WTF, new rego costs!

**Robert Taylor** · 11th August 2009, 19:15

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll

Blame the weekend MX riders and farmers: You get to pay for the ACC charges covering their accidents in addition to actual on road prangs

Think about it:

Bruised and broken person heads to Doc. Doc asks what happened, Farmer and weekend MX riders who may not even ride road bikes say: "I fell off my motorcycle"

Doc writes as ACC claim. Now how many weekend MX accidents do you think there are compared to actual road crashes??

Is there anyone there who can confirm that this is how it works?

Got to agree with the basic intent of what you say, I think that if you are engaged in such sports you should have your own seperate insurance cover.

Also having been invloved with farm ATVs for too many years I can quote too many examples of insurance and acc payments re farm quad accidents. Cause of accidents too often included bald tyres and / or no brakes.

**skidMark** · 11th August 2009, 19:16

Fair call... scooter riders are still doing 50-60 kph... in no riding gear except generally an open face helmet, they cant ride for shit usually... they bin get seriously fucked up and it hikes our acc levis, give them back thier own fucking acc levi's i say.

**idleidolidyll** · 11th August 2009, 19:17

Originally Posted by MDR2

Theres a spot on the ACC45 form that asks 'Did the accident happen on a public road' Yes/No

How the weekend mx and farmers are funded i have not yet been able to find out.

i may just stand corrected; thanks MDR2

i wonder if the tabulators actually use that answer when looking for places to charge for the repair bills? maybe i'm just an old cynic

**idleidolidyll** · 11th August 2009, 19:18

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Got to agree with the basic intent of what you say, I think that if you are engaged in such sports you should have your own seperate insurance cover.

Also having been invloved with farm ATVs for too many years I can quote too many examples of insurance and acc payments re farm quad accidents. Cause of accidents too often included bald tyres and / or no brakes.

Oh shit, the world must be ending; me and bob agree on summit..................

**idleidolidyll** · 11th August 2009, 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDR2

the number 1 cause of bike crashes recorded is rider error.

I'll find it if I can

Originally Posted by scumdog

My experince points to that too.

Hope you can publish the figures.

Then again the lyin cheatin coppers always say speed was a major factor even when it wasn't; can you believe what bureaucrats write?

**scumdog** · 11th August 2009, 19:23

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDR2

the number 1 cause of bike crashes recorded is rider error.

I'll find it if I can

Then again the lyin cheatin coppers always say speed was a major factor even when it wasn't; can you believe what bureaucrats write?

Get a grip, all I want to know is how many crashes involve a vehicle other than the bike that crashed.

**Squiggles** · 11th August 2009, 19:24

Originally Posted by scumdog

Has anybody got the figures of car vs bike compared to bike crashes where only the bike was involved?

I suspect Katman may not be too far off the mark.....

Im feeling the love linking to myself.... Posted here

On page 4, Motorcyclist Fault in crashes 2003-2007:

Single vehicle rider at Fault: 26%
Single vehicle no rider fault ID'd: 3%
Multi vehicle primary responsibility: 25%
Multi vehicle partial responsibility: 7%
Multi vehicle, no rider fault ID'd: 39%

**scumdog** · 11th August 2009, 19:27

Originally Posted by Squiggles

Im feeling the love linking to myself.... Posted here

On page 4, Motorcyclist Fault in crashes 2003-2007:

Single vehicle rider at Fault: 26%
Single vehicle no rider fault ID'd: 3%
Multi vehicle primary responsibility: 25%
Multi vehicle partial responsibility: 7%
Multi vehicle, no rider fault ID'd: 39%

So 39% involving a collision and the rider not at fault, very interesting.

My 'hands on' experience has been different to that but I'm not in a large cosmopolitan area.

**MDR2** · 11th August 2009, 19:29

Originally Posted by Squiggles

Im feeling the love linking to myself.... Posted here

On page 4, Motorcyclist Fault in crashes 2003-2007:

Single vehicle rider at Fault: 26%
Single vehicle no rider fault ID'd: 3%
Multi vehicle primary responsibility: 25%
Multi vehicle partial responsibility: 7%
Multi vehicle, no rider fault ID'd: 39%

bitch, i just wasted 10 mins looking for that thread!

