Tl 1000?

[Insanity_rules]

I had a TL1000s as a loaner when my Duc was getting serviced. All I can say is its madder than a meat helmet. Little bit more torque than the doom bringer missile. I'm a v-twin whore though, just love the instant on of power. I find a nice big v-twin less work on the twistie bits and great fun for wheelies, burnouts and other juvenile stunts (Me? never!).

Downside is that kind of torque requires a little finesse at times but you get used to it. Bit different to using a big 4 in anger.

[Argyle]

I had a TL1000s as a loaner when my Duc was getting serviced. All I can say is its madder than a meat helmet. Little bit more torque than the doom bringer missile. I'm a v-twin whore though, just love the instant on of power. I find a nice big v-twin less work on the twistie bits and great fun for wheelies, burnouts and other juvenile stunts (Me? never!).

Downside is that kind of torque requires a little finesse at times but you get used to it. Bit different to using a big 4 in anger.

Since I've been riding inline fours all the time and been very ANTI v-twin engines I want to try a sporty V-Twin, but i don't want a motorcycle where the RPM ends at 7000RPM. Might need to look into a Mille perhaps? Can't afford a Ducati I'm afraid.

[vifferman]

Since I've been riding inline fours all the time and been very ANTI v-twin engines I want to try a sporty V-Twin, but i don't want a motorcycle where the RPM ends at 7000RPM. Might need to look into a Mille perhaps? Can't afford a Ducati I'm afraid.

How many of them are like that (apart from tractor-engined ones)?
From memory, the VTR's redline was 10.5 (or thereabouts). The thing I liked about the v-twin was the torque wodge (technical term) started at 3k rpm. Makes it very easy to short-shift and just ride the torque. It also makes for a relaxed-feeling ride, as although peak HP is still towards the redline, there's no need to rev it to make deceptively quick progress.
When I got the VFR (torque peak at 8k), I wondered why there was a hole in the power delivery at 3-4k rpm. There wasn't - it just felt like it compared to the VTR.

Funny thing about various engine configurations - the character of pwoer delivery feels quite different. I test-rode a brand-new CBR600 a couple of years ago, on my usual communtering route. It puts out roughly the same power as a VFR800. When I rode over the Harbour Bridge, I thought, "Man! This things sounds SO busy compared to the VFR!"
I was shocked when I looked down at the tacho and saw I was doing Eggs Zachary the same revs as I would've been doing on the VFR! I was sure from the sound of it that I would've seen a few thousand more.

[Elysium]

Aprilia Mille are great fun bikes, though disadvantage was cost of parts I understand? Though that could be for all Aprilia bikes ,as like Ducati's, they could be expensive to service.

Here's a good one that have done bugger all K's
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-175636729.htm

[Boob Johnson]

Since I've been riding inline fours all the time and been very ANTI v-twin engines I want to try a sporty V-Twin, but i don't want a motorcycle where the RPM ends at 7000RPM. Might need to look into a Mille perhaps? Can't afford a Ducati I'm afraid.

The TLS still pulls hard at high revs. Neither of the TL's end at mid range rev's. The R actually has two injectors per cylinder, the 2nd injector comes in for the 2nd half of the rev range so helps eliminate any lag or drop in torque.

[Sensei]

Aprilia Mille are great fun bikes, though disadvantage was cost of parts I understand? Though that could be for all Aprilia bikes ,as like Ducati's, they could be expensive to service.

Here's a good one that have done bugger all K's
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-175636729.htm

That is an 2002 Model not 04 very different bikes , The only dear thing about Aprilias is if you crash them . Done 50k on mine now & checked the shims for the first time at 40k from new & still Factory spec . Oil & filter / tyres > RIDE !

[Elysium]

That is an 2002 Model not 04 very different bikes , The only dear thing about Aprilias is if you crash them . Done 50k on mine now & checked the shims for the first time at 40k from new & still Factory spec . Oil & filter / tyres > RIDE !

Oh ok. Just when I was looking for my next bike I was told it's common to find used Mille's on Trademe because they are due for servicing or parts replacements and it is costly to do so.

But still that Mille at City Honda is nice.

[clauds]

I have heard good things about them???

[Argyle]

I have heard good things about them???

Yep, allot of people seem to like them.

[DEATH_INC.]

The RSV is a bloody good bike. They handle pretty well for an older model and make plenty of power in the higher rpm range.
The TL's' is a bit like the gixxer of the same era, a hooligan bike. They're heaps of fun if you're not worried about getting from a to b as fast as possible. You'll giggle like a schoolgirl every time you get on it.
Neither of them will come close to a late model thou in either power or handling, but on the road who cares?

[bryce]

i test rode a vtr looking to buy,they had a tls so tryed it for fun .loved it .so looking at a new bike tried an sv ,i now have a tls in the shed ,ended up with the 2000s and the 98r ,the r heaps of fun and handled will at hi speed not so great at legel speeds ,the s works will at most even legel speed ,the vtr was more fun than thr sv .was more ballaned ,easy to wheel stand, the tls r fell long in the front but you get over that quik,the tl r not so got to wheel stand as there a rush of power in the midde ranger that will put u on your ass ,same times feel it in corners ,almost put it down to a flat spot ,it had been a race bike ,the butter fly etc had been taken out of the air box etc etc ,it may have been runnig len .

[lankyman]

TL1000S ..... for me, one of the few bikes out there with soul ...

Definatly!!....I am immensly enjoying mine. Like has already been said, TL's are not so much about peak power, there is just so much grunt everywhere in the rev range. Will leave a little to be desired in the handling department though after riding a K6.

["D" FZ1]

If you want a V Twin....

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-234419322.htm

["D" FZ1]

A Real Torque Monster....

[R-Soul]

Since I've been riding inline fours all the time and been very ANTI v-twin engines I want to try a sporty V-Twin, but i don't want a motorcycle where the RPM ends at 7000RPM. Might need to look into a Mille perhaps? Can't afford a Ducati I'm afraid.

The Firestorm has decent handling and weight, and great (ridiculous) torque. The only people that you will find criticising them are people that have never owned them. Find me one ex-'Sorm owner that does not like and respect them...
They rev to 10 - Dukes just a bit past at about 12. They are also real smooth at high revs. With aftermarket pipes they sound awesome - easily as nice as the TL. They have better build quality and handling than TL (without mods) although front forks a bit soft. And are cheap to service (unlike Duc's).

They dont have the power (i.e. at high rev's) of the TL - but then you dont use this most of the time on the road anyway - its all about torque and how quicly you can get to the sped limit (not what limit you can get to). The torque is downright frightening and it takes brave man to open that thing up full in first, second or third. Pure grin factor. An experienced rider will stay with anyone on the twisties, and an inexperienced rider will ride above himself on a Firestorm.

Riding V's on the twisties is pure fun. You only need second and third all day. You also get used to using the engine braking in lining the bike up for a corner. You dont use much brakes at all. You use the torque and throttle to change your corner line because the throttle response is awesome. Then you can focus on finding th perfect balance of bike and man for that corner. A Zen-like experience.

You also explode out of every corner (because you can!!).


And you can pick a decent one up for about 7k on Trademe. Vaue for money - unbeatable!

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