · 20th August 2009, 06:14

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Yep, Morality merely reflects the fashion of the day.

Another 50 years, the world maybe at war, society may look for strength within the church and boomfa all those awesome things like man-love will be banned again......

Even society wont be that stupid, will it?