Advice needed on buying a smoker!

[Leyton]

I'll be taking a friends RS250 for a decent spin to see 2 stroke riding is for me...

Good on you man!

The smell of a 2-Stroke is bliss eh

[motorbyclist]

I'm a fan of the VFR400R but they're rare as rockinghorse shit.

wtf? they're available left right and fucking centre! admittedly a mint one is a bit harder to come by on trademe but any dealer can import one with their next container.

there's currently 4 NC30, 1 NC35, and a track NC30 all on trademe

also a fair few NSR250 with the sweet single swingarm the vfr also has

I find it hard to believe that they're really that fickle. Why would anyone own one if they were?

either ignorance, arrogance, or precisely because they're fickle. I fit the last category, got my two stroke all the way from nelson to auckland via the east cape, two up.

bike seized and holed a piston yesterday on my morning commute.

oh, and we were two up cause my mates bike seized about 1km down the road from where we left nelson

Ah the old "One of them somewhere dynoed at XX Horspower once so thats how much mine has!"

haha i wish - i got the rvf400 so only 53hp, on paper. the power starts at 6g rather than 8 like the vfr but they still had to shorten the gears to make up for the 10% loss on the vfr

just saying with enough money and HRC goodies, both the RS and VFR can pull over 70hp

[motorbyclist]

but I better keep it legal ....... I'll be taking a friends RS250 for a decent spin to see 2 stroke riding is for me...

good on ya on both counts

[NDORFN]

wtf? they're available left right and fucking centre! admittedly a mint one is a bit harder to come by on trademe but any dealer can import one with their next container.

there's currently 4 NC30, 1 NC35, and a track NC30 all on trademe

That's only 6 of them. My daughters rockinghorse shits more than that on the carpet in a day! (well, if that's where it's coming from). Not alot of selection there, 3 of them from the same dealer who like any dealer is overpriced. Is there anywhere else online other than Trademe for buying bikes? It's gone to shit. A year ago you could search any bike and get 20 results. No one wants to sell on there anymore because it costs so much now. I definately wouldn't buy a bike without inspecting so importing is out of the question unless I'm the one in Japan doing the buying. Having said all that, by the time I come to buying one, I'll most likely just front the dosh for the 2008 model and it would have to come from a dealer anyway. You know what? Owning a bike is MUCH cooler than buying a bike.

[Leyton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo-FcMs3c2o <---- OH that looks like FUN!!! Only fluffy white space to bin onto whilst you learn how to control a constant skid! hehe, Gyro is a wonderfull thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYRD5zy-jQ <---- Just a little gas on the balance point!! Oh deer...

[koba]

That's only 6 of them. My daughters rockinghorse shits more than that on the carpet in a day! (well, if that's where it's coming from). Not alot of selection there, 3 of them from the same dealer who like any dealer is overpriced. Is there anywhere else online other than Trademe for buying bikes? It's gone to shit. A year ago you could search any bike and get 20 results. No one wants to sell on there anymore because it costs so much now. I definately wouldn't buy a bike without inspecting so importing is out of the question unless I'm the one in Japan doing the buying. Having said all that, by the time I come to buying one, I'll most likely just front the dosh for the 2008 model and it would have to come from a dealer anyway. You know what? Owning a bike is MUCH cooler than buying a bike.

You are on to it though, the thing that really helps is not paying too much for one! Try offering cash to dealaers for less, if they have just got it in or its been sitting around for ages they may take a price tha is a fair bit lower.

[koba]

wtf? they're available left right and fucking centre! admittedly a mint one is a bit harder to come by on trademe but any dealer can import one with their next container.

there's currently 4 NC30, 1 NC35, and a track NC30 all on trademe

also a fair few NSR250 with the sweet single swingarm the vfr also has



either ignorance, arrogance, or precisely because they're fickle. I fit the last category, got my two stroke all the way from nelson to auckland via the east cape, two up.

bike seized and holed a piston yesterday on my morning commute.

oh, and we were two up cause my mates bike seized about 1km down the road from where we left nelson



haha i wish - i got the rvf400 so only 53hp, on paper. the power starts at 6g rather than 8 like the vfr but they still had to shorten the gears to make up for the 10% loss on the vfr

just saying with enough money and HRC goodies, both the RS and VFR can pull over 70hp

I've only had siezes on two strokes when somthing else has gone wrong.

