Six of the best - a punishment thread

[SixPackBack]

I still have my cane, it has red taped end I used to tell the boys it was so the blood would not show. It has a name 'whistling rufus' I could walk into a classroom making a swishing sound with it and say "Whistling Rufus is feeling well today boys"

I seldom ever used it and usualy only for breaches of safety rules in the engineering workshop. I would never cane a delinquent boy as it would not help him or me. A short sharp punishment seemed to do no harm to a mentaly healthy lad and got the crime paid for in short order, no time wasting detentions or lines. Sometimes a child would ask for the cane instead of a detention to get it over with. I never complied.

During teacher training I was put to observe a woodwork teacher at Pasadena Intermediate school. When he wanted a class situation to do a demonstration he would say "Form a class last one up gets the strap"
The rush to the front was spectacular to watch but dangerous. I expected to see the kids going over top of the benches.

I never had any trouble with class control I treated each person with respect and got it in return. I was in country schools and knew the Pakeha pupils parents and, most importantly the Maori kids grandmothers, and their blood lines so I could show nesessary respect to the tribal chiefs children. I knew that no Maori would show up a chiefs child so they had to be educated before any of the others would learn anything. Most of the Maori offenders today did not have the benifit of their grandmothers guidance (their parents shifted to work in the city and had no idea of how grandmothers bought up children) nor do they relate to or know about their tribal values.

I seem to be rambling - better get to bed - a Big Bikes ride in Hamilton tomorrow afternoon.

You sound like a psychopath, and for a teacher your spelling and grammar is shocking!

[short-circuit]

I still have my cane, it has red taped end I used to tell the boys it was so the blood would not show. It has a name 'whistling rufus' I could walk into a classroom making a swishing sound with it and say "Whistling Rufus is feeling well today boys"

I seldom ever used it and usualy only for breaches of safety rules in the engineering workshop. I would never cane a delinquent boy as it would not help him or me. A short sharp punishment seemed to do no harm to a mentaly healthy lad and got the crime paid for in short order, no time wasting detentions or lines. Sometimes a child would ask for the cane instead of a detention to get it over with. I never complied.

During teacher training I was put to observe a woodwork teacher at Pasadena Intermediate school. When he wanted a class situation to do a demonstration he would say "Form a class last one up gets the strap"
The rush to the front was spectacular to watch but dangerous. I expected to see the kids going over top of the benches.

I never had any trouble with class control I treated each person with respect and got it in return. I was in country schools and knew the Pakeha pupils parents and, most importantly the Maori kids grandmothers, and their blood lines so I could show nesessary respect to the tribal chiefs children. I knew that no Maori would show up a chiefs child so they had to be educated before any of the others would learn anything. Most of the Maori offenders today did not have the benifit of their grandmothers guidance (their parents shifted to work in the city and had no idea of how grandmothers bought up children) nor do they relate to or know about their tribal values.

I seem to be rambling - better get to bed - a Big Bikes ride in Hamilton tomorrow afternoon.

You got compliance through fear. I agree with SPB - you need help

[smoky]

...for a teacher your spelling and grammar is shocking!

I was having a good laugh at that myself, must not of been paying attention at teacher training college

You sound like a psychopath,

I think he was merely a product of his generation.

Given the shyte about tribes and chiefs I'm guessing he was teaching in the early 1900's - making him just shy of 100 now
Explains why he rides an over sized scooter

[sinfull]

Where the hell do you two get off saying that ?

Give you two a keyboard and your tearing strips off someone for an honest post which clearly stated he used it seldom in his career !

I'd hate to see iether of you given a position of authority, or heaven forbid a cane !!!

I seldom ever used it and usualy only for breaches of safety rules in the engineering workshop.
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You sound like a psychopath, and for a teacher your spelling and grammar is shocking!

You might be able to spell SPB and i'm sure your grammar is perfect all the time, but he wasn't an english teacher now was he !

