Learner conditions - discussion and poll

**MSTRS:Me** · 8th September 2009, 18:08

The proposed changes don't seem to be going to happen anytime soon, but eventually something will have to be done. Hopefully there will be a chance for public submissions and maybe this thread/poll could prove useful. I've made the poll multi choice and suggested some alternatives to the current conditions attached to the learner licence. I'm not interested in the 'restricted' stage for this purpose.

**Danae** · 8th September 2009, 18:18

So far what we have is pretty reasonable, however I find 70k a bit rude. At least biff that up to 80k, i know that several motorists travel at this speed on the motorway. they don't get hassled, just overtaken.

There are ways to get around the city and to avoid the motorway, if you get caught doing over 70k cos you took the motorway then it's entirely your problem.

This morning I took the motorway and hung behind a small truck that was doing 70-80k. It was so cruisy and nice. Doing 70k only really gets dodge when you're around spaghetti junction and multiple on/off ramps. Cages will do stupid things to overtake you to get to the offramps, or use the "exit only" lane to get around you.

All the other conditions are fine, I'm pretty sure learners shouldn't jump straight onto a bike that's more than 250cc, and it's pretty easy to avoid riding after 10pm.

**Jonno.** · 8th September 2009, 18:20

I agree 80-90 is a better idea.

**SMOKEU** · 8th September 2009, 18:21

How is it fair that someone on a 1L can legally drive a WRX STI but someone on a 6L can't legally ride anything bigger than a 250cc?

**Hitcher** · 8th September 2009, 18:21

The curfew rule has amused me. It's intent is to stop young people going out at night an hooning around. I can see no other purpose for it. The night doesn't get any darker (apart from mid summer in Southland) after 10:30 at night and, with less traffic around, it should be safer to ride during that period than at other times.

When I am King, caravans and campervans will only be allowed out between 11:00pm and 5:00am. Seriously.

**hospitalfood** · 8th September 2009, 18:21

i voted no pillions, no speed restriction, yes L plate, yes hp limit.
any more seems to nanna but im open to discusion

**Danae** · 8th September 2009, 18:24

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

How is it fair that someone on a 1L can legally drive a WRX STI but someone on a 6L can't legally ride anything bigger than a 250cc?

That's true but how many youtube vids are there of noobs getting on large capacity bikes, spinning up the back wheel, dropping, crashing and/or highsiding because they couldn't handle the power? Apply too much acceleration in a car and you don't exactly fall over.

Originally Posted by Hitcher

...with less traffic around, it should be safer to ride during that period than at other times.

This is true, I've pillioned in the early hours and it is much nicer.

**hospitalfood** · 8th September 2009, 18:24

here's a thought, can we make all learners prospects ? have them make full licence riders cups of tea etc.............

**Jonno.** · 8th September 2009, 18:30

Originally Posted by Hitcher

The curfew rule has amused me. It's intent is to stop young people going out at night an hooning around. I can see no other purpose for it. The night doesn't get any darker (apart from mid summer in Southland) after 10:30 at night and, with less traffic around, it should be safer to ride during that period than at other times.

When I am King, caravans and campervans will only be allowed out between 11:00pm and 5:00am. Seriously.

It's to do with people being tired.

**Ooky** · 8th September 2009, 18:30

no restrictions but have to wear one of these bear attack proof suits

**sunhuntin** · 8th September 2009, 18:40

i voted for wearing the L, no pillions and HP restrictions.
the rest should all be scrapped. i dont see how one is meant to prepare for the restricted test, which involves open road riding, when the 70k rule is meant to keep people off open roads.

**Jonno.** · 8th September 2009, 18:43

Testers realise this.

**ManDownUnder** · 8th September 2009, 18:44

Display the "L" so others are aware you're new on the contraption and give consideration as required.
No Pillions - putting yourself in denager is enough while learning
HP restriction - them big bikes'll kill ya in an "OH SHIT" heartbeat

**Danae** · 8th September 2009, 18:45

Open road riding in the restricted test: Just a bit of motorway, isn't it? And in the road code i believe it says the 70kph restriction is ignored in the restricted test

**FROSTY:Me** · 8th September 2009, 19:23

Heres the perfect world according to old fart FROSTY.
1) at age 14 a person can get a scooter licence for a sub 3hp scooter
2) at age 16 a person can get a Learner licence to ride a sub 35hp motorcycle with no capacity limit.
3)For a MINIMUM period of 3 months riders to be restricted to travelling at 70km/h. and must ride at times and places appropriate for that speed.The rider must at all times display a yellow L plate. No pillions.
4) End of 3 months a person can be competancy tested and if they pass the test are then able to ride at up to 100km/h on a cycle of up to 35hp must display at all times a blue R plate and cannot carry passengers.
5) open test --end of 6 months rider must sit a compentancy test if the pass can ride any cycle.
6)Any rider riding outside of their licence requirements is instantly dropped one licence level.
7) a car learners licence holder under 25 is restricted to cars of 1598cc or less carurated or fuel injected. NON turbo charged. OR turbo charged petrol of 1000cc or smaller. OR diesel vehicles of 2.2l or less. They must at ALL times be accompanied by a front seat passenger with a full licence.
8) On demostating driving skills they may get a restricted licence with the same capacity limit.

For car drivers the capacity limit is the ONLY way to regulate as there are just too many models on the market