Start of thread here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...r+fault&page=1

**Katman** · 11th August 2009, 19:37

Originally Posted by scumdog

So 39% involving a collision and the rider not at fault, very interesting.

My 'hands on' experience has been different to that but I'm not in a large cosmopolitan area.

Trouble is, that 39% includes the motorcyclists that have a collision that they could have in fact avoided - even though technically they might not have been at fault.

**phaedrus01** · 11th August 2009, 19:46

yeah I gotta agree 'bout the majority of scooter riders out there. I often feel waaay out of place wearing ATG on my scooter while I'm in the process of saving up for a proper bike.
Just today i was riding home and was riding alongside a chick with skirt on cruising along with only one hand on the throttle for quite some time. Ummm duh hello, Some people are almost to thick to be alive!!

**inlinefour** · 12th August 2009, 19:04

Originally Posted by danchop

it does make me feel a bit cautious when travelling by myself,i was stopped on one occassion at a checkpoint about 2006/07 and still had my 03 expiry sticker on,shitted myself but the cop just did a breathtest,looked at rego but he must just have looked at the month not year?didnt worry about wof and sent me on my way,but really i only take it on group rides now cause i have the safe feeling of being in a pack

Thinking back on how I used to ride on the cbr600rr or drz400e down the back roads, with or without other riders. Im buggered if I would be riding without being road legal as it is required for full insurance. It cost 16K for the bike, which I would be disappointed if I dropped. Ive seen the end result of a few offs involving other vehicles. One was head on and I had to lie down in the ditch, with a smashed up rider, the bike was smashed all the road, over about 15m (I think, others that was there might be able to comment further). Not only was the bike written off and not really much use, even for parts, but the car was written off also. Im buggered if I would want the bill of that car as well as the bike, once the insurance company caught up with me and took me to court. I pray that never happens to you, but your risking a bite in the wallet also. You could obviously afford the bike, why cant you afford to ride legally?

Originally Posted by phaedrus01

yeah I gotta agree 'bout the majority of scooter riders out there. I often feel waaay out of place wearing ATG on my scooter while I'm in the process of saving up for a proper bike.
Just today i was riding home and was riding alongside a chick with skirt on cruising along with only one hand on the throttle for quite some time. Ummm duh hello, Some people are almost to thick to be alive!!

I must admit that I allways wore safety orientated clothing, codura, kevlar, leather, boots or what ever makes up the helmet. Ive ridden along on either of my bike with only one hand on the handle bars. It was not the norm, but does that make me just as thick as her? I agree that Ive seen some nice potang on scooters with very little on, which IMO is unwise, but its a good way to get me to slow down.

Originally Posted by skidMark

Fair call... scooter riders are still doing 50-60 kph... in no riding gear except generally an open face helmet, they cant ride for shit usually... they bin get seriously fucked up and it hikes our acc levis, give them back thier own fucking acc levi's i say.

What are you talking about Willis??? I used to borrow Donna's magic and when I could get away with it pull a nice stoppie. I wouldnt say scooter riders are she-art riders usually, as I know so many that have a decent motorcycle(s) also.

**Digitdion** · 12th August 2009, 21:30

Only one option boys and girls. Earn as much _ash as possible. Not that I could do it. But the money you save in tax you still give to john Key in Crazy rego fees. So you would be even. Thats fair, don't you think?

**JMemonic** · 12th August 2009, 22:58

Originally Posted by Katman

There are some seriously deluded motorcyclists out there.

Ok I understand where you are coming from but scenario for you,

MC indicating to turn right, and in right hand lane, car in straight through lane literally dives over into the right lane and proceeds to turn right on top of the MC pushing it into the traffic island.

In this situation it could have been a bike involved in a solo accident with the car just continuing on or the claim made that the motorcyclist was in the wrong and attempted to overtake a turning vehicle depending on statements, and if the rider in in hospital in a coma as they ended up getting hit by the cars coming from the other direction at high speed where will the finger be pointed ?

Cant happen? Sounds like B/S? Well it dam near happened about 1 hour ago in Christchurch, I got a wee bit lucky and had planned room to move.

**JMemonic** · 12th August 2009, 23:00

Originally Posted by Katman

Trouble is, that 39% includes the motorcyclists that have a collision that they could have in fact avoided - even though technically they might not have been at fault.

Camper vans of course dont count.