Learner conditions - discussion and poll

**FROSTY:Me** · 9th September 2009, 10:07

Something to concider VERY carefully here folks.
To be thought through from begining to end not just in relation to your own personal wants here and now.
We are a minority group and not one with a lot of political clout.
evidence of this is just how effective the cheescutter campaighn has been (apologies to all those involved)
We are also a group that statistically cost the country a lot in the health sector.
My arguement is that given how little poiitical clout we have and how those with clout are on the whole ANTI motorcycles or at best neutral towards us Then any changes to the law will be most likely MORE rather than less restrictive.
It can't happen you say? Think about the "anti smacking " law.
Not in this discussion taking ANY stand on this subject however it was a decision made by politicians and with 78% of the voting population against it. that law has been in place for 2 years (sorry not sure of exact time) now.
Do you see a refferendum being held to change the lbike licencing laws back?
Quite honestly if I was a non riding politician Id be influenced more by those whose opinions I have faith in(minister of heaalth) or I'd be voting in a way that gave me something to trade off with.
I feel that if the spotlight was put on bikes carte blanc changes would occur to the licencing system and they would be conciderably more restrictive.
1)ALL two wheeled petrol driven vehicles must pass compliance and must carry a current WOF.
Effect--no more cheap scooters and most likely an increase in rego (acc costs on them)
2)due to the high accident rate amongst riders in their first 12 months or riding all L plate riders restricted to bikes of 125cc or less (in britain its 125cc so a good chance of us following them) and less than 20hp
-look at overseas restrictions before saying it can't happen.
3) all L plate riders restricted to 50km/h at all times.
--Think about it --a catchcry amoungs the people-"speed kills" so reduce the speed reduce the accidents.
4)restricted licence holders restricted to 70km/h
refer above for the logic behind this

So I argue we keep our collective mouths shut and hope we continue to fly below the political radar.

**MSTRS:Me** · 9th September 2009, 10:19

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Something to concider VERY carefully here folks.
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So I argue we keep our collective mouths shut and hope we continue to fly below the political radar.

Oh, I think we are most definitely ON that radar. Proposals to adopt the Oz system are in the works as part of a general revamp of the Transport Act. Some of us were lead to believe that these proposals would be before the house prior to the election. Didn't happen. But it will. Just think if we could get Allan Kirk behind us...for a change

**Milts** · 9th September 2009, 14:53

What about having different conditions depending on other licenses you have? For example, I have had my full cage license for two years, been driving for 5, and think it would be perfectly reasonable for me to drive on the motorway at 100ks and after 10 pm/before 5 am. However, if I were 15 and had just got my bike license and had no other road experience, these conditions suddenly seem more reasonable to me.

IMO it's actually a pretty damn complicated issue. Maybe we should just have a bunch of (very strict) tests which people can sit any time, and their performance determines their conditions?