ACC - How to get the nation's motorbike bill down

[javawocky]

what a verbose thread

Anyway - how much money would be saved if bikes were permitted to travel down the bus lain instead of running the gauntlet through dorkland traffic?

If this has been asked before, sorry

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I think a decent number would go along, and it would make a difference, i'd go at least. But the people who go would probably already be safety consious, and a little less likely to have an off while riding in the first place.

I would... and have happily been riding non stop for 25 years, and I am sure there is more to learn and a good refresher... free is good.

means I can drink more beer before the ride home

[grbaker]

Actually I like that idea of simulators! That would be a lot of fun to learn on.

Dude, kids sitting in the back of the wifes car going "broom, broom" are in simulators... they are doing what is required to learn to ride a motorbike... imagine and think.

Next step in the 'simulation' was a grass padock and a small bike with the instructions 'ride this until you learn how not to crash it'.

btw the bit "In the Safer Journeys document I think it said motorcycle riders were 18 times more likely to have an accident than a cage driver." sounds bollocks, like they only count 'certain' accidents... I may see 4 car dings on the motorway a week and no motorbike crash not .. umm.. (4*18=4*10+4*8=umm=40+24=64) ..64... I would notice 64.

[p.dath]

...btw the bit "In the Safer Journeys document I think it said motorcycle riders were 18 times more likely to have an accident than a cage driver." sounds bollocks, like they only count 'certain' accidents... I may see 4 car dings on the motorway a week and no motorbike crash not .. umm.. (4*18=4*10+4*8=umm=40+24=64) ..64... I would notice 64.

My personal guess is that it is pro-rated to the number of riders as compared to drivers.
You'd have to look at the raw accidents numbers to check. I thikn most of the numbers were exposed in the document.

[Hitcher]

pps. Should we also legalise murder, but provide education courses to teach people it is wrong? And just what are we going to do about those people who just keep murdering others - even though they know it is wrong?

Or is murder somehow wrong, but not wearing safety gear is okay? And what are we going to do about those riders who hurt themselves (and our pockets) by not wearing gear - even though they know they really should have been wearing gear?

Are you serious or just pretending to be a twat for the purposes of provoking sensitive souls like me?

[SixPackBack]

Are you serious or just pretending to be a twat for the purposes of provoking sensitive souls like me?

Nope. Self serving twat covers it.

[MarkH]

A better example would be RRRS, although it costs $50 for the day.

I voluntarily handed over the $50 and was glad of what I learnt and the stuff it got me to think about while riding. I think this sort of course should be encouraged and even offer a reduction in minimum period of learners/restricted for the people that do this sort of course - it is way more useful than the defensive driving course.

[jetboy]

I bet if we had voluntary education/training most people wouldn't go.

ProRider
Ride Right Ride Safe
BRONZ
...the list goes on


On the topic of the thread though, I was suprised to note (through the licensing system) that helmets are the only legal item of gear required when operating a motorcycle.
I don't necessarily think a law change is required, but when I binned it (twice now) the gear I was wearing saved me from some serious injury. I'd go as far as saying that if I wasn't wearing decent pants with armoured knee protectors in one of my crashes I'd have a seriously busted left leg...possibly useless below the knee.

Plus, there must be a reason for all those ATGATT threads!

[scracha]

now) the gear I was wearing saved me from some serious injury. I'd go as far as saying that if I wasn't wearing decent pants with armoured knee protectors in one of my crashes I'd have a seriously busted left leg...possibly useless below the knee.

So if you wear decent gear, you get dumb hillbilly bubba bikers coming up to you in pubs saying shit like "bro, you planning on crashing or something"?

"no buddy, but I didn't plan on the last arsehole pulling out in front of me either"

[jetboy]

So if you wear decent gear, you get dumb hillbilly bubba bikers coming up to you in pubs saying shit like "bro, you planning on crashing or something"?

"no buddy, but I didn't plan on the last arsehole pulling out in front of me either"

I'm not sure I follow you...
...but I simply ment that although I don't necessarily believe a law change is required I think that ATGATT is a pretty good motto to stand by, especially now that I have experienced a crash.

[Morcs]

Im sick of paying my ACC levies so unlicensed, untrained dirt riders can go wrap themselves around tree trunks.

License dirt bike riders and make em pay rego.
Give them rego plates too, may reduce them getting stolen...

[TuonoTom]

I agree with p.dath here, it should be illegal to ride in anything less than an Alpinestars two piece suit, none of this 1 tonne rubbish.