86km in a 100km zone = speeding ticket?

[kunoichi]

Well i am aren't I!? I'm paying the bloody ticket! This thread has developed beyond my ticket into a discussion of the actual law! No need to bloody well yell at me about being irrisponsible if i'm paying the bloody ticket!

[kunoichi]

Oh and perhaps I could get some opinions about the licensing system in NZ. I explained it in my last post. Frosty, i'v been reading your posts from when i first joined KB and have high regards for your opinion. But like i said, this thread has gone beyond my ticket into a discussion of the actual law and now i'm bringing in the licencing system into it. I know u said that u think the core issue is the misinterpretation of what the L plate means, I find it hard to believe that even cagers don't know what the L plate means, but i'm starting to think the flaw might be in the licensing system itself, where there is inadequate training for both cagers and motorcyclists and yes, definatly scooters. Its more of 'ok u know the rules, now go and practice, hope u dont' get killed doing it!'

[MSTRS:Me]

I think there is a basic breakdown in perception of what a Learner licence is for.
I really feel this is at the very CORE of the disagreement here and elsewhere.
Those that are argueing that 70km/h is unsafe I think believe that a L licence is a licence to RIDE.
I agree 100% that if that is the intent of a L licence then 70km/h is rediculous.
However if it is as I believe it is a licence to LEARN to ride then its very cleverly phrased.

It is a licence to ride. With certain provisions, in deference to the undeveloped abilities of the licence holder.
The provisions are
1. Must display an L
2. Must not carry a pillion
3. Must not ride larger than 250cc
4. Must not ride between 10pm and 5am
5. Must not exceed 70kph

I agree with the display, size and pillion ones, am ambivalent about the hours one, but less so about the speed one.

[MSTRS:Me]

...the flaw might be in the licensing system itself, where there is inadequate training for both cagers and motorcyclists and yes, definatly scooters. Its more of 'ok u know the rules, now go and practice, hope u dont' get killed doing it!'

There is plenty of training available for car drivers. But it can be expensive, and is not mandatory.
There is NOT much available for motorcycles, even in the large centres. This is why KB can be a godsend to beginners.
The fact that anyone with car licence can ride a low-powered scooter is wrong tho. Afterall, barring the potential speed, what is the difference (for the rider) between a scooter and a full motorcycle? In terms of the machine's abilities and rider vulnerability?

[steve_t]

It is a licence to ride. With certain provisions, in deference to the undeveloped abilities of the licence holder.
The provisions are
1. Must display an L
2. Must not carry a pillion
3. Must not ride larger than 250cc
4. Must not ride between 10pm and 5am
5. Must not exceed 70kph

I agree with the display, size and pillion ones, am ambivalent about the hours one, but less so about the speed one.

I was always wondering about the hours one too. I'd think that between 10pm-5am, there'd be less traffic around and thus be a bit safer. Or are they worried that L plate riders will go into Cul-de-sacs with bottles of diesel in the wee hours?

[marty]

Well i am aren't I!? I'm paying the bloody ticket! This thread has developed beyond my ticket into a discussion of the actual law! No need to bloody well yell at me about being irrisponsible if i'm paying the bloody ticket!

2 questions.

1.have you actually received the ticket yet?
2. how long have you been on a learner licence? when can you get a restricted?

well that's actually 3, fill ya boots though

[kunoichi]

no i haven't actually. Said it would take between 3-5 working days to get to me, so i'll give it till friday.

I got a pm from someone saying that through out the fines he did get, the two where they said they would mail the ticket, he never actually recieved. I'm hoping it'll b the same for me. I'm booking in for my restricted this week. Instead of giving me a warning so i would slow down, i'm going to go ahead and make it legal for me to speed up!! LOL! talk about backfire!

[MSTRS:Me]

I was always wondering about the hours one too. I'd think that between 10pm-5am, there'd be less traffic around and thus be a bit safer.

I think it is because (generally) people are not nocturnal, and be 10pm most people are getting tired. Couple that with under-developed skills. No prizes there. The problem I have with it is that everyone is not the same, and there are plenty of people that work some sort of night shift, which makes that time restriction very onerous.

1.have you actually received the ticket yet?

Wondering that myself. And repeat advice to do nothing unless etc.

[MarkH]

I'm booking in for my restricted this week. Instead of giving me a warning so i would slow down, i'm going to go ahead and make it legal for me to speed up!! LOL! talk about backfire!

That is the most sensible action you could take
Good luck on the restricted!

[marty]

no i haven't actually. Said it would take between 3-5 working days to get to me, so i'll give it till friday.

I got a pm from someone saying that through out the fines he did get, the two where they said they would mail the ticket, he never actually recieved. I'm hoping it'll b the same for me. I'm booking in for my restricted this week. Instead of giving me a warning so i would slow down, i'm going to go ahead and make it legal for me to speed up!! LOL! talk about backfire!

right. so if you DO get the ticket, then write in saying 'i have been unable to free up time/couldn't be fucked/get my hair dry (delete as appropriate) to book in for my 6R, however this experience has encouraged me to do so - I have been entitled to sit my 6R for (however long) and I have learned a good lesson that I will pass on to my peers. Please consider withdrawing the breach ticket on these grounds.

[h211]

Bad luck. Was in the same situation today heading to do my restricted test but didnt get pulled over, thankfully. Appeal it, im sure someone will see the sense...

[kunoichi]

Hm, i don't really think it'll work too well, point was that i was breeching the license i was on. But i'll give it a go. Cheers

[Owl]

I think there is a basic breakdown in perception of what a Learner licence is for.
I really feel this is at the very CORE of the disagreement here and elsewhere.
Those that are argueing that 70km/h is unsafe I think believe that a L licence is a licence to RIDE.
I agree 100% that if that is the intent of a L licence then 70km/h is rediculous.
However if it is as I believe it is a licence to LEARN to ride then its very cleverly phrased.
If an L plate rider is FORCED to abide 100% by the 70km/h restriction then they must restrict their rideing to places and TIMES that are safe (as safe as biking ever is) to do so.

Bollocks!

My partner recently sat her restricted and was told to ignore the 70kph rule by the testing officer and ride at 100kph . The road code tells you that you'll be tested on the open road for your restricted.

Are you suggesting that the first time a learner rides at 100kph, it should be done during their restricted test?

Real good law!

[FROSTY:Me]

Actually I'd like to start a new thread about the licencing laws.

[MSTRS:Me]

Hm, i don't really think it'll work too well, point was that i was breeching the license i was on. But i'll give it a go. Cheers

In the event that you are issued a ticket, you should write in. As with any breach, there may be extenuating circumstances that the issuing officer doesn't care about, but the reviewing officer may. If you have already sat and passed your 6R in the meantime, then that is a point in your favour. If nothing else, it allows you a little extra time to save the pingers.