I never had any trouble with class control I treated each person with respect and got it in return. I was in country schools and knew the Pakeha pupils parents and, most importantly the Maori kids grandmothers, and their blood lines so I could show nesessary respect to the tribal chiefs children. I knew that no Maori would show up a chiefs child so they had to be educated before any of the others would learn anything. Most of the Maori offenders today did not have the benifit of their grandmothers guidance (their parents shifted to work in the city and had no idea of how grandmothers bought up children) nor do they relate to or know about their tribal values..

You got compliance through fear. I agree with SPB - you need help

Short attention span perhaps haha or did you read the whole thing ?

[Goblin]

I agree! If that were true then there was no hope for me raised the way I was. I should by rights be a total thug.

Ditto. At home we were all terrified of the old man and his steel capped boots. My sister and I used to practice clenching and kicking each other for when he came home shitty. We used to plot how we were gonna kill him.

At school the boys got the cane and girls the strap but I was never naughty at school. I remember one little maori boy who was the sweetest kid at primary school. Got himself a job sweeping the local 4 square after school. He wasn't bad, just cheeky, but he used to get caned regularly. He drowned at Okere Falls age 16.

[SixPackBack]

Where the hell do you two get off saying that ?

Give you two a keyboard and your tearing strips off someone for an honest post which clearly stated he used it seldom in his career !

He wouldn't need to, the children would have been shit scared. Question how we would view the situation if he walked into the classroom with a baseball bat, knife or gun. The teacher walks into the classroom with a weapon and bandies about in a threatening manner-even coppers don't do that!

I'd hate to see iether of you given a position of authority, or heaven forbid a cane !!!

I am in a position of authority. Compliance is achieved by superlative communication, a keen understanding of the human psyche and most importantly mutual respect.

You might be able to spell SPB and i'm sure your grammar is perfect all the time, but he wasn't an english teacher now was he !

Communication in this country is via our two official languages, English or Maori. A prerequisite to teaching at any level is a solid grounding in one or both of these 'operating systems'.

Short attention span perhaps haha or did you read the whole thing ?

Given our abysmal record in child abuse in this country archaic attitudes regarding 'control by terror' and beating our children, I would strongly disagree with your stance sinfull.

[smoky]

Where the hell do you two get off saying that ?

Give you two a keyboard and your tearing strips off someone

I'd hate to see iether of you given a position of authority, or heaven forbid a cane !!!

What? For having a laugh at a teacher who writes like that? what's your problem? And I hardly tore strips off him, just said he was a product of his generation??
What are you so sensitive for?
You must of been beaten as a child and now you're over sensitive and aggressive

[Pixie]

You bastards must all be psychopaths with all that violence in your childhood.
How many of you has murdered their kids?

I bet none of you has any self esteem.

[sinfull]

Given our abysmal record in child abuse in this country archaic attitudes regarding 'control by terror' and beating our children, I would strongly disagree with your stance sinfull.

My stance came from you calling this man a psychopath mate ! I mean hardly, haha don't know where you went to school, but i remember many teachers occasionally 'swishing' the cane in class. Never have i thought of those ppl as psychopaths !
Edit: Don't get me wrong here SPB, in no way do i condone child abuse and would be the first to step in if i ever witnessed it !
You are correct when you refer to NZ's dismall record there ! But i do feel that the threat of corporal punnishment in schools saved alot of classroom anarchy in my day !
You only need to look at the post below, to see how i would guage psychotic behaviour !!! Or is that paranoid schizophrenic ?

What? For having a laugh at a teacher who writes like that? what's your problem? And I hardly tore strips off him, just said he was a product of his generation??
What are you so sensitive for?
You must of been beaten as a child and now you're over sensitive and aggressive

You Sir are the aggressor here !! Can i ask where in this thread i quoted you ?
My father hit me with a bare hand once and all through school and college i recieved the strap but once !
But i have received the occasional beating since then and handed out my fair share, but never have i started a fight, so bring it on my bible quoting, gown wearing, choir boys worst nightmare !!!

[smoky]

You only need to look at the post below, to see how i would guage psychotic behaviour !!! Or is that paranoid schizophrenic ?

