Rich families rort the system -FFS!

[MotoGirl]

That example would relate to NEED and SURVIVAL obviously.

I don't think these are issues in MotoGirl's case. She's just helping herself because she can and the people she's ripping off are faceless

Why do assume that I am ripping anyone off? I don't have kids so I'm obviously not claiming anything from Working for Families. Your claims that I'm stealing from Joe Public are nothing but written diahorrea.

I won’t apologise on behalf of those who do take a piece of the pie and, who in your mind, are thieving, deceitful scumbags. You’ll not find me being sympathetic to bludgers who aren't prepared to help themselves by getting of their arses and getting a job. You may find it acceptable that beneficiaries can have a higher standard of living than us workers but I don’t.

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Why do assume that I am ripping anyone off? I don't have kids so I'm obviously not claiming anything from Working for Families. Your claims that I'm stealing from Joe Public are nothing but written diahorrea.

I won’t apologise on behalf of those who do take a piece of the pie and, who in your mind, are thieving, deceitful scumbags. You’ll not find me being sympathetic to bludgers who aren't prepared to help themselves by getting of their arses and getting a job. You may find it acceptable that beneficiaries can have a higher standard of living than us workers but I don’t.

Your statements support those who are. From what I've read, I don't doubt that you would claim if you could.

If you think really do think that living on the DPB is riding the gravy train - why aren't you doing it? As a utilitarian (who apparently believes that beneficaries have a higher standard of living than you), I'm surprised you haven't signed up already

[Hitcher]

I don't think these are issues in MotoGirl's case. She's just helping herself because she can and the people she's ripping off are faceless

On the subject of facelessness, at this stage I think you should either apologise for impugning MotoGirl's reputation, or provide us all with proof that you have never once, wittingly or unwittingly, received any form of payment or gratuity to which you were not entitled, from the state or whomever.

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On the subject of facelessness, at this stage I think you should either apologise for impugning MotoGirl's reputation, or provide us all with proof that you have never once, wittingly or unwittingly, received any form of , from the state or whomever.

Sure......MotoGirl I apologise for suggesting that you have actually been claiming from Working for Families. The staunchness in way you defended the behaviour of those people who are doing just this, led me to believe that you were doing so yourself. However, your line of argument shows that that is exactly what you would do if you were in a position to do so. And to defend this "entitlement" is still a repugnant act in itself.


To you Hitcher - I see you've shyed away from any kind of position on these matters, choosing instead to take pot shots at me. Fine. And no, I won't ask you for an apology for your cheap shots either. I wonder why one (who is normally so forthright and big mouthed) has gone quiet on this subject, instead falling back on personal discrediting games


I haven't provided you with proof that I haven't "received payment or gratuity to which I am not entitled" because I can't (how the fuck could anyone do that on a forum?) However I can say that I am an honest person who has worked for what I have and that I have too much integrity and respect for others, than to take what I know (morally) I have no right to.

Can you say the same?

[boomer]

Sure......MotoGirl I apologise for suggesting .....However, your line of argument shows that that is exactly what you would do if you were in a position to do so. And to defend this "entitlement" is still a repugnant act.

ahahhahahahahahahha

[MisterD]

I'm saying it's a responsiblity - part of a social contract that entitles one to contribute in order to receive the benefits of a civilised society.

There is no such thing as a "social contract"...taxes are taken on an "or else" basis.

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ahahhahahahahahahha

It's easy to slice the comment away from it's context. Do you really think I care about the sentiments of a moron expressed through an emoticon?

[Ixion]

Any inference drawn is yours.

Are you saying that taxation isn't theft?

What a silly statement. Of course taxation is not theft. Not in a democracy anyway. It's an admission charge, the charge you pay for being a member of that society and enjoying its benefits.

Don't want to pay it? Either persuade the rest of the society to change it (we call that voting); or go away somewhere else.

It's no more theft than a cinema charging you to go in.

Whether the charges are FAIR may be another matter. Once they become too unfair there is usually an eventual rebellion : in NZ's case, refer Mr Douglas. For the UK Mrs Thatcher.

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There is no such thing as a "social contract"...taxes are taken on an "or else" basis.

Refer to the post above. Eloquently put BTW Ixion

[MisterD]

Refer to the post above. Eloquently put BTW Ixion

A contract is something freely entered into, just because I suck up the forced appropriation of my hard-earned to live in this country, does not make me party to a contract...it makes me the victim of a protection racket.

[boomer]

It's easy to slice the comment away from it's context. I do you really think I care about the sentiments of a moron expressed through an emoticon?

your apology was double sided.. at best.

like you; it had no meaning.

[boomer]

...enjoying its benefits.

Unfortunately everyone gets these benefits no matter how much they get deducted. In fact.. you get to enjoy the benefits that cost additional $$ if you pay no tax in the first place.


Pretty fooked up if you ask me; especially as the only real attractions in NZ are those that are fookin free.. the stuff the governments have provided are less than shit house standard compared to the rest of the world..!

[RantyDave]

Tax is taking what you earned from you. A tax cut is taking less of what you earned from you. A hand out is something you didn't earn, but someone else did, so you are taking from your friends and family.

I guess, then, it depends on your definition of handout. In this case we are talking about people who are earning, paying tax, and then getting some amount back via "working for families" - which is a tax credit and not a 'cash in hand' at all.

So, yeah, I guess my terminology is wrong and I was actually questioning whether or not someone would refuse a tax credit. In my case, nope

Dave

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A contract is something freely entered into, just because I suck up the forced appropriation of my hard-earned to live in this country, does not make me party to a contract...it makes me the victim of a protection racket.

You can exit out of it freely by fucking off to live in the jungle with other like minded creatures...

Either that or convince enough KBers and whoever else you'd need to vote for the ACT party.

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like you; it had no meaning.

For a person of no import or meaning, I sure seem attractive to you.

Twice now you've threatened (?) promised (?) to ignore me and it's yet to happen.


Moron