People peddling bullshit as fact on KB

[Edbear]

I have seen some very important and valuable advice on KB, and then there's opinions, then there's BS.

IMO - The onus must be on "you" to find out facts.

But, but, surely you're not recommending... personal responsibility...

[Disco Dan]

knucklehead that advised someone else to spray CRC on their brake disk to quieten down the squeaking.

Dont forget the classic - wet look tire shine spray !

[ital916]

If you drop your helmet, or have a crash but don't hit your head, you should immediately replace your helmet. Makes sense - if it's been rigorously designed to protect your head when it hits something at high speed, then surely a minor knock will completely bugger it?

"this food may contain traces of peanuts"

The helmet thing is exactly the same. It is about liability. I have seen manufacturers stating that helmets dropped from about fifteen centimetres can have a detrimental affect on their protetive capabilities let alone dropping it off a seat or off a wing mirror *for those that hang it on them*. It covers them from someone going after them after mistreating their helmet.

Personally, I dont roll, drop or knock my helmets and treat them very carefully. Common sense would prevail hopefully, I advise customers getting into riding for the first time to be extra careful with their helmets and not to treat them like bowling balls. Again, one cant hold their hands, they must use their common sense.

As for the small knock damaging the helmet. You would be suprised the damage a "small" knock can do.

[FROSTY:Me]

I have seen some very important and valuable advice on KB, and then there's opinions, then there's BS.

IMO - The onus must be on "you" to find out facts.

Thereing lies the issue I had way back when. The person asking the question is of questionable experience --BY that I mean it could be a 12 year old kid with no mechanical knowledge or it could be a mechanical engineer with 30 years trade experience. You just don't know.
I've always maintained there needs to be two seperate "sections" to KB
The playground and the classroom so to speak. --Do what you wan't and basicly say what you want out in the playground. In the classroom its about facts not "myths'

[slofox]

"this food may contain traces of peanuts"

The helmet thing is exactly the same. It is about liability. I have seen manufacturers stating that helmets dropped from about fifteen centimetres can have a detrimental affect on their protetive capabilities let alone dropping it off a seat or off a wing mirror *for those that hang it on them*. It covers them from someone going after them after mistreating their helmet.

Personally, I dont roll, drop or knock my helmets and treat them very carefully. Common sense would prevail hopefully, I advise customers getting into riding for the first time to be extra careful with their helmets and not to treat them like bowling balls. Again, one cant hold their hands, they must use their common sense.

As for the small knock damaging the helmet. You would be suprised the damage a "small" knock can do.

This linky is very good re dropping helmets...and other helmetty stuff...

[Crisis management]

You have a valid point Viff but after all, it is the interweeb and there are no quarantees of you getting the correct answer to your question. I have to admit to the odd sarcastic comment to some questions I come across and have got into a heap of trouble on another site by offering a wryly sarcastic response to a query over ABS...those yanks have absolutely no sense of humour.
We don't purport to be a free advice service to n00bs, asking a question here is the same as asking a bunch of strangers, you will get a response based on their state of mind and experience. It is up to the questioner to evaluate the responses and decide what to do.
Having said that, I would hope no one would deliberately mislead anyone.

Do I have to add any emoticon to show that this is a serious post?

[vifferman]

Do I have to add any emoticon to show that this is a serious post?

I don't think we have one of those...
Unless it's this serious looking dude:
Or this obviously righteous one:
Or perhaps this learned one

I take your point (and it left a slight red mark on my skin - ow!)
But (however!) I'm a bit grumpy this morning and one particular post got my goat because - like many other posts - the person resorted to emotive language rather than fact to press his point.
And he was worngA! However (but!) he was so emphatic, that he had me disbelieving what I'd held to be true, so I did some checking.
Just to make sure.
Because it's easy to take things as being right.
Just because others say so.
Or because it's something you do.
And you read it on KB, so it must be correct.

This linky is very good re dropping helmets...and other helmetty stuff...

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. It's just SO full of logic and commonsense, like "we make our helmets to withstand all sorts of shit, so there's no way a small knock is going to do much harm". You'd expect a helmet dude to want people to want people to perpetuate myths that result in helmets being replaced more often than necessary.
Huh. Mebbe he was lying, just to use some reverse logic!

[Genestho]

But, but, surely you're not recommending... personal responsibility...

That ole chestnut??

Thereing lies the issue I had way back when. The person asking the question is of questionable experience --BY that I mean it could be a 12 year old kid with no mechanical knowledge or it could be a mechanical engineer with 30 years trade experience. You just don't know.
I've always maintained there needs to be two seperate "sections" to KB
The playground and the classroom so to speak. --Do what you wan't and basicly say what you want out in the playground. In the classroom its about facts not "myths'

Hmmm, you'll always get a newb that misconstrue fiction as fact, and also, sarcasm is quite often lost. P/T's are lost.
You have how many thousand contributing, with different levels of communication. Maybe KB needs a disclaimer on the front page? (P/T)

[merv]

I'd bath ME in WD40.

Where the hell is my tin of WD40 with its fancy pivoting up squirt tube, I looked for it in the weekend and it seems to be gone. Damn I'm going senile.

[vifferman]

Where the hell is my tin of WD40 with its fancy pivoting up squirt tube, I looked for it in the weekend and it seems to be gone. Damn I'm going senile.

Big Dave has it - he needs quite a few cans for a bath.

Wotchoo want a "pivoting up squirt tube" for anyway? Nasal spray for your senility?

[merv]

Nah it was one of those nice ones that lets you spray out of the nozzle or flip up the tube and do a fine squirt with no need to attach the tube, but I can't remember what I've done with it. No bullshit there just plain facts.

Dave must have dropped in while I was away and stolen it. No facts there, just bullshit.

[Big Dave]

Damn I'm going senile.

That's ridiculous Mervyn. Preposterous. What do you mean 'going'.

[sugilite:Me]

How about some other examples?
One of my 'favourites' is the "hero wannabe racer dude" one that encourages people to totally ignore the manufacturer's recommendations (built up from extensive testing a research) and run their tyres at race-track pressures on the road, for "improved grip and performance, and faster warm-up".
"

Hmmm, that's actually true (if you 'really' do need faster warm up and extra grip), but it also wears your tyres out a LOT faster.

[SARGE]

I'd bath ME in WD40.

... ooo .. and Traction Master Aftershave???

Yeah another myth is that Honda riders are gay

nope .. that one is confirmed..


back to you jamey

[LBD]

The seals in a chain will be resistant to petroleum products like Kerosene.

But unlike WD40 and diesel for that matter, kerosene is dry, penitrates sealed joints washes out any lubricant and evaporates off fully leaves the seal face dry.

It is essential that IF a chain is washed in Kerosene, a spray on lubricant like that in an aerosol can is used luberally. Spray lubricants use a cut back solvent that will penitrate a dry joint like that left after a kero wash.

A second point, is that a little lubricant on the oring seal also helps seal the joint. If that joint is dried out by washing in Kero, there is an increased risk of introducing abrasive particles when the seal/link moves around a sprocket, leading to premature chain wear.

Now you need to decide, do I know what I am talking about or am I bullshitting out a hole in my head?


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