Bad technique = Less bike potential?

[ckai]

Did you know they have set their date for this years training day?

Na I didn't but, as soon as I read this I was on the site and got the form. Definitely doing this again. It's a shame the wife will be 7 months pregnant because she really wanted to do it from what I said last year. I'm sure she'll still be able to get on the bike! hahah

[The Pastor]

When in doubt power out

[The Stranger:Me]

Bad technique = Less bike potential?

Yes, bad technique does = less bike potential.

[grbaker]

Think about it after you are out of the corner.

You are going to get better just by riding more... and screwing it up occasionally is normal. Trick is to learn what you and your ride are cabable of together.

I recommend the Masterton to Riversdale trip as a good cornering learner ride... less traffic, lots of curves (also 36 from Turanga to Rotorua & 3 Te Kuiti to New Plymouth).

After a while you will find your 250 ride limiting your desired outcome and its time for something new.

[ckai]

Yes, bad technique does = less bike potential.

And there it is. I did think as much. Although, from what I've picked up on what everyone is saying, and knowing my own ability, I think in my case it's a confidence thing of knowing the bike can do it. I know enough about technique to know to keep things smooth through the entire corner.

For a complete green newbie, telling them to go for it because the bike would be able to handle it, is totally the wrong thing if you know they have shocking skill.

Think about it after you are out of the corner.

You are going to get better just by riding more... and screwing it up occasionally is normal. Trick is to learn what you and your ride are cabable of together.

I recommend the Masterton to Riversdale trip as a good cornering learner ride... less traffic, lots of curves (also 36 from Turanga to Rotorua & 3 Te Kuiti to New Plymouth).

After a while you will find your 250 ride limiting your desired outcome and its time for something new.

Already moved on from the 250. As I mentioned I'm a middle of the road rider. Not new enough to say I'm experienced and not experienced enough to know enough

Haven't done the Masterton trip but the other 2 I have and agree with you that they've got some good corners.

Too true about the thinking after the corner. I've worked that one out pretty early on.

[The Stranger:Me]

For a complete green newbie, telling them to go for it because the bike would be able to handle it, is totally the wrong thing if you know they have shocking skill.

Well not exactly.
I wouldn't advocate "going for it" as a noob, but if you are for example midway through a corner and think you are on the limit, being a noob, you probably aren't, so yes the best option in this situation is probably to "go for it".

But that doesn't change my answer. Bad technique does = less bike potential.
Braking through the corner, counter leaning, bad lines etc can all affect what the bike can do in the corner.

[Mikkel]

One word: Causality.

No matter what an idiot you are it won't affect the potential of the bike... (bad setup will, but I doubt that has anything to do with what this discussion is about)

Just like buying a more capable bike won't turn you into a Rossi or a Stoner. Eventhough it might make you go faster around the next corner, but that's a non-issue.

[StoneY]

I never has any track days as yet- but did do a course in my teens (so long ago) but the shit learned there saved my life at least 4x in the last 25 years- once just last week on the Hill

Training- beats instinct any day, coz Physics rules the real world, not our perceptions

[ducatilover]

When in doubt power out

I agree, getting on the brakes or completely backing off the throttle through a corner may over load the front. Basically don't push harder than you are comfortable, go in a tiny bit slow and exit fast Just keep it calm and not adrenaline spaz style and be smooooooth! And enjoy yourself, or we will kill you

[CookMySock]

No matter what an idiot you are it won't affect the potential of the bike...

Er, not quite. If the rider begins the turn with his weight already outside the centreline of the bike, and then gets a fright and sits up straight, he will sacrifice 50% of his cornering ability.

Steve

[ducatilover]

Er, not quite. If the rider begins the turn with his weight already outside the centreline of the bike, and then gets a fright and sits up straight, he will sacrifice 50% of his cornering ability.

Steve

And half the skin on his body

[The Stranger:Me]

Er, not quite. If the rider begins the turn with his weight already outside the centreline of the bike, and then gets a fright and sits up straight, he will sacrifice 50% of his cornering ability.

Steve

He did say "Causality"
Those comments were addressing the question, not the intent.
I think somehow the OP already well knew the answer to the question, but wanted assurance as to the intent of the question.

[Crisis management]

Never give up. So yes, if your in a corner and it looks bad, don't give up and turn harder.

For your amusement and as an illustration of the idea "never give up".....

A couple of weeks ago I was tottering down a back road (adventure riding, so we're talking gravelly muddy stuff) around Lake Waikaremoana and found myself sliding gracefully across a concrete bridge, the bikes front end had washed out on some loose gravel on the surface and decided to lie down.
As I was merrily following the bike along hanging on to the throttle I remember thinking "If I just ease on some more throttle the rear will break loose and I'll get some traction on the front and I should be able to ride this out", reality and a fit of laughing made me give this idea up and I let go.

However, the point is, you need to get to that mental state where you are always looking for the next thing to do, whether it's avoiding a pothole or cranking the bike over, everytime you ride, look for alternative actions you can take, it's surprising how much choice you have. Don't be the guy that says "I don't know what happened, it just crashed".

Iain

[ckai]

He did say "Causality"
Those comments were addressing the question, not the intent.
I think somehow the OP already well knew the answer to the question, but wanted assurance as to the intent of the question.

It was 50/50. But you're right, I was looking for assurance. I was seeing it from both sides so I wanted to know which side to take. I didn't really know the answer but I had a suspension.

However, the point is, you need to get to that mental state where you are always looking for the next thing to do, whether it's avoiding a pothole or cranking the bike over, everytime you ride, look for alternative actions you can take, it's surprising how much choice you have. Don't be the guy that says "I don't know what happened, it just crashed".

Iain

Totally agree. I've been told from people I ride with direct examples of this.