Tougher conditions tipped for teen licences

**ready4whatever** · 10th August 2009, 09:36

its not age its the attitude that those youngans have at that age which seems like age is the problem..? the problem is they feel too cool when they drive around with a bunch of mates in their 'suped up' car straight out of japan that the bank owns.
dont you know the formula for brain usage, its 1 brain divided by the amount of teens, e.g 2 teens half a brain between them, and so on

**CookMySock** · 10th August 2009, 09:48

Originally Posted by bogan

this thread is about the high death rates for young drivers, thats a pretty big consequence. The same mentality of "it'll never happen to me" will probably transfer to "ill never get caught" if the fines etc are increased. I think the motivation of young people who speed excessively and drive dangerously needs to be thouroughly looked into and addressed.

There isn't any "motivation". It's just too much fun, and as you say, it will never happen to them as they are wayy sk1llrd. You are never going to change that, so it misguided trying to.

The same happens for you or I when we squeeze the throttle leading onto a nice straight and that inline four howl starts to build, it's just that we are beginning to understand how vulnerable we are. Teens do not, and they are not going to. Sometimes we oldies do not either, but we feel it inside when we know we were or are close to pain and loss - teens, again, do not. They just feel the buzz and it builds more towards their invincibility.

You can even show them horrific movies about car crashes, and all that does is glorify it more. Worse? Yup.

Steve

**Jonno.** · 10th August 2009, 09:56

keep driving age at 15, increase restricted age. make insurance compulsory eg more speeding tickets and accidents plus skyline equals high or no insurance. change fines with pd. parents need to take responsibility for their childre.

**bogan** · 10th August 2009, 10:16

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

There isn't any "motivation". It's just too much fun, and as you say, it will never happen to them as they are wayy sk1llrd. You are never going to change that, so it misguided trying to.

The same happens for you or I when we squeeze the throttle leading onto a nice straight and that inline four howl starts to build, it's just that we are beginning to understand how vulnerable we are. Teens do not, and they are not going to. Sometimes we oldies do not either, but we feel it inside when we know we were or are close to pain and loss - teens, again, do not. They just feel the buzz and it builds more towards their invincibility.

You can even show them horrific movies about car crashes, and all that does is glorify it more. Worse? Yup.

Steve

Unfortunately, thats probly true in some cases, though most teens (where i come from anyway) are affected by the facts and horrific vids and drive better because of them.

I still dont beleive raising the driving age will greatly change the accident rate, all it will do is raise the age of the high risk age group, learner drivers are always gonna be shit, and it may even be better to learn while still at home under decent parental guidance, rather than learn to drive with slightly older mates.

**Genestho** · 10th August 2009, 10:52

I think youff are the same now as have always been. If it's forbidden - do it. If it's fast - crank it. No different now to what has always been.
Part of evolution, learn from mistakes and all that. It's not till you have kids, things to loose, or go through something that you learn this behaviour is dumb.

These 37% didn't get a chance to learn.

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

You can even show them horrific movies about car crashes, and all that does is glorify it more. Worse? Yup.

Steve

I can safely disagree with that Steve, being in the coalface - I've had a room full of teens in tears.
And come up, shake my hand and thank me for it after.
They realised the consequences of their actions do impact many.
I still get emails from kids that say a certain song reminds them of my husbands and friends deaths.

That tells me - it still makes them think, they know drink driving is stupid and shameful.

Putting faces and a real story to stats, explaining the real consequences of innocent death - particularly in my husbands case who was aware of what was going on around him, did try to hang on, but knew he would die. The shame, loss and grief.
These are far and long reaching consequences.

**CookMySock** · 10th August 2009, 11:04

Originally Posted by T.G.W

I can safely disagree with that Steve, being in the coalface - I've had a room full of teens in tears. And come up, shake my hand and thank me for it after.

Well, thank you. Sometimes I am wrong.

I'm glad I'm wrong on this one.

Steve

**StoneY** · 10th August 2009, 11:56

Originally Posted by p.dath

Making alcohol harder to get will help with one of the issues. But what do you do about speed?

