Law change - Daytime headlights and ban on handheld devices

**p.dath** · 13th August 2009, 18:09

Originally Posted by duckonin

The power gurus are back into it, coming up with more non enforceable bits of legislation, cell phones that is..First they (police) have to catch the offender and prove they were using the mp.....The meaning is all good though...

Headlights on for MB's yep,but then not many ride now without having them on..

I think you'll find rather than looking for people to pull over it will be used as an additional aide to fine people in dubious circumstances.

For example, someone has an accident using a cell phone. Rather than a generic change of careless driving they can probably be charged with the more specific cell phone legislation.

Or if the Police see someone weaving across the lanes they can stop and fine them. It just makes it easier for them when there is a specific offence rather than using a blanket all law (like careless driving).

**Max Preload** · 13th August 2009, 18:09

Originally Posted by gegvasco

They often veer all over and often out of their lane. Their speed control is appalling which means they are often speeding without knowing it (which even goes against many motorcyclist's justification for it) and often fall below the speed limit thereby holding everyone else up. They don't look properly before they change lanes or pull out because they are too busy having an argument with their spouse about what's for dinner.

Because they're veering and slowing they've stood out so you've looked to see why. For every one of them, there are plenty who are talking on their phone and aren't doing any of those things.

**munterk6** · 13th August 2009, 18:10

I guess your insurance wont pay out if you have a prang whilst talkin on the celphone....GOOD

**Aaron_newrider** · 13th August 2009, 18:14

There are much more important motorcycle laws that need to be changed, other the "ride with your headlight on". Such as the 70k Learner rule and more rider training laws for younger riders.

My 2c.

**BiK3RChiK** · 13th August 2009, 18:14

Originally Posted by munterk6

I guess your insurance wont pay out if you have a prang whilst talkin on the celphone....GOOD

Good point! Another out for insurance companies....

**James Deuce** · 13th August 2009, 18:18

Originally Posted by Max Preload

They can - oxidation and deformation of the filiment. Will they? Most likely not unless it's a death or serious injury.

Easiest way to prevent the he said/she said would be have an automatic headlight relay that by-passes the switch if your bike isn't always lights on from factory.

Thta's not the point being discussed. Insurance Companies are looking for excuses to not pay out and will accept the word of an unreliable witness over hard-wired on from the factory headlights.

**Rayray401** · 13th August 2009, 18:19

Just to make this clear, they do mean that as long as you talk on speakerphone/handsfree system its still ok right?

**James Deuce** · 13th August 2009, 18:21

Originally Posted by Rayray401

Just to make this clear, they do mean that as long as you talk on speakerphone/handsfree system its still ok right?

Hands-free kit only. Speakerphone on a handheld is still out.

**Ragingrob** · 13th August 2009, 18:23

How can a cop prove that you had a cellphone in your hand when you were "simply scratching my head"?

How would a cop see the teen texting down by his lap?

Is reading a text counted as "texting"?

What are they gonna ban next, talking to the passenger?

So women can still put on their makeup while driving?

People can still devote most of their concentration on changing the song on their ipod touch?

Dumbass law.

**Ragingrob** · 13th August 2009, 18:25

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Hands-free kit only. Speakerphone on a handheld is still out.

How they hell would they distinguish those in terms of pulling people over?!?!

**zeocen** · 13th August 2009, 18:27

I can see where you're coming from, however I don't think that it's a finite argument on us becoming 100% concealed, if we're being hidden then we should take it upon ourselves to make sure we're not hidden, I find simply obeying the two second rule gives me enough room behind the current vehicle to be seen by on-comers, I'm sure there are also other ways to go about being seen if you are worried about drivers not seeing your headlights amongst others.

**James Deuce** · 13th August 2009, 18:27

Originally Posted by Ragingrob

How can a cop prove that you had a cellphone in your hand when you were "simply scratching my head"? I don't like it when other people scratch my head when I'm driving. How DO you put up with it?

How would a cop see the teen texting down by his lap? Yes - the phone would be visible under the floor of the car.

Is reading a text counted as "texting"? Yes.

What are they gonna ban next, talking to the passenger? I'm working on it. It's worse than using the phone.

So women can still put on their makeup while driving? Yes. Women have special rights in NZ.

People can still devote most of their concentration on changing the song on their ipod touch? That's different, music is more important than life itself.

Dumbass law. Of course. It's written to protect dumb-arses.

Laws are cool.