I think that is the big thing with them, if a four stroke has a problem it runs shit until you go "Shit I've got a prob here.." and a two stoke gets a problem like an air leak in the induction tract and BANG!

I think this is a good reason to buy a Aprilia over an old (Cheap) RGV it is less likely to have niggly little problems that lead to bigger problems.

Did you work out what caused the sieze on your monring commute?




Oh I know that you probably know where things really sit but i have heard the 70hp totted out over and over again, often on trademe auctions. It is miss leading and just plain stupid!

I think that some of the yank 450 VFRs have been close to 100 and RGVs have seen in the 90's but both of course in the very high stages of race development. It is completley irrelevant to a roadbike for sale on trademe.

[koba]

I see you own a VFR400. THAT'S what I'd really like to get, more so a RVF400 like this one http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=232865004. Those bikes suit my riding style perfectly, but I better keep it legal until maybe Xmas or even save a little more and get the new model. I'll be taking a friends RS250 for a decent spin to see 2 stroke riding is for me... the mechanical maintenance and running costs are something I'll deal with as they come if the riding gets me off.

My VFR is not quite that nice!

They are great bikes, but so is a 250 two stroke. I would factor what you plan on doing with the bike and how much you ride it into working out whaich one is best
More frequent VFR/RVF better, Less frequent go for the smoker.

A nice RVF is probably a better bet than a '30 if you have the coin.
It looks like you factor residual value into your purchasing plans, the Aprilia and the RVF are both good on that count.

Perhaps you could buy a 250 (Pending a ride of course!) and ride that for a bit, put it on the market a month or so before you get your full and than try an RVF. If I bought an RVF it would be to keep.

[The Pastor]

go hit your head on a wall and come back.......hopefully you'l fell better after that

so I'm stupid enough to have a conversation with you?

[The Pastor]

just saying with enough money and HRC goodies, both the RS and VFR can pull over 70hp

dont for get the cbr250RR, that can also get over 70hp

[DELLORTO]

so I'm stupid enough to have a conversation with you?

i guess so!! no suprise there........

[motorbyclist]

I've only had siezes on two strokes when somthing else has gone wrong.

I think that is the big thing with them, if a four stroke has a problem it runs shit until you go "Shit I've got a prob here.." and a two stoke gets a problem like an air leak in the induction tract and BANG!

I think this is a good reason to buy a Aprilia over an old (Cheap) RGV it is less likely to have niggly little problems that lead to bigger problems.

sounds like a good reason to get a cheap two stroke to learn with before an expensive mistake... or get the four stroke

Did you work out what caused the sieze on your monring commute?

well, firstly it looks like detonation, but was running 98 so that's not likely unless there was something seriously wrong with the fuel (she made 2000km on crappy old 91 just fine!)

next, i was topped out wide open throttle on the motorway for the 5 minutes leading up to it, which i knew would have it running lean but again, she did the first few days before we confirmed this was a problem and had no damage....

the piston holed, and then seized by nipping the inlet port on an upstroke. wheel locked and took a but of effort to free the piston again too. There was no obvious power loss leading up to the event.

honestly, i think it was a heat and fuel combo, and maybe had something to do with my cleaning it the day prior. Oil, air and mix were all fine (actually a touch rich to be on the safe side) - but the crappy ol' slide carb tended to run a touch lean while sitting wide open and the heat probably caused the detonation. I don't think it was the plug directly melting the hole.

A nice RVF is probably a better bet than a '30 if you have the coin.
It looks like you factor residual value into your purchasing plans, the Aprilia and the RVF are both good on that count.

having owned an nc30 for some time before being "forced" into an upgrade to the nc35m (was either that or an r6), i can say the RVF is an all round nicer bike than the VFR - they fixed all the slight issues with the VFR (not that there really was any) and made the perfect bike better looking and nicer handling

dont for get the cbr250RR, that can also get over 70hp

nothing a turbo won't do eh?

i hear with a zxr set of USDs it can stop from 60kph within two metres!

[The Pastor]

2 strokes love the vaired throttle

[SMOKEU]

i hear with a zxr set of USDs it can stop from 60kph within two metres!

Any bike can stop from even 300kmh in 2 metres, just crash into a solid object.

[Leyton]

Any bike can stop from even 300kmh in 2 metres, just crash into a solid object.

2 Meters?, That is a long bike :P