It was said with sarcasm you dick.

Can i ask where in this thread i quoted you ?

You didn't say who you were quoting .... perhaps that was the problem, when you said "you two" I naturally presumed that last two post prior to your post!!!!

Not being sure who you were referring to, I posted with sarcasm - which obviously went over your head due to the fact you are taking this subject rather seriously and taking some offense to other peoples comments - a sure sign you must of had your self esteem whacked out of you as a kid

sad really what smacking can do to an otherwise normal person, and all you can think about is try to hang onto your right to beat your own kids

[Lias]

I support corporal punishment in schools and in the justice system at large. Sue bradford says why should children get hit when adults dont? I couldnt agree more, but rather than not hitting children my solution is we start hitting adults. I bet we'd see a lot less tagging if it got 100 strokes of the cane :-)

[PrincessBandit]

I support corporal punishment in schools and in the justice system at large. Sue bradford says why should children get hit when adults dont? I couldnt agree more, but rather than not hitting children my solution is we start hitting adults. I bet we'd see a lot less tagging if it got 100 strokes of the cane :-)

That's very very naughty of you to suggest we hit adults! I can see I'm going to have to win the auction on my diamante riding crop and come pay you a visit!!

It would be lovely to think we lived in a society where rules were followed and people behaved nicely out of mutual respect for each other. Realistically though this has not proven to be the case. Survival of the biggest and meanest is the order of the day, even in our schools. Trying to encourage the concept of mutual respect and cooperation is like pissing into the wind. I'm still not giving up on it though.

I'd rather have acceptable behaviour from my students because it was in their nature to understand and exhibit it, but in the face of some of the things I witness at school acceptable behaviour out of fear is an alternative I'd take any day over having to dish out meaningless punishments which achieve nothing.

[Oakie]

We had some interesting caners at WBHS when I was there. A couple (a Fijian and a large Chinese guy) could draw blood. I got the cane once for disturbing the class (deserved it). The guy with me went first and took his. Teacher then lined me up but on the backhand. "Cool" I thought, he's taking it easy on me. Wrong! He was an 'A' grade squash player. Fuc*ing OWWW!
Our French teacher was a renowned caner and on several occasions would cane a whole class for moving noisily past his room. The trick then was to be in the middle group of boys because the first third got it when he was angry and would be struck anywhere between the knees and halfway up the back. By the middle third he had settled down and got a good routine. By the last third though he was tired and once again would be anywhere from the knees to halway up the back again.

[Ixion]

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All I learned from capital punishment was not to get caught - this skill has helped me considerably throughout my life.

This is true. It was a valuable life lesson that serves me well to this day. Always nip away smartish when Authority arrives. Keep in the middle of the pack (saves a few speeding tickets that does). Grovelling works and costs nothing . All good useful lessons.

I had the usual quota of whacks and clips upside the head. It was the norm for the day. I don't think I was abused in any way and have no hangups about it . In every case, except one, I fully expected the punishment. I did whatever I did knowing full well what the consequences would be if caught. Often , I got away with it. Sometimes I didn't. If I didn't I took my punishment straight up. I do still feel resentfull about that one unjustifed thrashing, to this day. It wasn't fair. Perhaps that is the hkey to the matter.

Children have an enormously sensitive understanding of what is 'fair' and 'unfair'. No reasonable punishment will be resented if the child thinks it is fair. Any punishment will be resented (and ineffective), corporal or otherwise, if the child thinks it unfair.

[sinfull]

It was said with sarcasm you dick.


You didn't say who you were quoting .... perhaps that was the problem, when you said "you two" I naturally presumed that last two post prior to your post!!!!

Not being sure who you were referring to, I posted with sarcasm - which obviously went over your head due to the fact you are taking this subject rather seriously and taking some offense to other peoples comments - a sure sign you must of had your self esteem whacked out of you as a kid

sad really what smacking can do to an otherwise normal person, and all you can think about is try to hang onto your right to beat your own kids

Your wrong !!