Not too sure he can?Originally Posted by rosie631
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Not too sure he can?
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The instructions are simple...
Of course it will. Learning to deal with all the booby traps is a skill in itself. Develop it, or die.
Define 'limits'.
Realistically, on the road is where most of us ride. Therefore, on the road is where will find our personal limit. Me, for instance, I try to be smooth and consistent at the speed limit for that road*. Boring, some would say. For others still, that sort of pace would be way scary. It's all relative to each rider's personal limit/comfort level. Oh, and what sort of road too.
* I'm talking any 100kph road. The numbered highways are boring and there's nothing clever about speeding on them. However, on a minor, sealed but twisty, country road and suddenly 100kph without varying can become quite exciting. Of course, sometimes...Beyond did mention that...
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
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Should car drivers be encouraged to test their limits on twisty country public roads?
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Who's encouraging that here? Shit slinging aside the OP has put it across as if you not you should.
Your runaway assumption is now creating intention that doesn't exist.
You can argue that the very mention of high-speed or high-speed maneuvering techniques is promotion enough but still its obvious that no one is intentionally encouraging speed here.
You can't save the fallen, direct the lost or motivate the lazy.
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Beyond makes no secret of the fact that he encourages motorcyclists to test their limits. I'm asking whether car drivers should be encouraged to do the same on twisty country public roads.
Or is it only motorcyclists that are special enough to be allowed that right?
Should be out riding
I don't think anyone should be encouraged to do anything beyond the law, that being said i don't think people should be discouraged from having a good time. Its awfully subjective, and thus a very hard discussion.
For example i pushed the limits on my GN250 doing 65 in an 80 zone, had only been riding for 5 days at the time and it was horrendously dangerous. However a few months ago i blazed through a set of corners on the coro-loop at a speed that felt safe with full visibility of the corners ahead, endangering no-one (apart from myself) and still miles within my limits.
The fact remains that people will push the limits and some are idiots, cars or motorbikes.
I don't see this thread as a promotion of stupidity, rather mentioning some things you might encounter if/when you do go a little too far. I've had headshake at quite reasonable speeds, created completely by my own inexperience.
You can't save the fallen, direct the lost or motivate the lazy.
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What...by riding like a cock on dangerous roads? At least advise people to only push it a little on roads with escape routes, corners you can see through and decent soft grassy run-offs. On a motorcycle, when you're "improving your skillz" by going that extra 5kmph around that corner you always feel like you can go faster through, when it all turns to $hit then you don't get a second chance. If you're luckly you'll have a bashed up bike and a bashed up body. Sadly, there's there's a likelyhood that you won't get a second chance as you'll end up paralysed or dead. That's the point you guys seem to miss.
Ride in on the road for a long enough period of time and you'll develop the "booby trap" handling skills you mention (and better still, you'll develop booby trap anticipation skills) without riding like an arsehole as there are enough idiots pulling out of driveways, cow shit, diesel etc to keep anybody on two wheels busy.
'limits' : - on a motorcycle it's where you go beyond your abilities and fall off.
Anyone regularly pushing more than about 70% of their "limit" on the road is gonna make a mistake or hit a "booby trap" and suffer serious injury. Just ask the guy who started this thread.
For a supposed mentor, I find some of the advice you give frankly.....bollox. No offence like
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I don't see this thread as anything other than Beyond laying down a 'Get out of Jail Free' card.
On one hand he is happy to encourage motorcyclists to push their boundries (on public roads) but on the other hand if things turn to shit he has this thread to fall back on and say "Well, I did try to warn you".
Should be out riding
there's obviously allot more going on here than whats mentioned in the tread.
Ah well, have fun! i am quite happy to take the simple suggestions on board, though its not overly likely i will need to use them because i am almost never beyond 70%.
cheerz
You can't save the fallen, direct the lost or motivate the lazy.
The instructions are simple...
Just what has that to do with me doing the ALLOWED speed limit on a public road. I failed to add that I do it ON MY SIDE, as well. I'm well aware that an opposing vehicle may cross the centreline. Where is that NOT a possiblility? I practice the art of late apexing to mitigate potential surprises, and I'm not so stupid as to think that I needn't slow down if a corner looks too tight for me at the speed I've chosen to ride at.
I believe Beyond mentioned something about what to expect when one pushes past what is comfortable/safe? We've all done it at some stage, usually when we were new/ish to riding. Some of us even survived. And few of us 'oldies' had the benefit of the collective wisdom on this website to help us survive. Posters' attempts to impart (painfully learned?) wisdom should be encouraged.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
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Car drivers on country roads don't drive because they enjoy it, they drive because they have to (they are going from a to b) and it is easy.
Motorcyclists on the other hand enjoy the skill and the challenge involved with riding. In order to hone this skill you do what you do with any other skill: practise. As you continue riding, your "limit" increases and you continue to ride smoother and faster, even when you are consistently riding 60-70%.
Beyond here is letting us know what happens when you decide to ride at say 75-80%. My 80% is probably not even very fast, but it is all to do with technical ability and experience. If I decided to push 80% one day to give myself a challenge, I probably wouldn't experience any of the speed related issues beyond has mentioned, but I would feel the adrenaline as much as any of you pushing 80% would feel.
In the end it is all up to personal choice. Do any of you want to ride at 80%? It is not your limit, but it leaves a smaller space for error. I don't think anyone is foolish enough to ride at 100% on public roads.
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I go for the odd pleasure drive. Why is driving a car easier? I find the bike easier as that's what I started on.
Some bikers regularly commute. Some are not that interested in challeging themselves, they just want to get from A to B in an enjoyable fashion.
I don't think anyone who goes out on public roads and regularly lands on their arse should be giving advice.
Go around the Coro loop any sunny weekend and you'll see plenty riders riding at around 100% and quite a few bashed up bikes as evidence they've went above 100%
Loving life in the Bay
As your experience increases you should become increasingly limited by public roads - ie. needing to adjust your speed and line more regularly for hazards. If this is not that case then either you ride like a nana (not altogether bad) or you are riding oblivious to those hazards.
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where did you pull that one out from?
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did I say you? I'm talking about the thread starter
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