Maybe make the penalties for young speeders more severe? Perhaps an automatic 7 day suspension on your first speeding offence while on a learners? 2nd offence 30 days, 3rd offence 1 year and confiscation of vehicle for 30 days.
Perhaps make the penalty so severe that leaners wont risk speeding?

NOW thats GOOD thinking
I freely admit at 39 years, its easy to say, at age 18 I had a VIP Valiant with a 360 ci V8- somehow I survived- guess Dad taught me well

The age is not the issue the practices incorporated and care the parents take in educating thier young hoons- but alas with so much cheap horsepower and congested rioads there is no easy answer to this issue

**idb** · 10th August 2009, 12:26

I hate young people

**Ixion** · 10th August 2009, 12:31

I hate old people.

But youth is wasted on youff, they don't know how to enjoy it, all going emo all over the shop.

Why is everybody so hung up on a few youff's get killed off? We used to send them off to wars and kill them by the tens and hundreds of thousands (millions , even , in the Muddle East).

Now we ain't got any convenient wars , so the roads have to serve instead.

It's not like there aren't plenty of replacements.

And if we run short I could always make a few more.

**Swoop** · 10th August 2009, 12:40

I note that "Driver contribrution to fatal crashes" includes "Failed to keep left" as a cause. It rates as number 5 on a list out of 20 accident causes.

I find it interesting that the "keep left unless passing" law is totally ignored by enforcement personnell when it rates that highly.

**SPman** · 10th August 2009, 15:16

Originally Posted by crazygeegee

When I grew up, we were driving things like Morris minors, Hilman Imps, Mini's etc. Very safe cars compared to the boy racer shit out there that these kids drive

Yeah - but we drove them as though they were racecars.......
Safe! Ever tried an Austin 7 with different sized wheels at 55 mph on a bumpy main highway - not knowing which direction the rudimentary suspension would throw the car across the road! If it bounced the wrong way with an oncoming car it would have been all over! Ford Populars and V8 coupes that would tend to fall over if you cornered too hard. The only way they were "safe" was that they didn't have much grunt - dangerous in it's own way - tried passing uphill in an 850 Mini....it takes a loooooong time.
Safety is all relative - youfs were being killed as regularly when I was young as they are now, and just as spectactularly - Mark 1 Zephyrs against power poles was a favourite for a while.....
Car restrictions are all well and fine, but, those who are inclined to do so, will kill themselves just as effectively in a low powered heap car - a high powered car just lets it happen a bit quicker!

**Morcs** · 10th August 2009, 15:29

They should raise the age limit as there is no controls over what a 15 year old can drive - if one has the money to buy it, a 15 year old can go and buy a V8 and a uber turbo jappa - not a nice thought when on a motorcycle.

In the UK, the driving age is 17. This is fine, as although there are a lot of fuckwits, there are pretty much restricted to 1.1L cars unless they have oodles of cash, as the mandatory insurance third party often costs as much as your average shit car.

**Ixion** · 10th August 2009, 16:33

Whilst wandering east of Ealing Broadway I happened across this

Willy said it well, as usual

Originally Posted by Willy

I would there were no age between sixteen and three-and-twenty,
or that youth would sleep out the rest;
for there is nothing in the between
but getting wenches with child, wronging the ancientry, stealing, fighting.

Trying to keep young men "safe" is a BadThing for society. Evolution hasn't programmed them for "safety". That's a chick notion.

Young men NEED fast cars; or wars; or killing lions. It's how they prove their manhood, show off to the chicks (don't knock it, it's the whole basis of evolution). Make young men safe and you destroy the future of the human race. You monster!

Some of them get killed, that's Nature's toll. Pay it or the species goes extinct!

**Genestho** · 10th August 2009, 17:19

Originally Posted by Ixion

Whilst wandering east of Ealing Broadway I happened across this

Willy said it well, as usual

Trying to keep young men "safe" is a BadThing for society. Evolution hasn't programmed them for "safety". That's a chick notion.

Young men NEED fast cars; or wars; or killing lions. It's how they prove their manhood, show off to the chicks (don't knock it, it's the whole basis of evolution). Make young men safe and you destroy the future of the human race. You monster!

Some of them get killed, that's Nature's toll. Pay it or the species goes extinct!

Put that in your submission sir!